@VictoryinJesus When I saw the title, my mind went to Revelation 21 and to the glory of the Lamb in the heavenly city, and then I saw that you had already quoted this.
What is the 3rd temple?
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There are no more 'apostles' sent by Jesus living today.
Any man who today who tries to play the role of apostle is an antichrist.
Where does the Bible say that?
The successors of Moses have the authority and must be obeyed according to Jesus matt 23 that passed to Peter and the apostles, and if it applies to Moses successors then it also applies to the successors of Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18
Any man who today who tries to play the role of apostle is an antichrist.
Where does the Bible say that?
The successors of Moses have the authority and must be obeyed according to Jesus matt 23 that passed to Peter and the apostles, and if it applies to Moses successors then it also applies to the successors of Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18
We still need Peter, the apostles, and their successors to teach the nations, mt 28:19 bind and loose mt 16:18 to baptize disciples, Jn 3:5 and Jn 4:1 to govern the church mt 16:18 to feed my sheep, Jn 21:17 basically for the new covenant! With the same mission, power, and authority as Jesus Christ! Jn 20:21-23
Davy
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Irrelevant, because the future time when there is no more temple is about the new heavens and a new earth timing, AFTER Christ's 1,000 years reign over all nations with His elect. Per Ezekiel 40 thru 47, there will be a temple built for Christ's 1,000 years reign. That is yet ANOTHER Sign of Christ's future 1,000 years reign with His elect. Ezekiel 47 even reveals the return of God's River of the waters of life, and the tree of life, which are real things which once manifested upon this earth when God before lived here on earth per Genesis 2. So there's even yet another... marker for the time of Christ's future 1,000 years reign on earth.
And the strongest time marker for when the new heavens and new earth time is come, is right after when Satan and the wicked, and the abode of hell, are all destroyed in the future "lake of fire", and Jesus then delivers up the Kingdom to The Father, like Apostle Paul said in 1 Cor.15.
The church is the new heaven and new earth! New birth new creature in Christ and the heavenly Jerusalem is our mother!
How can you have a physical 1000 yrs kingdom? Lk 1:38 His kingdom shall have no end.
How can you have a physical 1000 yrs kingdom? Lk 1:38 His kingdom shall have no end.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
shortly come to pass & the time is at hand? Not 2000 years later
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
shortly come to pass & the time is at hand? Not 2000 years later
No. It is simply the next temple after the second temple in Jerusalem. So here is the order of temples (actual physical structures):
1. FIRST TEMPLE ---> Solomon's temple (destroyed)
2. SECOND TEMPLE ---> Ezra/Nehemiah/Herods' temple (destroyed)
3. THIRD TEMPLE---> to be built by Orthodox Jews and desecrated by the Antichrist (and ultimately destroyed)
4, FOURTH TEMPLE ---> the Millennial temple after the Second Coming of Christ. Will never be destroyed.
Stan B
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VIJ, you seem to have your chronology a bit messed up. You quoted Rev 21 which has nothing to do with the third temple being built in Jerusalem. It has to do with the New Heavens and the New Earth following the 1,000 year millenium.
Start at the beginning of the chapter: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth are passed away; and the sea is no more." Rev 21:1
Before that happens, we have to deal with the temple of the Great Tribulation which is taken over by the anti-christ, and declares himself as God.
15“Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place [the temple] (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 “Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 “Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19“ But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20“ But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will." Matt 24
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AOD fulfilled 70 ad mt 23:38
The church is the new heaven and new earth, you are a new creature in Christ. 3 cor 5:17
New or heavenly Jerusalem is our mother Gal 4:26
The church is the new heaven and new earth, you are a new creature in Christ. 3 cor 5:17
New or heavenly Jerusalem is our mother Gal 4:26
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Bobby Jo
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Comments noted in GREEN:
1. FIRST TEMPLE (Tabernacle) ---> Was a portable TENT for the ARK of the COVENANT.
2. SECOND TEMPLE ---> Solomon's temple (destroyed)
3. THIRD TEMPLE ---> Ezra/Nehemiah/Herods' temple (destroyed)
4. FOURTH TEMPLE ---> our physical bodies, -- 1 Cor. 6: 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you ...
Hope this helps,
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Please allow that you've confused a COMMENTARY with being SCRIPTURE. As such, THERE IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE a "Jewish Temple" for the a/c to desecrate or occupy. The closest that the a/c will come to "occupancy" is:
Dan. 11:45 And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.
Secondly, and most interestingly, -- Dan. 11:30 provides additional perspective:
Dan. 11:30 For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall be afraid and withdraw, and shall turn back and be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and give heed to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate.
So where you don't know the sequence of Modern History (Ref. 12: 4 & 9) with respect to Dan. 11, suffice it to say that this passage pertains to Muammar Gaddafi after Reagan sent the 6th Fleet into the Gulf of Sidra and the F-111 's against Tripoli; with Gaddafi's subsequent response:
Within five months of the Libyan attack, a particularly egregious act of terrorism occurred against Istanbul, Turkey’s, main Jewish synagogue, the “Jews of Neve Shalom.” On Saturday, September 6, 1986, at 9:20 a.m., two attackers, in their 20’s, entered the synagogue shortly after the start of services. They locked the main door behind them, and standing 30 feet apart, started spraying the all-male congregation, young and old, with machine gun fire. They killed 21, wounded 4 (one seriously), and left one 17 year old unscathed (he pretended to be dead). They then poured gasoline over seven of the bodies, and set fire. Finally, they pulled the pins on their handgrenades, and blew themselves apart. Seven rabbis were among the dead, and Istabul’s chief rabbi was wounded. The ten women upstairs were unharmed.
And so we should discover that Daniel's reference to a "Temple" was fulfilled by the Main Synagogue in Turkey. In addition, considering that ONE 17-year-old boy was unscathed, -- if we consider the J.R. Church Prophetic-Psalms concept, we might discover for the year 1986 in Book 19, Chapter 86 = 1986:
Psalms 86
14 O God, insolent men have risen up against me;
a band of ruthless men seek my life,
and they do not set thee before them.
15 But thou, O Lord, art a God merciful and gracious,
slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness.
16 Turn to me and take pity on me;
give thy strength to thy servant,
and save the son of thy handmaid.
a band of ruthless men seek my life,
and they do not set thee before them.
15 But thou, O Lord, art a God merciful and gracious,
slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness.
16 Turn to me and take pity on me;
give thy strength to thy servant,
and save the son of thy handmaid.
As such, Scripture appears to confirm Scripture.
Bobby Jo
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A tabernacle (tent) cannot be a temple and vice versa. Not sure where you come up with these bizarre ideas.
Stan B
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There are no successors to the apostles. They have already said what was required of them by the Holy Spirit in their Epistles. End of revelation.
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But that tent contained the Ark of the Covenant; the Holy of Holies.
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won’t be disappointed if you are right. Won’t be disappointed if Christ returns and raptures his people out before tribulation or after ‘the great tribulation’. Won’t be disappointed if He returns today, tomorrow or is already here. I used to be so scared because I was taught growing up that Christ was going to rapture His church (body) out before the great tribulation. Taught this to my children too even at a very young age to put everything into the rapture of the church. although I had no relationship with God and as you say ‘repeating what someone told me’. When some of the things I’d been repeating started to unravel and fall apart it terrified me that I no longer knew what the future looked like. no longer scared though, not knowing what the future looks like so even if you are right about this temple being built 3, 4, or haven’t some said even a fifth ...or about the antichrist being many, the old man of sin crucified in us all, or a single man; whoever is right..can they all be right, guess we will see. Only share with you what the word says to me at the moment: Christ is the body and resurrected restored Temple where the Spirit of God dwells. Living stones come together built up in Him. Do not understand or see why then God would cast down living stones which He brought to Life and built up a Holy Temple in Christ where the fullness of the Godhead dwells ‘bodily’.
Still would not be disappointed if you are right. One thing I have learned is God usually does things not like I imagined them. Even prayer, His way is always better than I imagined. About the rest, probably also better than imagined.
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True. The main difference between the tent and the temple was a solid structure in Jerusalem at a specific designated location vs a mobile structure which moved from location to location. At the same time, while the temple was meant to be permanent, it was destroyed with the permission of God by Israel's enemies each time (for the sins of Israel).
Isaac was to be sacrificed on Mount Moriah, and king David chose this location (at God's direction) for the temple which Solomon built in Jerusalem. It is also called Mount Zion (Hebrew tsiyown means "a sunny place"). Jerusalem will again be redeemed and restored, and eventually Ezekiel's temple will be built there.
According to Scripture the patterns of the tabernacle and temple were based on the pattern of the Heavenly Sanctuary (also called "the Temple of God"). And now the Ark of the Covenant is also located there (Rev 11:19): And the Temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in His Temple the Ark of His Testament:[Covenant] and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
So before Solomon's temple was destroyed, the Ark was taken to Heaven supernaturally. And at that time only the tablets of stone with the Ten Commandments were found therein.
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