Did Jesus have faith ?

ChristisGod · Sep 6, 2020

Did Jesus have Faith ?

1-Jesus used the word pistis or its derivatives a total of 41 times. Look it up in your concordance if you own one.
2- Every time Jesus used the word He was talking about someone else’s faith and not “ His Faith “
3- Jesus never used the faith in the first person referring to His “ Faith “.
4- No book in the entire NT ever refers to “ Jesus Faith “
5- Jesus is always the object of Faith never the recipient of faith
6- All the Apostles refers to their own faith in Christ .
7- Saving Faith is in Christ alone
8- God has no need for Faith
9- The Savior has no need for faith since He is not a sinner and He is God
10- Faith is needed for sinners alone and not the Holy Son of God who was / is Impeccable

Faith is the belief in things unseen. Remember the words of the Author of Hebrews: “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen” (11:1).

hope this helps !!!

CadyandZoe · Sep 6, 2020

Christophany said:
Did Jesus have Faith ?

1-Jesus used the word pistis or its derivatives a total of 41 times. Look it up in your concordance if you own one.
2- Every time Jesus used the word He was talking about someone else’s faith and not “ His Faith “
3- Jesus never used the faith in the first person referring to His “ Faith “.
4- No book in the entire NT ever refers to “ Jesus Faith “
5- Jesus is always the object of Faith never the recipient of faith
6- All the Apostles refers to their own faith in Christ .
7- Saving Faith is in Christ alone
8- God has no need for Faith
9- The Savior has no need for faith since He is not a sinner and He is God
10- Faith is needed for sinners alone and not the Holy Son of God who was / is Impeccable

Faith is the belief in things unseen. Remember the words of the Author of Hebrews: “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen” (11:1).

hope this helps !!!

I can't imagine that Jesus didn't affirm the veracity of the scriptures or that he didn't trust God.

shortangel · Sep 6, 2020

yes i think Jesus had faith

he had the power to heal the sick, cleanse lepers, raise the dead, feed 5,0000 people by a few loaves of bread & fish

ChristisGod · Sep 6, 2020

shortangel said:
yes i think Jesus had faith he had the power to heal the sick, cleanse lepers, raise the dead, feed 5,0000 people by a few loaves of bread & fish

Thats because He was God Incarnate.

Enoch111 · Sep 6, 2020

Christophany said:
Did Jesus have Faith ?

It would be rather absurd to suggest that God has faith in Himself. God and Christ are the object of faith for human beings.

So where do people come up with these absurdities?

Enoch111 · Sep 6, 2020

shortangel said:
yes i think Jesus had faith he had the power to heal the sick, cleanse lepers, raise the dead, feed 5,0000 people by a few loaves of bread & fish

That is NOT faith but divine power.

shortangel · Sep 6, 2020

good points

Enoch111 · Sep 6, 2020

CadyandZoe said:
I can't imagine that Jesus didn't affirm the veracity of the scriptures or that he didn't trust God.

Since Christ is in the Father, and the Father is in Him, the question of trusting God does not even arise. And since the eternal Word of God (Christ) gave men the written Word of God, the veracity of Scripture was a given for Jesus of Nazareth. Hence He always said "It is written", meaning that what is written has divine authority and infallibility.

CadyandZoe · Sep 6, 2020

Enoch111 said:
Since Christ is in the Father, and the Father is in Him, the question of trusting God does not even arise. And since the eternal Word of God (Christ) gave men the written Word of God, the veracity of Scripture was a given for Jesus of Nazareth. Hence He always said "It is written", meaning that what is written has divine authority and infallibility.

Either Christ believed the scriptures or he didn't. Either Christ trusted in God's promises or he didn't.

When Jesus died on the cross, who did he trust to bring him back from the dead?

ChristisGod · Sep 6, 2020

CadyandZoe said:
Either Christ believed the scriptures or he didn't. Either Christ trusted in God's promises or he didn't.

When Jesus died on the cross, who did he trust to bring him back from the dead?

Please show us from scripture where Jesus had faith, thanks !

And while you are at it show us where Jesus trusted in " Gods promise " ?

CadyandZoe · Sep 6, 2020

Christophany said:
Please show us from scripture where Jesus had faith, thanks !

And while you are at it show us where Jesus trusted in " Gods promise " ?

I'm very surprised to read these questions. Honestly. Okay. There must be hundreds of examples, but I will chose two.

Jesus believes the scriptures:
John 10:34-36
Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

In the passage above, we have a clear demonstration of the fact that Jesus not only believed the scriptures, he held that the Hebrew Scriptures were infallible.

Jesus trusting the Father:
Luke 22:41-43
And He withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and began to pray, saying, “Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.” Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him.

Again, we have a clear demonstration of Jesus' trust of the Father.

Jesus believed the scriptures and he trusted the Father.

Enoch111 · Sep 6, 2020

CadyandZoe said:
Either Christ believed the scriptures or he didn't. Either Christ trusted in God's promises or he didn't.

As I already explained, that was a given. The Word of God gave men the Word of God.

When Jesus died on the cross, who did he trust to bring him back from the dead?

Here's the thing about the resurrection of Christ. All three persons of the Godhead were involved. Christ said that He Himself would bring about His own resurrection (John 2:18-22). Indeed He declared that He Himself was "the Resurrection and the Life" (John 11:25,26). At the same time in Psalm 16:8-11 (quoted in Acts 2:25-28) Christ addresses God the Father as the one who will raise Him. And then we have Scriptures telling us that the Holy Spirit raised Christ from the dead (Rom 8:11; 1 Pet 3:18)

Episkopos · Sep 6, 2020

Of course Jesus had faith. He only did what He saw His Father doing.

Jesus was fully man. And if Jesus didn't walk by faith (and faithfulness) then we could never walk in the Spirit by the faith OF Christ.

In the Spirit we take on His life and His faith.

Or do people think we can move mountains by a strictly human faith?

The faith of Jesus is that which connects us to God in Spirit and truth. Our beliefs are mere speculations...although we can trust in God...a God that we trust is there. Only the faith OF Jesus sees.

ChristisGod · Sep 6, 2020

Episkopos said:
Of course Jesus had faith. He only did what He saw His Father doing.

Jesus was fully man. And if Jesus didn't walk by faith (and faithfulness) then we could never walk in the Spirit by the faith OF Christ.

In the Spirit we take on His life and His faith.

Or do people think we can move mountains by a strictly human faith?

The faith of Jesus is that which connects us to God in Spirit and truth. Our beliefs are mere speculations...although we can trust in God...a God that we trust is there. Only the faith OF Jesus sees.

Care to provide Scripture stating " Jesus had faith " ?

Why assume things Scripture does not say ?

Episkopos · Sep 6, 2020

Christophany said:
Care to provide Scripture stating " Jesus had faith " ?

Why assume things Scripture does not say ?

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

ChristisGod · Sep 6, 2020

Episkopos said:
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

since when does the Son doing the Fathers will take faith ?

He always did the fathers will 24/7. He always knew the Fathers will as the Son.

quietthinker · Sep 6, 2020

Christophany said:
Did Jesus have Faith ?

1-Jesus used the word pistis or its derivatives a total of 41 times. Look it up in your concordance if you own one.
2- Every time Jesus used the word He was talking about someone else’s faith and not “ His Faith “
3- Jesus never used the faith in the first person referring to His “ Faith “.
4- No book in the entire NT ever refers to “ Jesus Faith “
5- Jesus is always the object of Faith never the recipient of faith
6- All the Apostles refers to their own faith in Christ .
7- Saving Faith is in Christ alone
8- God has no need for Faith
9- The Savior has no need for faith since He is not a sinner and He is God
10- Faith is needed for sinners alone and not the Holy Son of God who was / is Impeccable

Faith is the belief in things unseen. Remember the words of the Author of Hebrews: “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen” (11:1).

hope this helps !!!

You muddy clear waters Christophany....you sow doubt and confusion.....you use the rational of one who does not see.

ChristisGod · Sep 6, 2020

quietthinker said:
You muddy clear waters Christophany....you show doubt and confusion.....you use the rational of one who does not see.

then refute points 1-10 and prove them wrong with Scripture to correct me.

1-Jesus used the word pistis or its derivatives a total of 41 times. Look it up in your concordance if you own one.
2- Every time Jesus used the word He was talking about someone else’s faith and not “ His Faith “
3- Jesus never used the faith in the first person referring to His “ Faith “.
4- No book in the entire NT ever refers to “ Jesus Faith “
5- Jesus is always the object of Faith never the recipient of faith
6- All the Apostles refers to their own faith in Christ .
7- Saving Faith is in Christ alone
8- God has no need for Faith
9- The Savior has no need for faith since He is not a sinner and He is God
10- Faith is needed for sinners alone and not the Holy Son of God who was / is Impeccable

quietthinker · Sep 6, 2020

Christophany said:
then refute points 1-10 and prove them wrong with Scripture to correct me.

1-Jesus used the word pistis or its derivatives a total of 41 times. Look it up in your concordance if you own one.
2- Every time Jesus used the word He was talking about someone else’s faith and not “ His Faith “
3- Jesus never used the faith in the first person referring to His “ Faith “.
4- No book in the entire NT ever refers to “ Jesus Faith “
5- Jesus is always the object of Faith never the recipient of faith
6- All the Apostles refers to their own faith in Christ .
7- Saving Faith is in Christ alone
8- God has no need for Faith
9- The Savior has no need for faith since He is not a sinner and He is God
10- Faith is needed for sinners alone and not the Holy Son of God who was / is Impeccable

Refuting in this case is not a solution. All it does is make many words. It goes down a convoluted rabbit hole designed to distract and waste precious time, energy and focus.

You can be assured that Jesus had faith in his Father. He trusted in the reality which he knew was permanent and he appeals to us to learn from him.

ChristisGod · Sep 6, 2020

quietthinker said:
Refuting in this case is not a solution. All it does is make many words. It goes down a convoluted rabbit hole designed to distract and waste precious time, energy and focus.

You can be assured that Jesus had faith in his Father. He trusted in the reality which he knew was permanent and he appeals to us to learn from him.

One factor to take into account for is that "faith" is never attributed to Jesus Christ as mentioned in the OP. This is odd, for pistis and its cognates are the dominant words for "faith" and "believing." One could never have asked of Jesus, "Do you believe in God? Do you have faith in God?" Why not? Because he is the Savior to whom faith points! He had every confidence, trust, that the Father's will would be done through him, even when the moments were dark. However, "faith" and "believing" are soteric catogeries, pointing to deliverance from sin through God's promises FULFILLED IN THE MESSIAH. Was Jesus to have faith in himself?

Jesus was in constant communion with the Father; he revealed all things to the Son. The Father-Son relationship, in my view, precludes faith and in the NT Christ is always the object of faith.

It is odd that the NT never attributes “believing” or “faith” to Christ as an action. There is a reason for this- it is not a pure argument from silence- namely, that Jesus is the object of faith. It is this that makes the “silence” of pistis so deafeningly loud! The Son trusted that all things in respect of his Messiahship would be fulfilled by the Father in him; and they were. Jesus was the Messiah, and sinners believe in Him as God.

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