People who don't believe in Jesus are going to Hell, correct?

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I believe that those who are of low IQ who cannot fully understand sin, salvation, what faith is, etc. are covered by the grace of God (as a baby would be)...

I believe that too, but, where does the bible explicitly state this?

You see, the answer to my question in the OP is not necessarily so clear. There are many Christians that teach (perhaps FALSELY) that, anyone that doesn't accept Christ prior to their physical death, is going to Hell. I'd like to see the biblical verse that EXPLICITLY makes that statement. And if they can't produce it, then why do they preach it?
 

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Luke 18:9-14 ESV / 206 helpful votes
He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
 

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I believe that too, but, where does the bible explicitly state this?

You see, the answer to my question in the OP is not necessarily so clear. There are many Christians that teach (perhaps FALSELY) that, anyone that doesn't accept Christ prior to their physical death, is going to Hell. I'd like to see the biblical verse that EXPLICITLY makes that statement. And if they can't produce it, then why do they preach it?

I would look at the example of King David when God had the child he had with Bathsheba die. (2 Samuel 12)

2 Thessalonians 1:8 - In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
 

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I would look at the example of King David when God had the child he had with Bathsheba die. (2 Samuel 12)

2 Thessalonians 1:8 - In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Is it POSSIBLE that God was punishing the parents by taking the life of the baby and is it POSSIBLE that the baby went to Heaven? Would God really send an infant to suffer in Hell?
 
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I am trying to follow the teachings of God and of Jesus. I simply asked if people who fail to accept Christ in this life are guaranteed a trip to Hell. How is that question a sin?

If people do not obey Jesus it's not only a guaranteed trip to Hell, they're already on the broad road leading to it.

People love darkness more than the light. We are not innocent people and none of us deserve salvation. Is God wrong for judging the sins of a person? When it comes to the topic of Hell and the justice of God, many place God's character in the spotlight instead of wicked mankind.
 

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Is it POSSIBLE that God was punishing the parents by taking the life of the baby and is it POSSIBLE that the baby went to Heaven? Would God really send an infant to suffer in Hell?

Please read 2 Samuel 12.
 

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Is it POSSIBLE that God was punishing the parents by taking the life of the baby and is it POSSIBLE that the baby went to Heaven? Would God really send an infant to suffer in Hell?
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
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Matthew 15:14

Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.
 

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Not necessarily. Those who reject Christ and His words...certainly. But it is possible to reject the religion and yet still obey the words of Jesus. Just like it is very possible to accept the religion and ignore the words of Jesus. Like SOOO many modern believers do.

Jesus taught on this. The parable of the 2 sons.

How many who profess Jesus as in a religion of salvation but do the very opposite of what He commanded?

How many are meek, lowly and humble and fear the Lord? Only such as these are actually being obedient to the words of Jesus...and His character.
 
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Is it POSSIBLE that some meet Jesus upon their physical death and are then saved? For instance, people who have never heard the word of Jesus?
 
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John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 

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MATTHEW 18

The Greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven
1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
 

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John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Ok, so some poor sap on a remote island who has never heard of Jesus will be tortured for eternity in Hell.
 
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Ok, so some poor sap on a remote island who has never heard of Jesus will be tortured for eternity in Hell.


Modern religion is not about truth but about self-preservation based on religious attachment to certain beliefs. As such there is no actual transportability to others as in the true judgment of the world. No, the concern for to justify oneself...who cares about what happens to others. That is the attitude.

So then if a Hindu girl obeys the command to honour her parents and goes to temple with them....she is damned for being respectful as God commands we should be? Is she not obeying God in obeying her parents?

Of course the navel gazers will never consider other scenarios in their headlong rush for self-justification.
 

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Modern religion is not about truth but about self-preservation based on religious attachment to certain beliefs. As such there is no actual transportability to others as in the true judgment of the world. No, the concern for to justify oneself...who cares about what happens to others. That is the attitude.

So then if a Hindu girl obeys the command to honour her parents and goes to temple with them....she is damned for being respectful as God commands we should be? Is she not obeying God in obeying her parents?

Of course the navel gazers will never consider other scenarios in their headlong rush for self-justification.


It seems to me that some will not have the opportunity to know Jesus in this life and will have the opportunity to meet and accept Jesus upon their death. But where is that in the bible? To my knowledge, it is not. But if it's untrue, then it seems many poor, uninformed souls are going to Hell, which I don't believe.
 

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i havent read the other replies yet, beyond the first couple, but id like to suggest an alternative interpretation, that being that what is translated to us as "hell" which we understand as a place of fire and brimstone that evildoers goto after they have died came from our Norse/Angle scribes who had no better analogy for Gehenna, which is right here on earth, right?

So first off our concept of "hell" is prolly whacked, and tbh i doubt we have a very good concept of Christ either, we turn Christ into "Jesus," when Jesus surely did not die for our sins! Strange as that maybe sounds--No son of man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins, dies

So, Christ came that we might have life, more abundantly, right, but a little Apollos waters and alla sudden we have pretty much everybody believing that they are maybe somehow gonna go up to heaven after they have died, to become immortals, while some other people who do not believe as they do might go to hell after they have died, to burn forever; and we have plenty of Scripture that condemns this pov, that must be ignored in order to believe those. If you dig a pit for others to fall into, you end up in it yourself
Is it POSSIBLE that some meet Jesus upon their physical death and are then saved? For instance, people who have never heard the word of Jesus?
Christ is Spirit, right, meaning whether or not ppl actually call "Him" that He will exist in their culture in some form, imo. Jesus worship is not a good idea i dont think, and you might note that ppl in Jesus Cults are always waiting for life to begin after they have literally died? Usually after "Jesus" takes them somewhere? This is Jesus as Apollos imo, and they are really mithraists, seeking immortality, regardless of the dress they put it in
 
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