Write My Laws on Your Hearts

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Have you noticed that the Jeremiah prophecy speaks of "law" singular, not "laws" plural? Wouldn't the singular indicate the entire body of legislation?
Another question, what makes a "law"? Isn't a law an edict enforced by courts?
I wonder if these two questions have a bearing on your question?

I suppose Gentile believers can claim to have the "law" written on their heart if the definition of "law" is restricted to love God and love neighbor. But are they talking about the law or the fruit of the Spirit? Didn't Paul say that if we are being led by the spirit we are not under the law? Galatians 5:16-24
Something I see when I read these passages about God writing His law on Israel's hearts, is that they will all of them keep every law and statute. The Entire Law.

This is something I've been thinking about for some time now. I hear people talk about God writing His Law on gentiles hearts when they become Christians, but all I can find in the Bible is that God does this for Israel when He returns.

In the fruit of the Spirit, yes, this is fully separated from 'law', it seems to me.

These are interesting questions, what makes a Law, and is it enforced?

For 'law', I'd say this mean God's decrees, the laws and statutes of the Mosaic covenant. One might also be able to make a case for saying, "the Law and the Prophets".

Enforcement was according to the Law as well, from restitution to capital punishment, on an individual level. But there was also enforcement on a national level, that if the nation kept the law, they would receive the blessings, and if it didn't they would receive the curses.

It's interesting to me that during the millennium, it seems that Israel will receive all the blessings of their covenant.

The way I see it is that,

Isaiah 59
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.

When Jesus returns, all of Israel is reborn, and for them, this means that God not only gives them rebirth, He also writes His Law on their hearts, and they begin to perfectly keep all of the Law. And in keeping the entire Law, they receive all the blessing.

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What was said to the Jews, the Gentiles inherited as they are grafted into Israel. The laws written on our hearts were the eternal laws of God: Love God with all your heart, mind and body, and your love neighbor as yourself. It is a mistake to believe they were the Ten Commandments. How can you write the Sabbath day into your nature? Do you just know when the Sabbath begins and ends? Or must that be a learned behavior not written on our heart, and merely a "work" of the law of Moses. Besides, in the 10C you couldn't murder or commit adultery, but nothing was done about inner hatred or lust. But the eternal laws of God take care of them by His Spirit. (If one HAS His Spirit.)

The Lord's Sabbath rest and his peace would definitely be in our hearts. But perhaps not the weekly observance there-of.
 

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For years I thought these were unsaved Gentiles that were a law unto themselves, but no. These are grafted in Gentiles to the Church, without the Jewish law, but the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

How could I miss this for so long! Actually decades! I've only seen the truth for a couple months!

for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature (BORN AGAIN!!!) do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

You need to go back to the context. This chapter is the reasoning of how it is that all are condemned by God, whether the Jew, who has the Law, and is condemned by the Law, or the Gentile, who does not have the law, but "which show the work of the law written on their hearts".

Romans 2
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

I've colored the text to highlight the paranthetical portion.

Something I think that shows this is not born again gentiles perfectly keeping Law is, their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another, accusing would show violations of the law, wouldn't it?

This paranthetical part is to give more information to the previous statement, "as many as have sinned without the Law shall perish without Law". He's saying, they still know right from wrong.

An interesting thing here is, "accusing" is in the Active voice, they do this to others. Defending is in the Middle voice, they are defending themselves.

The gentiles have "the work of the Law" (not, "the law") written in their hearts, and you can always tell, because they are quick to tell you how it is they are in the right, and how it is that others are in the wrong.

And is that not so? That seems to me to be how people are.

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I'm not seeing anything here about laws written on the hearts of born again gentiles. Can you highlight what you are seeing?



Same question . . . can you highlight in the above passage about laws written on the hearts of gentiles at rebirth?

Quite the chapter, again, same question though.



This may be the place most are familiar with. This is addressed specifically to Israel though.

Much love!

Have you never heard that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile???
 

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You need to go back to the context. This chapter is the reasoning of how it is that all are condemned by God, whether the Jew, who has the Law, and is condemned by the Law, or the Gentile, who does not have the law, but "which show the work of the law written on their hearts".

Romans 2
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

I've colored the text to highlight the paranthetical portion.

Something I think that shows this is not born again gentiles perfectly keeping Law is, their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another, accusing would show violations of the law, wouldn't it?

This paranthetical part is to give more information to the previous statement, "as many as have sinned without the Law shall perish without Law". He's saying, they still know right from wrong.

An interesting thing here is, "accusing" is in the Active voice, they do this to others. Defending is in the Middle voice, they are defending themselves.

The gentiles have "the work of the Law" (not, "the law") written in their hearts, and you can always tell, because they are quick to tell you how it is they are in the right, and how it is that others are in the wrong.

And is that not so? That seems to me to be how people are.

Much love!

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the (Jewish) law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
 

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The Lord's Sabbath rest and his peace would definitely be in our hearts. But perhaps not the weekly observance there-of.

A law requiring a staunch ritual is a work of the law.

Christ's rest is His Spirit in us that changed our nature from the carnal old man to the divine nature of God. Now, instead of having to keep laws that run against our carnal nature, we NATURALLY keep the righteous requirements of the law by instinct.
 

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This seems to:

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
thats what a search of the sentence turned up :)
 
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Has Paul argued that the Gentiles have the law written on their hearts or "the work of the law" written on their hearts? What is the "work" of the law?
That's a question I've been considering also.

The work of the law has to be different from the law itself, right? I've looked at the Greek, it's fairly basic, that's a good translation.

"Work" is from Ergon, a noun.

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CharismaticLady said:
As far as what I see about you, you have the actual eternal laws of God written on your heart and love Jesus, but you mistakenly think they are the 10C, so therefore add the Sabbath which was the sign of the Old Covenant, but not the New. The Cup of the New Covenant is the sign of the New.


My dear, The Sabbath was a sign of the everlasting covenant as are the other Commandments written on the heart. You have created a split not created by scripture regarding this......you are doing the enemies bidding re this.

And why is it that you object to The Sabbath Commandment as included with the other nine? Surely God spoke them together and wrote them with his own finger.
Jesus made them honourable and was without sin for it is by the Law that sin is determined yet you find objection.....a strange enchantment, nay seduction!
This is one of the reasons I question this idea of God "writing His Law on the hearts of Christian gentiles, in that invariably people will then go on to carve up the Law into chunks so they can discard some.

That doesn't seem right to me. But that does seem to lead into seduction, the lure of self-righteousness without the parts that would condemn someone!

You can't have "part" of the Law, Per James.

Much love!
 

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Now in Jeremiah 31:34 it is a very unique passage of scripture.
It is a prophecy...about the future.
The end of the caste based lifestyle that the Israelites lived in.

Under the Old Covenant a Levite Priest was needed to have access to the written Torah(Law) and for the forgiveness of sins...
The most anyone (who wasn't a Levite Priest or Rabbi) could do was to tell someone else "Know The LORD" .
You couldn't recite scripture to anyone who was not your slave or child. Doing so would obviously be a huge insult... even if you knew they didn't know the Torah.

Also there was no forgiveness of sins without a sacrifice and a priest to place it on the Altar. One of the Old Testament kings had an Earthquake and spot of Leprosy appear because he decided that he could place his own sacrifice on the Altar.

Now before a Levite could be a Priest he had to have a ceremonial bath...just like Moses did for Aaron. And today we call this practice a Baptism. Which is why the Ethiopian Eunuch wanted to be Baptized so he could relate, with authorization and the right to, all he had learned from Phillip to his Queen and the rest of Ethiopia.

Today we refer to this right and ability of scripture handling and seeking forgiveness for our sins ourselves without an intermediary as the doctrine of the Priesthood of Every Believer.
It was instituted by John the Baptist...
And this very thing led Jesus to say: " Of those born among women there has been none greater than John".

That's very high praise coming from God himself now isn't it?
This brings up a good point too! Unless we are to carve the Law into pieces, and discard some, in this case, the sacrifices, all the temple worship, these cannot be kept, there is no temple. No altar.

I like thought on the end of the caste system.

Zechariah 14
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

Every horse and every cooking pot in Jerusalem will be for temple worship. Every cooking pot to seethe the sacrifices. This will be a kingdom of priests.

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Now in Jeremiah 31:34 it is a very unique passage of scripture.
It is a prophecy...about the future.
Hi John,

Yet another good point in your post, when this will happen, this "writing the Law".

We have some clues.

Jeremiah 31
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Ezekiel 36
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
33 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

Isaiah 59
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.

It seems to me these all speak of the same time.

How it seems to me is that when Jesus returns, He will gather all of Israel to their land, and they will all be reborn. In their rebirth, God will write their minds and hearts to by nature do all the requirements of the covenant made at Horeb, and they will all keep them. And in God's part of the covenant, they will be extraordinarly blessed, the head of nations, fabulously rich, all of it.

All nations will come to faithful Israel to worship God Who lives there.

The Kingdom of God come at last!

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Have you never heard that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile???
Is this a productive question? I'm sure you know the answer. Yes, I've read in the Bible that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

But I'm unclear on how you make the connection between something that is prophesied to happen to a certain nation at a given time, to happening to people of all nations during a different period of time?

Much love!
 
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This is one of the reasons I question this idea of God "writing His Law on the hearts of Christian gentiles, in that invariably people will then go on to carve up the Law into chunks so they can discard some.

That doesn't seem right to me. But that does seem to lead into seduction, the lure of self-righteousness without the parts that would condemn someone!

You can't have "part" of the Law, Per James.

Much love!
I have parts of the law of Moses written on my heart. I suspect many people here do and may not know it. For example, take this one.

Deuteronomy 22:8 When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.

First take the "letter" of that commandment. In the cultural context when that was written, many people used their roof for eating and even sleeping. If you had a roof used for living like that, you were supposed to have a wall around it so people couldn't fall off. Children easily could. Someone with a few drinks could. How high should the wall be? If you were Jewish, the Sanhedrin told you how high it should be for you to obey this law.

When the cultural context changed, the Sanhedrin was expected to change the way the various laws were interpreted. Thus today, in a society where few people use their roofs like that, walls would not be required. A flat roof built to withstand the pressure of people walking on it should still have walls, of course; but "obeying the letter of the law" would make no sense if you had no flat roofs. I don't know if the Sanhedrin has issued any edicts about swimming pools; but I would say that law does apply to modern swimming pools. If you own a pool, you have an obligation to prevent accidental drowning by having a fence or wall around it so that children or drunks don't wander in, get in it and drown. That is the "spirit" of that particular law. When you are building something, the Eternal Law of Love dictates that you try to make it safe for others. The particular law about walls on your roofs is meant to teach you that.

Someone with intelligence and who loves does not need the law of Moses to tell him he should have a fence around his swimming pool to keep the neighborhood kids from wandering in at night and drowning. It's common sense; and anyone who loves his neighbor never needed that law to begin with. That law was for either people without sense or for people without enough love for their fellow man to care about such things.

This may look trivial at first, but it shows the truth behind Jesus' statement that all the laws of Moses were about love. Most governments still make laws based on common sense and love -- they are not based on legislators' understanding of the laws of Moses -- but they still show evidence of that "law" being written on the heart. So we have laws telling us we must rid sidewalks of snow within so many hours after a storm ends. We have laws to protect against ice and snow falling off roofs onto pedestrians.

So how smart and loving are Christians? Can they look at the laws of Moses and understand the love in them, or do some of the laws seem obscure, foolish, arbitrary? Those laws can still be studied to our benefit. It can be difficult though since we may lack the cultural context Moses wrote in. Understanding some of them is possible by studying Jewish thought.

Let me give an example. What was the reason men were forbidden to dress like women? This is not an arbitrary rule, saying by the letter that certain clothes are wrong for men but okay for women. It is firmly based in a cultural context -- and it makes sense if you understand the context. Young women and married women were viewed as prey by some men. There would be men who dress up like women so they could enter the houses without anyone noticing a "man" was entering the house. Neighbors might see them but think it was just another woman. Servants might be in the home or other family members; but they might not think anything nefarious was going on so a man could slip into an area of the house to meet a vulnerable woman so he could seduce her.

Then there were men interested in oral sex with other men. They would dress up like woman and offer men oral sex. My guess is some of these men really dolled themselves up -- since pagan temples often had men dressed up like women -- but there, you knew what you were getting.

Don't tell me it's impossible to fool a man since I knew a man who was fooled like that. He thought a woman was offering him oral sex so he said okay. He learned midway through it was a man since the man confessed up to it; but at that point, he was aroused and didn't care.

Today we sometimes men dressing like women to do other things -- like planting bombs. It got bad enough in Egypt, that Cairo University banned wearing veils since it was too easy for terrorists to pass themselves off as women. I also read once about a terrorist trying to escape dressing like a woman. That law about men dressing like women is about love -- and about how it's wrong to use clothes to deceive others.
 

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Is this a productive question? I'm sure you know the answer. Yes, I've read in the Bible that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

But I'm unclear on how you make the connection between something that is prophesied to happen to a certain nation at a given time, to happening to people of all nations during a different period of time?

Much love!

I gave you my answer; take it or leave it. If you don't understand it, fine. Because I don't care to argue with you. Your on your own.
 
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The law of Torah should be put on those who have both healthy body & spiritual. No one can obey the law of Torah if they're sick, do they ?
That's why Jesus was concern about the sickens that being put into the strict measurement of the law, but why did Jesus used the sickens (Matthew 9:13) then ?
Its all just to test the priests and all religious leaders, do they have a compassion or not ?
Since OC many religious leaders are put the sickens as a person of being cursed, and they always used them as a burnt offerings. Can you feel there is something wrong with them ? Yes, they don't have a heart. That's why many scribes are not take their religion with their heart, but they were doing man-made rituals that put away their heart and love of God and thy neighbours.

So, with these two main laws of Jesus (Matthew 22:34-40), Jesus was accept other nations and religion (Titus 2:11) as one law. Whosoever doeth this they are the children of God (Acts 10:34-36).
Between churches itself, let there be no more division among you because all churches both Catholic & Protestant baptism are all the same before God.

Ephesians 4:3-7 (BBE)
3. Taking care to keep the harmony of the Spirit in the yoke of peace.
4. There is one body and one Spirit, even as you have been marked out by God in the one hope of his purpose for you;
5. One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6. One God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.
7. But to every one of us has grace been given in the measure of the giving of Christ.

All churches have the same Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:12-14 (BBE)
12. For as the body is one, and has a number of parts, and all the parts make one body, so is Christ.
13. For through the baptism of the one Spirit we were all formed into one body, Jews or Greeks, servants or free men, and were all made full of the same Spirit.
14. For the body is not one part, but a number of parts.
 

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He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us . . .

But this doesn't say, He wrote His Law in our hearts, that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us.

It looks like along with Law being singular, so is "righteous requirement" singular.

What is the "righteous requirement" of the Law? I don't imagine that it's less than God's standard, like where He says, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

This whole section of Scripture, it seems to me, is talking about how God has freed us from our flesh, and given us a new life. It seems to me, as I read these things, that what is being written in my mind and heart, to use that expression, is the image of Christ, and not the written statutes and ordinances of the Jewish Law.

If the righteous requirement of the Law is to not fall short of God's glory, then being transformed into the image of Christ would be the quickest route there, would it not?

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He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us . . .

But this doesn't say, He wrote His Law in our hearts, that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us.

It looks like along with Law being singular, so is "righteous requirement" singular.

What is the "righteous requirement" of the Law? I don't imagine that it's less than God's standard, like where He says, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

This whole section of Scripture, it seems to me, is talking about how God has freed us from our flesh, and given us a new life. It seems to me, as I read these things, that what is being written in my mind and heart, to use that expression, is the image of Christ, and not the written statutes and ordinances of the Jewish Law.

If the righteous requirement of the Law is to not fall short of God's glory, then being transformed into the image of Christ would be the quickest route there, would it not?

Much love!

Just curious. Do you know what laws are written on our hearts? The Ten Commandments? Not! Also, are you part of the New Covenant with Israel or not?
 

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The Lord's Sabbath rest and his peace would definitely be in our hearts. But perhaps not the weekly observance there-of.
This is something I notice in the prophecies, that when God writes His law in their hearts, they will keep it, all of it. So no "ropes around the neighborhood" for the Sabbath, only food prepared in advance, and all the rest. No cheating!

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I have parts of the law of Moses written on my heart. I suspect many people here do and may not know it. For example, take this one.

I don't see the divisions in the Mosaic Law, any more than I think I could go to my landlord, and tell him we'd like to have provisions 3,5,6, and 9 on our rental agreement, but not the others.

I think that we have social and cultural mores and taboos. I think that we have our conscience with a basic sense of right and wrong.

OK, here is an example. There are a number of commonalities between the Mosiac Law, and the Code of Hammurabi. But this doesn't mean that the Code of Hammurabi is written into the Mosaic Law. So there may be some commonality between our conscience, and the Mosiac Law, and there is also likely commonality between our conscience and the Code of Hammurabi, but that doesn't mean that our consciences contain either, any more than it means that the Code of Hammurabi is written into the Mosaic Law.

This may look trivial at first, but it shows the truth behind Jesus' statement that all the laws of Moses were about love.
I don't think this is trivial at all! But rather than writing these lists of laws in our hearts, instead, recreate us to be loving people, right?

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I gave you my answer; take it or leave it. If you don't understand it, fine. Because I don't care to argue with you. Your on your own.
No worries. I'm not here to argue.

I see this as a very valid question in that many people teach this way, yet nothing in the Bible actually says it, and actually seems to say quite otherwise. And this is a great venue to explore questions like this, so long as everyone plays nice.

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