For The 9999th Time, OSAS (Albeit Testimony Time)

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For The 9999th Time, OSAS (Albeit Testimony Time)
^ OP

For less than 9999 times...lol

Yes, The Lord has Offered Salvation to all men's Souls.

Yes, The Lords Offering to Save their Soul, is theirs to Receive.

Yes, if a man chooses to not receive The Lords Offering, and they Bodily Die, they have Lost the Salvation of their Soul, that was theirs to receive.

"Once" a man's Soul "IS" Saved it is forever.

Glory to God,
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Disagree.

Hearing the Word of God...
IS: being Enlightened.
Men ARE Blessed...
FOR: Hearing the Word of God...

There IS a time for all things.
A person Never having Heard the Word of God...doesn't sit in a church, hear a select one hour Sermon the Pastor has selected...jump up and Vow a Commitment of Heartful Belief.

Do you not recognize A Commitment to the Lord IS from the Heart and Forever?

Who makes a Life long Commitment to something they know nothing about?

The Disciples followed Jesus around Daily for long hours, for Three years, Hearing...and BTW, questioning, doubting, denying...during their "Learning" period.

None of them met Jesus, and within a week of Hearing the Word of God...made a Vow of Commitment to Him.

Yet...every day as they heard...
They were being Enlightened!
They were TASTING the Blessings of the Holy Spirit...who IS Light.

They are our Examples:
Three Years, Long hours of Hearing...
Before they WERE Prepared to Make A Forever and Assured Heartful and Lifeling Commitment to the Lord.

And not to forget Judas...
He heard, he TASTED The Enlightenment of The Lords Word. He was Blessed by the Holy Spirit....BUT he stopped Listening to the Word of God...and instead Listened to the Temptation of $$$...and Allowed His Carnal Mind to consider and agree to the Tempting Offer of $$$.
He was Not Saved...He fell from Faith.

And BTW- the Blessing a man being Enlightened receives...IS measures of Faith.

The Bible makes it Clear...TASTING Enlightenment...is "Learning About" the Lord, being Prepared to Commit to Him...
Not "making a commitment".

Ponder...

Glory to God,
Taken
Great post..also as another support of not actually being saved 'yet' in Hebrews Chapter 10...it is another appeal by Paul to his descendents and kin to continue their faith they had under the Law of Moses and now as they gained epignosis of Christ to BECOME saved and not fall away as many Hebrews/Jews did during that time..many even stayed practicing the old ways, of the Law....

This was Paul's main message to his countrymen... when the call to believe in Christ is given by the Holy Spirit as epignosis, to accept Christ in faith and live, and thus be saved...do not discard it and fall away and die...

Bless you,

APAK
 
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You did once you decided to embrace paganism and Satan. No one is a Christian who denies Christ is fully God and Fully Man, if you deny that you are not a Christian at all.

I must really disagree... that is if anyone's ultimate salvation is dependent on them be a "Christian". I believe that there are people on this forum who in spite of disagreeing with one another on various things including this one, lead lives carefully striving to always be committed and obedient to God. God does not expect us to be theologians at the top of the class in knowledge. He expects us to be surrendered fully to Him and to be in love with Him. What matters to God? Go very slow about dictating what matters most to Him.

Even if your description of what or who Jesus is were correct, believing that in faith should hardly be on a par with the two greatest commandments according to Jesus in scripture. It is also not your place or mine to decide who is or is not working right and believing right in God.

"Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:36-40



 
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I must really disagree... that is if anyone's ultimate salvation is dependent on them be a "Christian". I believe that there are people on this forum who in spite of disagreeing with one another on various things including this one, lead lives carefully striving to always be committed and obedient to God. God does not expect us to be theologians at the top of the class in knowledge. He expects us to be surrendered fully to Him and to be in love with Him. What matters to God? Go very slow about dictating what matters most to Him.

Even if your description of what or who Jesus is were correct, believing that in faith should hardly be on a par with the two greatest commandments according to Jesus in scripture. It is also not your place or mine to decide who is or is not working right and believing right in God.

"Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:36-40


Are you saying a person can deny the Deity of Christ and be saved ?

Are you saying a person can deny Jesus was/is a real man can be saved ?

Are you saying a person can deny both of the above and be saved ?
 

amadeus

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Are you saying a person can deny the Deity of Christ and be saved ?
No, actually I am saying it is not my job, and I would be surprised to find that it was yours, to decide finally the basis for another person's salvation.

Are you saying a person can deny Jesus was/is a real man can be saved ?
Your question scarcely computes. What is a "real" man? Do you mean was he born with the same qualities and parts as you or me? Who has denied that? Not me?
Are you saying a person can deny both of the above and be saved ?
 
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No, actually I am saying it is not my job, and I would be surprised to find that it was yours, to decide finally the basis for another person's salvation.


Your question scarcely computes. What is a "real" man? Do you mean was he born with the same qualities and parts as you or me? Who has denied that? Not me?
Jesus said " unless you believe I AM you will die in your sins " ( John 8:24)
 

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Jesus said " unless you believe I AM you will die in your sins " ( John 8:24)
How do you know what another person believes without a personal revelation from God about the person?

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written..." Rom 3:4
 

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How do you know what another person believes without a personal revelation from God about the person?

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written..." Rom 3:4
I quoted Jesus and He declared a person must believe He is YHWH( I AM) to be saved and not die in your sins.

So did Paul in Romans 10. One must confess Jesus is YHWH ( LORD) to be saved.

end of discussion.
 

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I quoted Jesus and He declared a person must believe He is YHWH( I AM) to be saved and not die in your sins.

So did Paul in Romans 10. One must confess Jesus is YHWH ( LORD) to be saved.

end of discussion.
Yes sir!
 

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I quoted Jesus and He declared a person must believe He is YHWH( I AM) to be saved and not die in your sins.

So did Paul in Romans 10. One must confess Jesus is YHWH ( LORD) to be saved.

end of discussion.
He never said we must believe He is God, you added that. I Am means HE exists, I Am too but i am not God are you??
 

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He never said we must believe He is God, you added that. I Am means HE exists, I Am too but i am not God are you??




Joel 2:32
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"And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;

For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Here we see Paul quote this OT passage about YHWH and apply it to Jesus who is the one and only Lord according to the N.T.

Rom 10:9-13
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that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


So a person must confess Jesus is YHWH(Lord) to be saved. Confess means to agree with so the person confessing Jesus is Lord is in agreement that He is YHWH. Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord ( YHWH) will be saved.

Scripture TRUMPS opinions.

hope this helps !!!
 

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Who raised JEsus from the dead, does it say God raised Himself from the dead, are you so blind.
I believe Jesus to bad you don't.

Maybe you should put on your reading glasses for this passage.

John 2:19-22
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”

21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

hope this helps !!!
 

mjrhealth

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I believe Jesus to bad you don't.
You mean like this bit

Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

You just read teh bible and think you got it.