People who don't believe in Jesus are going to Hell, correct?

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If hell must be a place seperated from God, then where does (Hell) exist if God is everywhere?
The bible tells us that hell is a place that is below us....whether it's called hades or hell. It exists....

  1. “For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment …” (2 Peter 2:4)
  2. “Let death seize them; let them go down alive into hell, for wickedness is in their dwellings and among them.” (Psalm 55:15)
  3. “Her house is the way to hell, descending to the chambers of death.”(Proverbs 7:27)
  4. “They do not lie with the mighty who are fallen of the uncircumcised, who go down to hell with their weapons of war; they have laid their swords under their heads but their iniquities will be on their bones, because of the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.” (Ezekiel 32:27)
  5. “Therefore Sheol has enlarged itself and opened its mouth beyond measure; their glory and their multitude and their pomp, and he who is jubilant, shall descend into it. People shall be brought down, each man humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled.” (Isaiah 5:14-15)
  6. “… then I will bring you down with those who descend into the Pit, to the people of old, and I will make you dwell in the lowest part of the earth, in places desolate from antiquity, with those who go down to the Pit, so that you may never be inhabited; and I shall establish glory in the land of the living. ‘I will make you a terror, and you shall be no more; though you are sought for, you will never be found again,’ says the Lord God. (Ezekiel 26:20-21)
  7. “But if the Lord creates a new thing, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive in to the pit, then you will understand that these men rejected the Lord. Then it came to pass, as he finished speaking all these words, that the ground split apart under them, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up … So they and all those with them went down alive in the pit; the earth closed over them, and they perished from among the congregation.” (Numbers 16:30-33)
  8. “Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit.” (Isaiah 14:15)
  9. “For Sheol cannot thank You, death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth.” (Isaiah 38:18)
  10. “… Deliver him from going down to the Pit … He will redeem his soul from going dow to the Pit, and his life shall see the light.” (Job 33:24,28)
  11. “Let us swallow them alive like Sheol, and whole, like those who go down to the Pit…” (Proverbs 1:12)
  12. “But those who seek my life, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.” (Psalm 63:9)
 

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see, that is all figurative language that believers want to take literally, so that they can "go to heaven" when they literally die, rather than dying and being "born again" right now!
He who digs a pit for others to fall into ends up in it himself
i mean granted the dying to self right now part is tuff; we do just enough to feel a little better i guess? lol
surrender is hard
So. That is where hell is, or will be? Help me out here?
ah well, that is an interesting story imo, that apparently involves Norse/Angle scribes who just had no better analogy to use (google can illuminate), but at the same time the Bible was almost surely written with the then-current state of mind of those who followed "the gods," and believed that one might attain immortality after death; so iow much of the language that seems to be accounting for an "afterlife" is really meant for our current lives, after we come to Christ. Hence "buried with Him in death, raised to new life in Him" is often said over ritual baptisms, or used to be anyway, dunno about now.

So, aside from Tartarus, which im pretty sure is also a spiritual state rather than a literal place, we really have no "hell in the afterlife" in the Bible; even For all must come before the judgement seat to be judged for their works done while in the body neednt be happening after literal death, no reason that could not be occurring in the moment, eh?

near as i can tell anyway, any other pov violates We do not yet know what we will become, as well as a few others, No one has ever gone up to heaven, There is only One Immortal, etc
Hades comes from Greek mythology, not Jewish.
boo-ya, and also there is no punishment in Hades mythology, neverminnding why Greek gods are in Christian mythology to begin with! Its horse-puckey, and the shoveler of it will always be speaking in Hegelian, too; you have to believe it, or else, kinda thing. Its a big bag of hot air, and admittedly Scripture encourages the pov on the surface, but it wont ever stand up to any scrutiny imo
the Bible is surely written so that ppl can deceive themselves if they like
 
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i mean granted the dying to self right now part is tuff; we do just enough to feel a little better i guess? lol
surrender is hard
it's doubtful that 2 ppl will read this who could spend 72 hours in a dark cave with a gallon of water comfortably
15 min is a good start tho i guess :)

you wanna meet your monster, go do that
going to Luby's for a celebration after you get baptised is not gonna cut it imo

So surely no, it is not really correct to say that "ppl who dont believe in Jesus are going to hell" on at least two counts, their def of "Jesus" and their concept of hell
your bargain with the grave will be annulled ok ladies
No son of man may die for another's sins
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Father, why have You forsaken Me?
 

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Thanks in advance.

Depends. If they heard the Gospel and refuse then I believe yes but if they never heard the Gospel then that is up to God. Really I know where God is not where He is not. I like to think like CS Lewis in his Narnia series the last battle book:

“Then I fell at his feet and thought, Surely this is the hour of death, for the Lion (who is worthy of all honour) will know that I have served Tash all my days and not him. Nevertheless, it is better to see the Lion and die than to be Tisroc of the world and live and not to have seen him. But the Glorious One bent down his golden head and touched my forehead with his tongue and said, Son, thou art welcome. But I said, Alas Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash. He answered, Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me. Then by reasons of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, Lord, is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one? The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath’s sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted. Dost thou understand, Child? I said, Lord, though knowest how much I understand. But I said also (for the truth constrained me), Yet I have been seeking Tash all my days. Beloved, said the Glorious One, unless thy desire had been for me thou wouldst not have sought so long and so truly. For all find what they truly seek.” - CS Lewis
 

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The bible tells us that hell is a place that is below us....whether it's called hades or hell. It exists....

  1. “For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment …” (2 Peter 2:4)
  2. “Let death seize them; let them go down alive into hell, for wickedness is in their dwellings and among them.” (Psalm 55:15)
  3. “Her house is the way to hell, descending to the chambers of death.”(Proverbs 7:27)
  4. “They do not lie with the mighty who are fallen of the uncircumcised, who go down to hell with their weapons of war; they have laid their swords under their heads but their iniquities will be on their bones, because of the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.” (Ezekiel 32:27)
  5. “Therefore Sheol has enlarged itself and opened its mouth beyond measure; their glory and their multitude and their pomp, and he who is jubilant, shall descend into it. People shall be brought down, each man humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled.” (Isaiah 5:14-15)
  6. “… then I will bring you down with those who descend into the Pit, to the people of old, and I will make you dwell in the lowest part of the earth, in places desolate from antiquity, with those who go down to the Pit, so that you may never be inhabited; and I shall establish glory in the land of the living. ‘I will make you a terror, and you shall be no more; though you are sought for, you will never be found again,’ says the Lord God. (Ezekiel 26:20-21)
  7. “But if the Lord creates a new thing, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive in to the pit, then you will understand that these men rejected the Lord. Then it came to pass, as he finished speaking all these words, that the ground split apart under them, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up … So they and all those with them went down alive in the pit; the earth closed over them, and they perished from among the congregation.” (Numbers 16:30-33)
  8. “Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit.” (Isaiah 14:15)
  9. “For Sheol cannot thank You, death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth.” (Isaiah 38:18)
  10. “… Deliver him from going down to the Pit … He will redeem his soul from going dow to the Pit, and his life shall see the light.” (Job 33:24,28)
  11. “Let us swallow them alive like Sheol, and whole, like those who go down to the Pit…” (Proverbs 1:12)
  12. “But those who seek my life, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.” (Psalm 63:9)
How do you know hell exists if it is not apart of God in anyway?
 

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I say that if you think people are going to go to hell for not believing what you personally believe, then you will end up there yourself.
 

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How do you know hell exists if it is not apart of God in anyway?
Who do you think created hell in the first place?
Mark 9:43
... If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with
only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands. ...

Job 31:12
It is a fire that burns all the way to hell. It would wipe out everything I own. ...
The fires of Abaddon will burn, disrupting every part of my eternal reward

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,
putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment ...

Matthew 10:28
Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. ...
Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell. ...
 
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Is the word paradigm even in the Bible?
The concept certainly is. Getting Saved and living Saved require on-going, God-driven changes to our frame of reference.

For the dissatisfied unbeliever,
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again,
he cannot [even] see the kingdom of God.” --Jesus, John 3:3 NKJV​

For the committed believer,
"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." --Apostle Paul, Romans 12:2 NKJV

"For now we see in a mirror, dimly,
but then face to face.​
Now I know in part,
but then I shall know just as I also am known." 1 Corinthians 13:12 NKJV​

For the continued unbeliever,
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing,
but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18 NKJV​
 
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I say that if you think people are going to go to hell for not believing what you personally believe, then you will end up there yourself.
You identify as agnostic. You have no basis to advance rules of theodynamics* when you refuse to even recognize its underlying God. You are grasping at straws.

Christians do not pronounce judgment. We are here to pitch Amnesty, but you have to acknowledge the impending Judgment in order to recognize its value.

*Theodynamics would be a study of how God moves; a subset of Theology, the study of God's nature.
 

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You identify as agnostic. You have no basis to advance rules of theodynamics* when you refuse to even recognize its underlying God. You are grasping at straws.

Christians do not pronounce judgment. We are here to pitch Amnesty, but you have to acknowledge the impending Judgment in order to recognize its value.

*Theodynamics would be a study of how God moves; a subset of Theology, the study of God's nature.
Hurry up and die, you stupid human beings. (That all I say in my mind now)
 

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I am acquainted with a woman who believes that some guy on YouTube is God. Seriously. Of course, he's a con man. She has sent him money. I have spoken to her and have tried to counsel her, to no avail. One problem is that she has a VERY low IQ. I don't know if she is, technically, mentally retarded, but she is probably pretty close.

Aside from that, she is very kind, generous and has never, to my knowledge, ever uttered a bad word for another, let alone hurt another.

In spite of all that, Jesus, who is loving, merciful and just, will send her (or allow her to go) to Hell to suffer damnation for eternity, right?

Can any of you all-knowing "Christians" provide the verse that explicitly says that such a person will be condemned to Hell?

I am not convinced that a person will not go to hell because they are a nice person. The scripture is clear when it says except a man be born again he CANNOT see the kingdom of God. Doesn't say except a man/ woman is nice they cannot see the kingdom of God.

The sad thing is that too many unbelievers in their arrogance do not realize that hell will be a hell of a place and best avoided.
 

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I am not convinced that a person will not go to hell because they are a nice person. The scripture is clear when it says except a man be born again he CANNOT see the kingdom of God. Doesn't say except a man/ woman is nice they cannot see the kingdom of God.

The sad thing is that too many unbelievers in their arrogance do not realize that hell will be a hell of a place and best avoided.

I believe the woman that I mentioned will be in Heaven. She has been deceived and mislead. I do NOT believe that Jesus is going to victimize her further by casting her into a lake of fire to burn forever. That sounds like Satan to me.
 

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I do NOT believe that Jesus is going to victimize her further by casting her into a lake of fire to burn forever. That sounds like Satan to me.
You mischaracterize Jesus and His Judgment. He loves mass murderers* just as much as He loves "nice" people (and we are all equally guilty before Him, without His intervention). He would much rather redeem than condemn, but condemnation is the only option that is left for those who would reject His redemption.

*Am I right, Saul of Tarsus...?
 
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You mischaracterize Jesus and His Judgment. He loves mass murderers* just as much as He loves "nice" people (and we are all equally guilty before Him without His intervention). He would much rather redeem than condemn, but condemnation is the only option that is left for those who would reject His redemption.

*Am I right, Saul of Tarsus...?


Upon meeting Christ, I'm confident that virtually none would reject him.
 

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Upon meeting Christ, I'm confident that virtually none would reject him.
Jesus said,
If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
If you were of the world, the world would love its own.
Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’
If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.
If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.

But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.
If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.
He who hates Me hates My Father also.

If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin;

but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father.
But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause." John 15:18-25 NKJV
 

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near as i can tell anyway, any other pov violates We do not yet know what we will become, as well as a few others, No one has ever gone up to heaven, There is only One Immortal, etc

boo-ya, and also there is no punishment in Hades mythology, neverminnding why Greek gods are in Christian mythology to begin with! Its horse-puckey, and the shoveler of it will always be speaking in Hegelian, too; you have to believe it, or else, kinda thing. Its a big bag of hot air, and admittedly Scripture encourages the pov on the surface, but it wont ever stand up to any scrutiny imo
the Bible is surely written so that ppl can deceive themselves if they like

John 3:13
And no one has ever gone up to heaven but he who came down from heaven, the Son of man.

Romans 10:6-10 (BBE)
6. But the righteousness which is of faith says these words, Say not in your heart, Who will go up to heaven? (that is, to make Christ come down)
7. Or, Who will go down into the deep? (that is, to make Christ come again from the dead)
8. But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart: that is, the word of faith of which we are the preachers:
9. Because, if you say with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and have faith in your heart that God has made him come back from the dead, you will have salvation:
10. For with the heart man has faith to get righteousness, and with the mouth he says that Jesus is Lord to get salvation.

Remember this, Jesus had the keys of Hades, so never ever worried about hell.

Revelation 1:17-18
17. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as one dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying, Fear not; I am the first and the last,
18. and the Living one; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

Hades or Hell or Gehenna, world war itself was represent Gehenna that slaughtering all mankind or similar to holocaust, because in the war itself those who persecute others are being used by Astarte the gods of war, that will explaining why does in every war there are always be a rape and killing because they're possessed by the goddess of sex & war.