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Let's take a look at Logos in Creation. We open our Bibles to the book of Genesis and John.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word(G3056) was with God, and the Word was God.

The definition of G3056 is as follows:

λόγος
logos

Thayer Definition:
1) of speech
1a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
1b) what someone has said


God spoke with "logos" (speech) thus created....

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Later, in the New Testament we read...

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten(G3439) of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The definition of begotten is as follows:

G3439
μονογενής
monogenēs

Thayer Definition:
1) single of its kind, only
1a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
1b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God

Jesus was not from eternity as a person, he was in the plan and mind of the Almighty/LORD of Hosts from the beginning, he was crucified from the foundation of the world, and although there were various "theophanies" (manifestations) of God before the Incarnation (as the burning bush, pillar of fire and cloud, etc.), he did not become a "person" until the birth from the virgin, Mary.

The Logos in creation is, the LORD of Hosts spake, "Let there be light" and there was light. The spoken word/logos became flesh and dwelt among us.

Now let's take a look at Isaiah 12:2, "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation."

The new Testament says this...

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (G2424): for he shall save his people from their sins.

The definition of JESUS is as follows:

G2424
Ἰησοῦς
Iēsous

Thayer Definition:
Jesus = “Jehovah is salvation”


God Bless!
 
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Addressing the OP, good topic, and a good post. not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this.
the "logos" is JESUS who is God, one persaon, who spoke at Genesis 1:1, the ordinal First, the Holy Spirit. and Jesus who is God, that spoke at Genesis 1:1 is his own equal share of himself "manifested" in flesh in the likeness of his own image, "man", at John 1:1.

for the WORD of GOD is God himself, now made manifested/visible in flesh as you stated scripture correctly, (John 1:14).
Thayer Definition:
Jesus = “Jehovah is salvation”
we disagree with Thayer, and others, in name identification only. GOD, who is JESUS is "Salvation", and Jesus do not = Jehovah. for it's not/salvation in any other Name under heaven where by men may be saved, (see Acts 4:12, and Philippians 2:10).

and we need to correct this name "Jehovah", for God's holy name is JESUS. for it is GOD who saves, not Jehovah.

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Let's take a look at Logos in Creation. We open our Bibles to the book of Genesis and John.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word(G3056) was with God, and the Word was God.

The definition of G3056 is as follows:

λόγος
logos

Thayer Definition:
1) of speech
1a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
1b) what someone has said


God spoke with "logos" (speech) thus created....

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Later, in the New Testament we read...

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten(G3439) of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The definition of begotten is as follows:

G3439
μονογενής
monogenēs

Thayer Definition:
1) single of its kind, only
1a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
1b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God

Jesus was not from eternity as a person, he was in the plan and mind of the Almighty/LORD of Hosts from the beginning, he was crucified from the foundation of the world, and although there were various "theophanies" (manifestations) of God before the Incarnation (as the burning bush, pillar of fire and cloud, etc.), he did not become a "person" until the birth from the virgin, Mary.

The Logos in creation is, the LORD of Hosts spake, "Let there be light" and there was light. The spoken word/logos became flesh and dwelt among us.

Now let's take a look at Isaiah 12:2, "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation."

The new Testament says this...

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (G2424): for he shall save his people from their sins.

The definition of JESUS is as follows:

G2424
Ἰησοῦς
Iēsous

Thayer Definition:
Jesus = “Jehovah is salvation”


God Bless!

Good "Word", and welcome here...one thing that always comes to mind when speaking of Jesus, The Christ and The WORD of God is that Jesus only did/said/taught what God said...so if God did not say a thing ...yet...such as the day or the hour of the end, or His return then, that must mean God has not spoken it ...yet? One of my favorite subjects to ponder.
In His Name,
Nancy
 
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Good "Word", and welcome here...one thing that always comes to mind when speaking of Jesus, The Christ and The WORD of God is that Jesus only did/said/taught what God said...so if God did not say a thing ...yet...such as the day or the hour of the end, or His return then, that must mean God has not spoken it ...yet? One of my favorite subjects to ponder.
In His Name,
Nancy
Hi Nancy, thanks for the reply. yes, while somethings are a mystery, but only a mystery for a while. "such as the day or the hour of the end, or His return then, that must mean God has not spoken it ...yet?", not saying that you're right or wrong , but he has, and this mystery if we may share it with you. for as you said, which is correct, "one thing that always comes to mind when speaking of Jesus, The Christ and The WORD of God is that Jesus only did/said/taught what God said".

this one of the subject that has many scholars in the dark, but not the saints of God, "Why Jesus who is God don't know his return Date?". that's a good question, so let's see why?.

to understand this mystery is to understand this term, "God's own determine WILL. again the beauty of God's "diversity" in flesh. the answer to this mystery is in the "will" of God. God have a "will". and it is clearly seen in the Godly principle of Matthew 6:3. listen, "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". question, how can one do something themselves without knowing about it. your right hand, and left hand is a part of the "one" you. the answer, because you "will" it not to be known. sound strange? NO, I have done it. when someone come to me in confidentiality, I will myself not to remember as to what have been said unto me, because I have a will, not to remember it. Let’s see how God do it and get to the bottom of this not knowing his return date. scripture, Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more". see that? "and I (will) remember their sin no more". HOLD IT, how can almighty, all knowing God not remember? Answer, it's an act of the will. he will "not" to remember. just as he said in Matthew 6:3b "let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth", "let" is an act of the will. so how do all of this relates to our Lord's not knowing his return date. answer, Revelation chapter 5. our Lord, Jesus, the ordinal Last, the manifested Logos, the WORD in flesh is sitting on the throne. what happens? the Spirit, (the Father, the ordinal First, the Holy Ghost), comes and takes the book out of his right, hand. question, "which hand did he take the book out of?" that's right, the right hand. Remember Matthew 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". by the Father, (the Holy Spirit, the ordinal First), taking the book out of his OWN "RIGHT" hand, the Lord Jesus, the ordinal last, the Word, the Logos. he Jesus who sits on the throne, the manifested Logos, wills not to KNOW his return DATE, just as God in Jeremiah 31:34, wills NOT to KNOW our sins. BINGO. because the book in his, Jesus, the Logos, RIGHT hand contains all the information of what's to come. so, only the Father, (the Holy Spirit, the ordinal Last), knows because the father took the book out of his own "RIGHT" hand. again BINGO Matthew 6:3 is fulfilled by Revelation 5:1. so by our Lord, the word, the Logos being manifested in flesh and bone, and as mediator, sits on the throne, he fulfills the DAVIDIC PROPHECY, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD, (the ordinal First, the Spirit) said unto my Lord, (the ordinal last, the Logos, the Word), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool". The until is written in the book that was in the Lord's right hand, whom the Father took, (NOW ONLY HE, "THE FATHER", KNOWS HIS SONS RETURN DATE). So the Lord Jesus statement is true, no one knows only he, the Father, who took the book. for let not thy lleft hand knows what thy right hand is doing.

see how the bible confirm itself.

Another mystery cleared up, by knowing Jesus the Logos, the Word is GOD in FLESH.

PICJAG.

PS i apologise to the OP and Nancy for going off topic a bit to bring the point out of "his return Date".
 
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Addressing the OP, good topic, and a good post. not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this.
the "logos" is JESUS who is God, one persaon, who spoke at Genesis 1:1, the ordinal First, the Holy Spirit. and Jesus who is God, that spoke at Genesis 1:1 is his own equal share of himself "manifested" in flesh in the likeness of his own image, "man", at John 1:1.

for the WORD of GOD is God himself, now made manifested/visible in flesh as you stated scripture correctly, (John 1:14).

we disagree with Thayer, and others, in name identification only. GOD, who is JESUS is "Salvation", and Jesus do not = Jehovah. for it's not/salvation in any other Name under heaven where by men may be saved, (see Acts 4:12, and Philippians 2:10).

and we need to correct this name "Jehovah", for God's holy name is JESUS. for it is GOD who saves, not Jehovah.

PICJAG.


You are correct, in there are some that disagree with the Thayer definition, but there are always disagreements when it comes to the Word of God.

I agree, it is GOD who saves, and His "Name" is Jesus (which means Jehovah Salvation).

As you know, the name has meaning, much like the name Judah means "Praise". Which is why they sent up Judah/Praise first, because the battle was already won...

Judges 1:1-2 Now after the death of Joshua it came to pass, that the children of Israel asked the LORD, saying, Who shall go up for us against the Canaanites first, to fight against them? And the LORD said, Judah shall go up: behold, I have delivered the land into his hand.

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I may be out of context or too 'light' for some but I loved C.S. Lewis's version of the 'creation' of Narnia in the first of the Chronicles 'The Magician's Nephew' Where are Aslan dances and sings flowers and trees appear as he goes. It is a lovely passage and I like to think that Jesus created everything with joy and singing.
 

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You are correct, in there are some that disagree with the Thayer definition, but there are always disagreements when it comes to the Word of God.

I agree, it is God who saves, and His "Name" is Jesus (which means Jehovah Salvation). Much like the name Judah means "Praise". Which is why they sent up Judah/Praise first, because the battle was already won...

Judges 1:1-2 Now after the death of Joshua it came to pass, that the children of Israel asked the LORD, saying, Who shall go up for us against the Canaanites first, to fight against them? And the LORD said, Judah shall go up: behold, I have delivered the land into his hand.

Thanks!
thanks for the reply, Yes I agree that have been some disagreement over the Word/Logos at Genesis 1:1, but for me, that has been resolved. for in Genesis 1:1 the The Lord, the Logos/the Word is right there. but not there, (Spirit). what do we mean? in Genesis 1:1 there are two letters that reveals the whole thing. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." in the Hebrew, it is written this way,
1: b·rashith in·beginning בָּ רָ א bra he-created אֱ הִ ים aleim Elohim אֵ ת ath » הַ שָּׁ מַ יִ ם e·shmim the·heavens וְ אֵ ת u·ath and·» הָ אָ רֶ ץ e·artz the·earth :

these two letters אֵ ת are not words but letters, and are not translated in our bibles, because they are only letters, but what loudness do they speak. these two letters tell the whole thing concering the word who is the Logos. these two letters are in the Hebrew the Aleph (א) and the Tav (ת), which is the "FIRST" and the "LAST" letters of the Hebrew alphabet. in the Greek it is the Alpha, Aleph (א), and the Omega, the Tav (ת). in English it is the First, the ordinal First, the Aleph (א), and the Last, the ordinal Last, the Tav (ת). or the Beginning, the Aleph (א), and the End, the Tav (ת). are we getting this?.

now understand this, the "Father", the First, the Aleph (א) and the "Son", the Last, the Tav (ת). and we have the Root, the Father, the Aleph (א). and the "Son", the Offspring, the Tav (ת). see it now? lets put the icing on the cake. one cannot separate their word from them. if I say, "Hello", is this user speaking, or is this nancy speaking, or is it 101G who said "hello". it's 101G, right. well when God spoke in Genesis, it's God own Word. it's him just like John 1:1 states. but now we must understand is the Aleph (א) and the Tav (ת) two seperate and distinct persons, or is the Aleph (א) and the Tav (ת) "ONE" person. let the evidence speak for itself.
our evidence is in the word "WITH". follow the evidence.

Evidence #1. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." do we see the word, "WITH" here in John 1:1? so is the Word that was "WITH" God is one person and God another person?. is "with" indicatiing two separate persons, or is "with" indicatiing one person only? well lets examine Evidence #2, and understand how "with" works.

Evidence #2 Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." here the "First" is the Aleph (א), and the "Last" is the Tav (ת). and Isaiah said that I the LORD, a single person designation is the "First, the Aleph (א), and that the same LORD is the "Last" is the Tav (ת). so do the word "With" here as in John 1:1 indicate two separate persons? no, and here's why it do not, lets examine Evidence #3.

Evidence #3. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO. there one have it, the First, the Aleph (א) and the Last, the Tav (ת), is the SAME "ONE" PERSON. must we say any more? "I am he; I am the first, I also am the last "also" lets us know that the First is also the Last.

I AM .... IS "ALSO" the Last?, that's the game changer. for "ALSO" clearly determines what the "WITH" indicate in both John 1:1 and Isaiah 41:4 means, concering the First and the Last. it's the identification of the WORD/LOGOS, to come manifested in flesh later. for at Genesis 1:1 the Logos/Word is Spirit, as in Holy Spirit... ;) the only TRUE and LIVING GOD, JESUS.

see at Genesis 1:1, the Word/Logos is "abstract", not seen, invisible, only spoken to hear, but no one was there to hear. but at John 1:1 not only did someone hear, but also see. supportive scripture, 1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;"
1 John 1:2 "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)"
1 John 1:3 "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."
1 John 1:4 "And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full." ... BINGO.

see, John was not at Genesis 1:1, to handle, to see, nor hear. but what was at Genesis 1:1, now John declear..... :) for he touched, seen and heard what, or who was at Genesis 1:1.

for what was manifested at John 1:1 is what was recorded at Genesis 1:1, and clearly defined in Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" ... BEING, is present tense, the Word/Logos/the Lord have the same "EQUAL" nature, (Spirit), now only equally "shared" in flesh and blood in likeness of his image.... MAN. John 1:14 is fulfilled as he spoke in Genesis 1:26 & 27. notice, HE Spoke, not they spoke, but him, as Genesis 1:27 clearly states, and as Matthews 19:4 records.

so the Logos/the Word is the "EQUAL" share of GOD himself, (the Spirit), diversified in Flesh. no second person, nor a third, only another of himself as the bible clearly states, the G243 allos of his ownself, (see Isaiah 63:5).

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Jesus was not from eternity as a person, he was in the plan and mind of the Almighty/LORD of Hosts from the beginning...
You should have quit promoting this nonsense already. The Word (Logos) of God was a divine person from eternity past, and that is very clear from John 1:1. But you continue to try and muddy the waters, even after quoting from Thayer's Greek Lexicon:"used of Christ, denotes the only begotten Son of God", which directly connects to John 1:1. (I have capitalized "Son" since "only begotten: means "uniquely begotten").
 

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You should have quit promoting this nonsense already. The Word (Logos) of God was a divine person from eternity past, and that is very clear from John 1:1. But you continue to try and muddy the waters, even after quoting from Thayer's Greek Lexicon:"used of Christ, denotes the only begotten Son of God", which directly connects to John 1:1. (I have capitalized "Son" since "only begotten: means "uniquely begotten").


Are we to take YOUR word for it? simply because YOU say, "divine person from eternity past".


In the Old Testament, God’s Word (dabar in Hebrew) was not a distinct person but was God speaking, acting, or disclosing Himself...

Psalms 107:20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


God’s Word was the expression of God’s mind, thought, and purpose, which was God Himself...

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is ONE LORD:


The Hebrews knew that God stands alone and by Himself: no one is beside Him, no one is like Him, no one is His equal, and no one helped Him create the world...

Isaiah 37:16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.

Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.


Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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Let's take a look at Logos in Creation. We open our Bibles to the book of Genesis and John.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word(G3056) was with God, and the Word was God.

The definition of G3056 is as follows:

λόγος
logos

Thayer Definition:
1) of speech
1a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
1b) what someone has said


God spoke with "logos" (speech) thus created....

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Later, in the New Testament we read...

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten(G3439) of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The definition of begotten is as follows:

G3439
μονογενής
monogenēs

Thayer Definition:
1) single of its kind, only
1a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
1b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God

Jesus was not from eternity as a person, he was in the plan and mind of the Almighty/LORD of Hosts from the beginning, he was crucified from the foundation of the world, and although there were various "theophanies" (manifestations) of God before the Incarnation (as the burning bush, pillar of fire and cloud, etc.), he did not become a "person" until the birth from the virgin, Mary.

The Logos in creation is, the LORD of Hosts spake, "Let there be light" and there was light. The spoken word/logos became flesh and dwelt among us.

Now let's take a look at Isaiah 12:2, "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation."

The new Testament says this...

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (G2424): for he shall save his people from their sins.

The definition of JESUS is as follows:

G2424
Ἰησοῦς
Iēsous

Thayer Definition:
Jesus = “Jehovah is salvation”


God Bless!
Many say the spoken word of God is the flesh of a person of God. The word of God is not a person, but a way God makes persons.
 
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@user, and @Enoch111.

THERE IS ONLY ONE WITH ETERNAL LIFE, AND ONLY ONE IN ETERINITY. 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

now if one say well the Father is eternal, well that's JESUS, or if sonme one say the Holy Spirit is Eternal, well that's Jesus. see, JESUS was in the OT without flesh, without bone, and without blood, supportive scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:"
1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit, was in the Prophets in the OT. and there is only "ONE" Spirit.

what user was saying about the words out of God mouth, it was Jesus who word it was. listen in every prophet. Who is the "WORD?"

Genesis 15:1 "After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward."
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

Exodus 19:7 "And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him."
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

1 Samuel 15:10 "Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,"
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

1 Kings 6:11 "And the word of the LORD came to Solomon, saying,"
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

1 Kings 16:1 "Then the word of the LORD came to Jehu the son of Hanani against Baasha, saying,"
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

1 Kings 21:17 "And the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying,"
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

Isaiah 38:4 "Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,"
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

Jeremiah 14:1 "The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah concerning the dearth."
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

Ezekiel 1:3 "The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him."
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

Hosea 1:1 "The word of the LORD that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel."
what did Peter say, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them"

it goes on, and on, with prophet after prophet. the "WORD" of the LORD is the LORD himself. and the apostle Peter said it best, "the Spirit of Christ which was in them". and Christ is JESUS. so Jesus was in the OT, but not Christ.


when people open their eyes to the truth, then the bible become clear and easy to understand.

PICJAG.