For The 9999th Time, OSAS (Albeit Testimony Time)

mjrhealth said:

You mean like this bit

Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

You just read teh bible and think you got it.

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you are pretty good at dodge ball.

Jesus raised Himself from the dead unless you want to go on record and call Jesus a liar. Is that your position ?


John 2:19-22
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

hope this helps !!!

Christophany said:

you are pretty good at dodge ball.

Jesus raised Himself from the dead unless you want to go on record and call Jesus a liar. Is that your position ?


John 2:19-22
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

hope this helps !!!

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The bible does not say that you made it up again.

mjrhealth said:

The bible does not say that you made it up again.

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You cannot be serious I quoted Jesus in John 2:19 saying He would raise His temple(body) in 3 days.

Someone is blind and its not I...............................................

Truther said:

The gnostics said Jesus walked the earth as a God/man(Spirit/flesh).

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Actually, the gnostics taught that Jesus could not be God or else He could not be Man; because in their view, spirit is good and matter is evil. And therefore, if Jesus is God (Spirit), He is good and cannot be made of matter (because if that were the case, he would be evil). In some of their writings, they have Jesus walking around making no footprints in the sand.

mjrhealth said:

I Am means HE exists, I Am too but i am not God are you??

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Actually, in John 8:58, Jesus breaks normal grammatical usage to make a point. And He is referring back to Exodus 3:14.

The scribes and Pharisees understood His claim. They picked up stones to stone Him for blasphemy (John 8:59, John 10:31-33).

justbyfaith said:

Actually, the gnostics taught that Jesus could not be God or else He could not be Man; because in their view, spirit is good and matter is evil. And therefore, if Jesus is God (Spirit), He is good and cannot be made of matter (because if that were the case, he would be evil). In some of their writings, they have Jesus walking around making no footprints in the sand.



Actually, in John 8:58, Jesus breaks normal grammatical usage to make a point. And He is referring back to Exodus 3:14.

The scribes and Pharisees understood His claim. They picked up stones to stone Him for blasphemy (John 8:59, John 10:31-33).

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The gnostics taught that when Jesus was on earth he was a kind of a God/spirit man that could walk through walls etc.

They were the founders of the future RCC incarnation idea.

Prior to that, everyone thought Jesus was a lamb/man from God, not a God/lamb/man.

Truther said:

The gnostics taught that when Jesus was on earth he was a kind of a God/spirit man that could walk through walls etc.

They were the founders of the future RCC incarnation idea.

Prior to that, everyone thought Jesus was a lamb/man from God, not a God/lamb/man.

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They denied that Jesus Christ was come in the flesh. And that is a denial of the incarnation.

John was specifically addressing their heresy when he wrote 1 John 4:1-3 and 2 John 1:7.

justbyfaith said:

They denied that Jesus Christ was come in the flesh. And that is a denial of the incarnation.

John was specifically addressing their heresy when he wrote 1 John 4:1-3 and 2 John 1:7.

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We came in the flesh as begotten of 2 parents.

That means we were incarnated?

Truther said:

I am just reading your Bible to you through your bias.

Your reaction is typical.

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You aren't reading my Bible. If your reading though anything it is through the lens of Satan

amadeus said:

I must really disagree... that is if anyone's ultimate salvation is dependent on them be a "Christian". I believe that there are people on this forum who in spite of disagreeing with one another on various things including this one, lead lives carefully striving to always be committed and obedient to God. God does not expect us to be theologians at the top of the class in knowledge. He expects us to be surrendered fully to Him and to be in love with Him. What matters to God? Go very slow about dictating what matters most to Him.

Even if your description of what or who Jesus is were correct, believing that in faith should hardly be on a par with the two greatest commandments according to Jesus in scripture. It is also not your place or mine to decide who is or is not working right and believing right in God.

"Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:36-40

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And I will disagree with you. No one who denies the Christ is 100 percent man and 100 percent God is a Christian. The Bible is not meant to be looked at alone, that is why there are Satan people who deny Christ is 100 percent man and 100 percent God. I stand with the Church Fathers and St. Nicholas against the satanist who deny that Christ came in the flesh such as the liar in this thread named Truther who does not know the truth. So yes it is my place, only a bible onlyist would say it is not our place. I live by the Creeds and the Testimony of the Church Fathers, and the Church not just one book alone.

Now if the OP wanted to talk about Miaphysitism where Christ divine nature and human nature are united in a compound nature that is one thing but the OP have been trying to promulgate heresies of Docetism, Arianism or Nestorianism denying Christ humanity. Look through the thread. It would be one thing if he was a newbie and did quite grasp the concept but he is not and spew heresies can hurt new Christians and old Christians alike. You may like heresies being bandied about but I do not and will call them out as the non Christians these people are. I will not be nice and be a doormat for people like the OP who tries to lead God's children astray

historyb said:

You aren't reading my Bible. If your reading though anything it is through the lens of Satan

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No, I am reading YOUR Bible to you, scriptures that you have shunned for a long time.

Don't feel bad though, I went through the same thing as you are now going through.

Now, say "praise the God of our Lord Jesus Christ", okay?

I know it's hard, but Paul has your back...


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:


AKA....Jesus' God.

historyb said:

No you nincompoop

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You didn't come in the flesh?

Are you an angel?

I think that we were born as human beings and didn't exist before being born.

Whereas Christ was pre-existent as the Father in eternity; before He was born as a human being (come in the flesh).

Truther said:

No, I am reading YOUR Bible to you, scriptures that you have shunned for a long time.

Don't feel bad though, I went through the same thing as you are now going through.

Now, say "praise the God of our Lord Jesus Christ", okay?

I know it's hard, but Paul has your back...


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:


AKA....Jesus' God.

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See Hebrews 1:8-9.

Truther said:

No, I am reading YOUR Bible to you, scriptures that you have shunned for a long time.

Don't feel bad though, I went through the same thing as you are now going through.

Now, say "praise the God of our Lord Jesus Christ", okay?

I know it's hard, but Paul has your back...


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:


AKA....Jesus' God.

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You are evil and wicked you son of Satan your Father

As I see it, either one is resting by faith on "It is finished" (John 19.30), or one is not. Hebrews chapters 9 and 10 expand on this.

historyb said:

You are evil and wicked you son of Satan your Father

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Be nice...

I am inclined to report this post as I reported your other one.

But you would probably end up being disciplined for a repeat offence. So I am showing you mercy by letting this one go.

justbyfaith said:

I think that we were born as human beings and didn't exist before being born.

Whereas Christ was pre-existent as the Father in eternity; before He was born as a human being (come in the flesh).

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Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


....same with the man Christ Jesus. God knew him as a man, pre conception.

God can do that.

justbyfaith said:

See Hebrews 1:8-9.

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Exactly.

God made the son, God.

That's what I have been saying all along.

historyb said:

You are evil and wicked you son of Satan your Father

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You just scolded me for speaking typical, 1st century typical conversation.

Check your motives.

You are not a 1st century advocate, are you?

Truther said:

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


....same with the man Christ Jesus. God knew him as a man, pre conception.

God can do that.

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God knew Jeremiah before he was born because God is outside of time.

Truther said:

Exactly.

God made the son, God.

That's what I have been saying all along.

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Jesus was God before He was born...He pre-existed as the Father.

Consider:

Mal 2:10, Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Isa 9:6, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

So, Jesus is the everlasting Father. And therefore if the Father is a separate Person from Him, that would make two fathers: a contradiction in the holy scriptures.

If God made Jesus God...then Jesus is a God separate from the God who made Him God...I count two Gods in that equation.

But if God the Father became flesh in the Person of the Son, God is Triune in nature and distinctly human in the Person of the Son.