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Is this your way of admitting that you've got no answer?
Just proved a point, even whole countries can believe lies just like mens churches, you certainly do, just like the SDA and JWs that make teh same claim. Our church is right and everyone else is wrong. But you see the truth is in Jesus refused by men especially the religious.
 

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And do you profess the Creed?
If you do, you might want to consider retracting this:



Peace be with you!
I sure do but its not the RCC in the creed its the church universal in the world.

BTW the creeds are not Scripture nor inspired by God.
 

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Just proved a point,

The only point you've proven, is that you have no 2000 year old Christian community that says otherwise...

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

St. Augustine and St Monica,
Pray for us!
 

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And this response is PRECISELY why I said that your previous response was impotent – just as THIS one

You are completely unequipped to debate the issue at hand, which is the fact that we CAN lose our security – so you went on another empty, anti-Catholic rant instead.

Let me know when you’re prepared to debate the issue at hand.
You can save all of your comments about your hatred for the Catholic Church for another thread . . .


I love Catholics......it’s their Doctrine That I hate.....it came from Hell.....I am proud to hate it .
The Good News is that many Catholics are being saved “ despite” their false religion based on a Perverted ” Gospel” Of Works....... these poor victims of a false religion have been Brain- washed since their youth.....Every time a Catholic finds true salvation it is a miracle.....God's Grace is truly “ Amazing”....
 

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The only point you've proven, is that you have no 2000 year old Christian community that says otherwise...

They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

St. Augustine and St Monica,
Pray for us!
You are a member of the"catholic Church" that is what you are, we are supposed to be long to Christ and His church, but I doubt you would ever understand that, and since you are a catholic, you must hold up its doctrines its practices its rules and none of that has anything to do with God, That is why you carry the title "cathoilc", and that is how men are divided by their religions.
 

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Blood Bought: "I love Catholics......it’s their Doctrine That I hate.....it came from Hell.....I am proud to hate it ."

One of the worst mottos ever concocted my misguided Evangelicals is "Love the sinner, hate the sin." What they don't realize is that, practically speaking, the emotion of hate is not experienced on the basis of such an abstract distinction. Catholics exposed to your biblically uninformed screed can just feel the hate! And if you mindlessly want to claim their doctrine is from Hell, then basic spiritual integrity requires you to address my case upthread for the sad fact that they grasp the biblical doctrine of salvation far more accurately than you do. Put up or shut up!

Blood Bought: "Every time a Catholic finds true salvation it is a miracle.....God's Grace is truly “ Amazing”....

And in my town, evangelicals sometimes feel their evangelical churches to find God real in our local Catholic church. Our funeral director is a case in point--a radiant Christian Catholic who gladly shares his testimony.
 
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Homosexuals say that Christians are hateful for saying that their practice is evil.

But I really do believe that Christians do "love the homosexual" and want him to be delivered from his sinful lifestyle so that he will not go to hell.
 

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YOUR problem is that you're so obsessed with me that it tears you apart that I have proven you wrong.

You have not proven me wrong.

I would suggest that you stop posting such banal and trivial words.

banal and trivial?

WRONG.
Let's run through this again . . .

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth
, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek word for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential and relational knowledge (epignosis). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

In order for you to "refute" the fact that this is talking about truly converted, born-again believers - you need to deal with "Epignosis".
This is a warning to the FAITHFUL not to fall back into darkness and LOSE their security.

YOUR turn . . .

It should be clear that the epignosis in Hebrews 10:26-27 is of the truth...not necessarily of Christ.

Having an experiential knowledge of the truth means that it has affected your life; as in the case of the Luke 8:13 believer; who believes for a while and then falls away. Evidently he had epignosis of the truth, but no root in himself; and therefore he fell away when persecution or trial came.

I would say that the John 6:47 believer has an epignosis of Christ (not just the truth as a set of beliefs) and therefore he has everlasting life.

because if you look at Hebrews 10:27 carefully, it doesn't speak of epignosis of Christ; but of the truth.

Now, I'm just testing the waters on this idea; so don't think that I'm banking my whole theology on it.

More unkind insults from angry peevish Fundamentalists! Bol understands Paul better than you do!
"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:13)."

Philippians 2:13 the Greek words for it indicate the working out of a math problem; not working for something.

Thus, 2 Peter 1:10 is a good reiteration of what it says in Philippians 2:13.

Even Paul is not confident of where he stands with God:
"I do not even judge myself. I am not aware of anything against myself. But I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me (1 Corinthians 4:3-5)."

This does not change the fact that we can know that we have eternal life (1 John 5:13).
 

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@BreadOfLife,

You have still failed to answer my contention that the one who believeth on Him hath everlasting life.

Have you considered what it means that their life is everlasting?

It is not temporal.

If the life being spoken of could come to an end, Jesus would have qualified His statement by saying that it may be temporal.

But He didn't. He said,

Jhn 6:47, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

You can scratch that Verily, verily, I say unto you if the life that is given might be temporal.

The fact that Jesus called it everlasting means that it can never come to an end.

Because if it ever comes to an end, it is not everlasting but temporal life. And therefore Jesus was lying when He said that it is everlasting. Even when stating that He was speaking a statement of absolute truth.
 
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Now the above post is logic that you, @BreadOfLife, have never been able to refute.

It is also irrefutable logic; so that you will never be able to refute it.

You may as well concede the fight.
 

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Jesus said to the Apostles, “This IS my body/blood”. Did he lie to them?

It’s called “Symbolism”......Jesus also said we are to “ carry our Cross daily”.....WOW!....We have all been living in Gross Disobedience ! Where can we go and buy Crosses ? Nonsense-Thinking and Pure Gullibility is a scary thing to behold.....
 

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In this type of form...Which are you first, a Catholic or a Christian?
The question is unfair. It presupposes a false dichotomy of "either/or". It's both/and, and more. Catholics must regard ALL baptized in Christ as Christians. It's official teaching.

Back in 375 A.D., when there were no Protestants, the appellation "Catholic" meant you were a Christian apart from heretics.
Saint Pacian of Barcelona, in his letter to letter to Sympronian, in 375 A.D., spelt it out:
"Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart... When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name."

Notice there is no either/or dichotomy.
The other less frequent response I get is that only Catholics are Christians.
Such a response should be non-existent. There are stupid ignorant Catholics just as there are stupid ignorant non-Catholics.
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“New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New.”
St. Augustine’s Commentary on the Sermon on the Mount, 393 A.D.
 

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You have not proven me wrong.



banal and trivial?



It should be clear that the epignosis in Hebrews 10:26-27 is of the truth...not necessarily of Christ.

Having an experiential knowledge of the truth means that it has affected your life; as in the case of the Luke 8:13 believer; who believes for a while and then falls away. Evidently he had epignosis of the truth, but no root in himself; and therefore he fell away when persecution or trial came.

I would say that the John 6:47 believer has an epignosis of Christ (not just the truth as a set of beliefs) and therefore he has everlasting life.

because if you look at Hebrews 10:27 carefully, it doesn't speak of epignosis of Christ; but of the truth.

Now, I'm just testing the waters on this idea; so don't think that I'm banking my whole theology on it.

Philippians 2:13 the Greek words for it indicate the working out of a math problem; not working for something.

Thus, 2 Peter 1:10 is a good reiteration of what it says in Philippians 2:13.

This does not change the fact that we can know that we have eternal life (1 John 5:13).

You are most welcome to air your views on any subject here.
 

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I can tell you who started virtually EVERY man-made Protestant sect.
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First of all, don't insult the Spirit of God by proclaiming that the cult of mary is "the church".
Dont do that, as this offend's God's Truth.

Here is your reality. =You are on a Legit Christian forum, "christian" not catholic.... trying to teach that worshiping a plastic mary as the queen of heaven, is "of God".
Its not.
Stop being both offensive to God and ignorant in general.
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@BreadOfLife,

You have still failed to answer my contention that the one who believeth on Him hath everlasting life.

Have you considered what it means that their life is everlasting?

It is not temporal.

If the life being spoken of could come to an end, Jesus would have qualified His statement by saying that it may be temporal.

But He didn't. He said,

Jhn 6:47, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

You can scratch that Verily, verily, I say unto you if the life that is given might be temporal.

The fact that Jesus called it everlasting means that it can never come to an end.

Because if it ever comes to an end, it is not everlasting but temporal life. And therefore Jesus was lying when He said that it is everlasting. Even when stating that He was speaking a statement of absolute truth.

Now the above post is logic that you, @BreadOfLife, have never been able to refute.

It is also irrefutable logic; so that you will never be able to refute it.

You may as well concede the fight.

No response, @BreadOfLife?
 

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Aw, shucks...... no “ thank you” is necessary .....

I will just leave you with this.......It is IMPOSSIBLE to start at one end of the Bible , read it through to the other end and come out on the other side as a catholic......There is no “ Catholicism” within its pages.None.Get an easy to read version of the Bible , read it, and then tell me I am wrong.....
Because “ you “ say so? Yeahhhhhh......right......Pftt!
If Peter started it , as you will no doubt claim.....it took Paul to straighten Peter out when he was being a hypocrite and catering to the Religious Jews......Peter even admitted later that even though Paul was “ hard to understand”, his writings were as valid as anything else in Scripture..
If you want to disobey Jesus, go ahead ..... Jesus said to “ Follow Paul as he follows Christ”..... Jesus never said the same about Peter......
Funny – I see a LOT of anti-Catholic rants.
What I DON’T see is a single refutation of the Scriptural obliteration I presented of the 16th century man-made fallacy of OSAS.

Soooooo - ALL your hot wind can’t change the Scriptural fact that our salvation requires our cooperation with God’s grace.
Try again . . .
 
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First of all, don't insult the Spirit of God by proclaiming that the cult of mary is "the church".
Dont do that, as this offend's God's Truth.

Here is your reality. =You are on a Legit Christian forum, "christian" not catholic.... trying to teach that worshiping a plastic mary as the queen of heaven, is "of God".
Its not.
Stop being both offensive to God and ignorant in general.
I guess we'll never get to a point where you can actually refute the Scriptural decimation of your 16th century man-made invention of OSAS.
As I stated before - "Epignosis" is the Kryptonite to your Calvinist fallacy.

Whenever you're ready to address the facts, however, they're right here for your edification . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek word for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential and relational knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.

Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory . . .

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)
 

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Blood Bought: "I love Catholics......it’s their Doctrine That I hate.....it came from Hell.....I am proud to hate it ."

One of the worst mottos ever concocted my misguided Evangelicals is "Love the sinner, hate the sin." What they don't realize is that, practically speaking, the emotion of hate is not experienced on the basis of such an abstract distinction. Catholics exposed to your biblically uninformed screed can just feel the hate! And if you mindlessly want to claim their doctrine is from Hell, then basic spiritual integrity requires you to address my case upthread for the sad fact that they grasp the biblical doctrine of salvation far more accurately than you do. Put up or shut up!

Blood Bought: "Every time a Catholic finds true salvation it is a miracle.....God's Grace is truly “ Amazing”....

And in my town, evangelicals sometimes feel their evangelical churches to find God real in our local Catholic church. Our funeral director is a case in point--a radiant Christian Catholic who gladly shares his testimony.
speaking of worst doctrines of all we have

maryology
pontiff/pope
indulgenced
purgatory
prayer to the dead
elevation of saints
and last but not least a false gospel condemned in Galatians 1.

hope this helps !!!
 
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It should be clear that the epignosis in Hebrews 10:26-27 is of the truth...not necessarily of Christ.

Having an experiential knowledge of the truth means that it has affected your life; as in the case of the Luke 8:13 believer; who believes for a while and then falls away. Evidently he had epignosis of the truth, but no root in himself; and therefore he fell away when persecution or trial came.
I would say that the John 6:47 believer has an epignosis of Christ (not just the truth as a set of beliefs) and therefore he has everlasting life.
because if you look at Hebrews 10:27 carefully, it doesn't speak of epignosis of Christ; but of the truth.
Now, I'm just testing the waters on this idea; so don't think that I'm banking my whole theology on it.
You MUST be joking.
Christ IS truth itself:

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and THE TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Crack open a Bible, pal . . .