The Bodily Resurrection of Jesus

ChristisGod · Sep 9, 2020

Davy said:
8 - Ah... there is a major difference. Just as those in Christ are called "sons of God", Jesus is The Son of God. Likewise as men are called "son of man", Jesus is called "the Son of man" (Matthew 16:13). You thus do a false comparison, not understanding the Scripture.
10 - GOD The Father is one Person, Jesus Christ The Son is another Person, and The Holy Spirit is another Person. All 3 makeup The Godhead per God's Word. They all work together, but they are all distinct.

Since 8 and 10 tie together I will show you where you have made your errors in thought. Man was created a body, soul and spirit.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

You claim to know Jewish thought and history. So lets see what it actually teaches.

Lets examine some of Jesus declarations about being the son of man (adam, humanity, a human being). He used this term describing His death, burial and Resurrection from the dead. He also used this phrase about His future Kingdom, Reign and Judgment at the end of the age. This would mean that Jesus not only considered Himself to be human while He walked this earth but also in the future at His 2nd Coming in Judgment. He also describes Himself at the right hand of God as a human post Resurrection/ Ascension.

"Son of man" is a common term in the Psalms, used to accentuate the difference between God and human beings. As in Ps. viii. 4 (A. V. 5), the phrase implies "mortality," "impotence," "transientness,"as against the omnipotence and eternality of God. Yhwh looks down from His throne in heaven upon the "children," or "sons," of "man" (Ps. xi. 4, xxxiii. 13). The faithful fail among them (Ps. xii. 2 [A. V. 1]); the seed of Yhwh's enemies will not abide among the "children of men" (Ps. xxi. 10). "Children of men" is thus equivalent to "mankind" (Ps. xxxvi. 8 [A. V. 7], lxvi. 5).
"Sons of men," or "children of men," designates also the slanderers and evil-doers in contrast to the righteous, that is, Israel (Ps. lvii. 5 [A. V. 4], lviii. 2 [A. V. 1]). It occurs most frequently, however, as a synonym for "mankind," "the human race" (Ps. xc. 3, cvii. 8, cxv. 16, cxlv. 12); it has this sense also in the passage in which wisdom is said to delight with the "sons of men" (Prov. viii. 31). Job(xvi. 21) employs the expression in the passionate plea for his rights while he is contending against God and against his neighbors. But Bildad insists that the "son of man," who is a mere worm, can not be justified with God (Job xxv. 4-6). In the same spirit the prophet (Isa. li. 12) censures Israel for being afraid of "the son of man which shall be made as grass" when Yhwh is their Comforter; but in Isa. lvi. 2-3 the Sabbath is extolled as making the "son of man" (i.e., any man, regardless of birth) blessed; indeed, God has His eyes "open upon all the ways of the sons of men: to give every one according to his ways" (Jer. xxxii. 19). Jewish Encyclopedia

Son of man
— (1.) Denotes mankind generally, with special reference to their weakness and frailty (Job 25:6; Ps 8:4; 144:3; 146:3; Isa 51:12, etc.).

(2.) It is a title frequently given to the prophet Ezekiel, probably to remind him of his human weakness.

(3.) In the New Testament it is used forty-three times as a distinctive title of the Saviour. In the Old Testament it is used only in Ps 80:17 and Dan 7:13 with this application. It denotes the true humanity of our Lord. He had a true body (Heb 2:14; Luke 24:39) and a rational soul. He was perfect man.

(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Matt 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Matt 13:40-41
"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.

Matt 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.

Matt 17:9
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead."

Matt 24:27-31
For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 "Immediately after the distress of those days
"'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Matt 24:44
So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

Matt 25:31-33
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Matt 26:64-66
"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66 What do you think?"
"He is worthy of death," they answered.

Acts 7:54-60
When they heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 "Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." When he had said this, he fell asleep.

Rev 14:14
And I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head, and a sharp sickle in His hand.

hope this helps,

Davy · Sep 9, 2020

Christophany said:
Phil 3:20-21
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.

I prefer the KJV Bible translation over the later humanist translations like you are using:

Phil 3:20-21
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.
KJV

That does not prove our flesh is what is raised. It is greater proof of our flesh body being 'changed' to the "image of the heavenly" like Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15:44-50. Even more so with the usage of "vile" about our flesh, i.e. a "vile body" is NOT the resurrection body.

Rom 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who indwells you.

Again, I prefer the KJV...

Rom 8:10-11
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of Him That raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He That raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
KJV

You apparently have not understood that, especially that part in red. Where is it that His Spirit dwells in us? Certainly not of our outward flesh body or shell, for like Lord Jesus said in John 3, that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit. It's not the flesh that is quickened, it is our spirit INSIDE our flesh body that is quickened by His Spirit. When we receive Jesus as The Saviour, it is not our flesh that is "born again" ('born from above' literally in the Greek of John 3), it is our spirit inside our flesh that is born again.

Thus that "mortal bodies" means our spirit inside our flesh body. Apostle Paul covered that idea in 1 Cor.15 too when he said "this mortal" MUST put on "immortality" to have eternal life in Christ Jesus (1 Corinthians 15:53); it is pointing to the condition of one's soul. For the "resurrection of damnation", their souls will still be in a 'mortal' liable to perish state after Christ's return. That is the state of the future unsaved nations during Christ's future Millennial reign with His elect.

marks · Sep 9, 2020

Davy said:
Our Lord Jesus' flesh body was 'transfigured' to the body of the Heavenly, which is a resurrection body. Jesus' resurrected body kept the marks of His crucifixion as a sign forever. But God's Word shows His flesh body was transfigured, or 'quickened' as the KJV defines the idea, to a spirit body:

Hi Davy,

Just to clarify . . . Jesus' body, which was raised, was the same body that died, correct? And it was transformed into a spiritual heavenly body, just like our bodies will be transformed to become like His, is this what you are saying?

Much love!

Davy · Sep 9, 2020

Christophany said:
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Believers bodies will be transformed from its current state which is corrupt, sinful mortal to a body like His which Incorruptible, Holy/Sinless and Immortal in the Resurrection as per 1 Cor 15, Romans 8:11, Phil 3:21.

You are contradicting yourself, because above (in bold) you admit the Resurrection that Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15, which is to "a spiritual body" (1 Cor.15:44-50). Paul in Romans 8 and Phil 3:21 is not contradicting himself. 1 Cor.15 is the actual detail of 'with what body' the resurrection is. Those other verses are not in that kind of detail, and they all must agree with each other. Paul certainly did not contradict himself.

1 Cor 15:42-46
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
KJV

And when we compare the above with Paul in these passages below we see that the body(soma) in the context is a real material body which is physical in the Resurrection but controlled completely by the Spirit in the afterlife.

Natural(psychikos) body
Spiritual(pneumatikos) body

1 Cor 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

Below we see how Paul uses and contrasts the words natural (psychikos) and spiritual (pneumatikos) below;

1 Cor 2:14-16
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man.

Paul is clearly contrasting the unsaved with the saved with the natural man and spiritual man. One is controlled by the natural or the flesh while the other is controlled by the spirit/spiritual- Holy Spirit. Just like in 1 Cor 15:44 where Paul is contrasting the natural body that is controlled by the flesh with the spiritual body that is controlled by the Spirit. Both are real physical bodies but the difference is one is controlled by the flesh which is carnal and the other is controlled by the Spirit and is spiritual. One has the appetites and desires of the flesh while the other has appetites and desires controlled by the Spirit. Hence a spiritual body is one that is controlled by the Spirit of God in the Resurrection.

Your move to 1 Cor.2:14-15 to TRY and explain Paul's subject in 1 Cor.15:44-50 is ludicrous!

In 1 Cor.2:14-15, Paul is talking about the fleshy carnal mind vs. the spiritual mind of the believer that has the 'mind of Christ'. That is about attributes of the flesh vs. The Spirit. The "natural body" of 1 Corinthians 15:44 is about a LITERAL FLESH body, not carnal thinking. And the "spiritual body" of 1 Cor.15:44 is about a literal heavenly type body, which is what Paul shows is the resurrection type body.

What you have done is to try and COMPLETELY CHANGE the meaning of Apostle Paul's teaching.

ChristisGod · Sep 9, 2020

Davy said:
You are contradicting yourself, because above (in bold) you admit the Resurrection that Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15, which is to "a spiritual body" (1 Cor.15:44-50). Paul in Romans 8 and Phil 3:21 is not contradicting himself. 1 Cor.15 is the actual detail of 'with what body' the resurrection is. Those other verses are not in that kind of detail, and they all must agree with each other. Paul certainly did not contradict himself.

1 Cor 15:42-46
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
KJV

Your move to 1 Cor.2:14-15 to TRY and explain Paul's subject in 1 Cor.15:44-50 is ludicrous!

In 1 Cor.2:14-15, Paul is talking about the fleshy carnal mind vs. the spiritual mind of the believer that has the 'mind of Christ'. That is about attributes of the flesh vs. The Spirit. The "natural body" of 1 Corinthians 15:44 is about a LITERAL FLESH body, not carnal thinking. And the "spiritual body" of 1 Cor.15:44 is about a literal heavenly type body, which is what Paul shows in the resurrection type body.

What you have done is to try and COMPLETELY CHANGE the meaning of Apostle Paul's teaching.

Just the opposite as I provided how the Apostles uses both words soma and pneumatikos in his teachings on body and spiritual. But you are close minded and will not accept the meaning of those words even though I have provided Pauls usage of the words in relation to man.

In your view a "spiritual " man has no physical body and is a spirit which is false. A spiritual man is one who is controlled by the Spirit not the flesh.

The same is true with the spiritual drink, spiritual rock and spiritual food ( manna). All were physical rocks, water and food but were supernaturally provided by God , hence they were SPIRITUAL just like the spiritual man who has a real physical body.

So in the Resurrection our spiritual bodies( soma) are still physical bodies controlled completely by the Spirit. Our heavenly bodies will be transformed from mortal to immortal, corruptible to incorruptible.

hope this helps !!!

Davy · Sep 9, 2020

Christophany said:
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Paul’s usage below of spiritual(pneumatikos) in 1 Cor 10 where he calls the rock, food and drink spiritual it does not mean an immaterial rock, food and drink but a real Rock, Manna and Water which were with the Israelites in the wilderness wanderings.

1 Cor 10:1-4
For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from aspiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

You have TOTALLY LEFT THE SCRIPTURES WHERE APOSTLE PAUL WAS TEACHING ABOUT THE RESURRECTION BODY TYPE (1 Corinthians 15:44-50). It would be more entertaining to watch clowns juggling fruit than to watch someone so deceived as you doing that juggling act with Scripture.

Now Paul drives home the point of our new literal physical bodies below in heaven from the text in 2nd Cor 5 below;

2 Cor 5:1-5
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3 For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies. 4 While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it's not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. 5 God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.

You see there is no bodiless spirit men in heaven unclothed(no body) but indeed with a heavenly body(like Jesus) has now in heaven which is flesh and bones like He said His Resurrected body was to His Disciples.

hope this helps,

You included nothing above about the 1 Corinthians 15 Scripture where Apostle Paul was teaching with what body the resurrection is. You left the 1 Corinthians 15 resurrection body subject at 1 Cor.15:44. Here is more of what you PURPOSEFULLY LEFT OUT...

1 Cor 15:44-53
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV

ChristisGod · Sep 9, 2020

davy with his ad hominem attacks which is a tell tale sign of defeat. When you attack the person and not the argument is says allot about your lack of defending the truth with Scripture. It tells me you have an unteachable spirit and are not open to hear another point of view.

You also deny this Creed

Chalcedon (451 AD)
Following, then, the holy fathers, we unite in teaching all men to
confess the one and only Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. This selfsame
one is perfect both in deity and in humanness; this selfsame one is
also actually God and actually man, with a rational soul <meaning
human soul> and a body. He is of the same reality as God as far as
his deity is concerned and of the same reality as we ourselves as
far as his humanness is concerned; thus like us in all respects, sin
only excepted. Before time began he was begotten of the Father, in
respect of his deity, and now in these "last days," for us and behalf
of our salvation, this selfsame one was born of Mary the virgin, who
is God-bearer in respect of his humanness.

We also teach that we apprehend this one and only Christ-Son, Lord,
only-begotten -- in two natures; and we do this without confusing
the two natures, without transmuting one nature into the other,
without dividing them into two separate categories, without con-
trasting them according to area or function. The distinctiveness
of each nature is not nullified by the union. Instead, the
"properties" of each nature are conserved and both natures concur
in one "person" and in one reality <hypostasis>. They are not
divided or cut into two persons, but are together the one and
only and only-begotten Word <Logos> of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Thus have the prophets of old testified; thus the Lord Jesus
Christ himself taught us; thus the Symbol of Fathers <the Nicene
Creed> has handed down to us.

hope this helps !!!

ChristisGod · Sep 9, 2020

And this portion of Athanasian Creed

The Athanasian Creed- 500 ad

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully

Philip James · Sep 9, 2020

Christophany said:
( is central teaching is the Resurrection)

If Christ is not risen, then all our hope is vain, and we are yet dead in our sins...

Peace!

ChristisGod · Sep 9, 2020

Philip James said:
If Christ is not risen, then all our hope is vain, and we are yet dead in our sins...

Peace!

AMEN !

bbyrd009 · Sep 9, 2020

Christophany said:
Without the bodily resurrection which was permanent one has no Savior and you are still dead in your sins according to the Apostle Paul. 1 Corinthians 15:17

Many deny Jesus was Resurrected and Ascended into heaven bodily( a human body with real flesh and bones) and are still dead in their sins even though they might claim to be a christian. That is an oxymoron.

ok thing is the 1Cor Quote says Christ but then you go on to discuss Jesus, which dont get me wrong is only natural, but may i suggest that Christ is Spirit, and that a kind of conversion has to be made, lest one continue to be Esau forever

Christophany said:
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.(Heb 13:5)

thats 13:8 fwiw

bbyrd009 · Sep 9, 2020

Christophany said:
If we look at what Paul is saying in this passage, it is that corruptible flesh and blood shall not enter the kingdom. Paul says corruptible does not inherit the incorruptible. Paul is not saying the resurrection body will not have flesh but what he declares is that the resurrected body will not have perishable flesh. Remember in Luke Jesus said see here My hands and feet, touch Me a spirit/ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have. Peter, Paul and John all agree that Jesus still had flesh well after His ascension. 1 John being the last of the books of the three Apostles declared that Jesus having come in the flesh and those who deny this are the spirit of antichrist. John makes it clear that the Incarnation was permanent. Jesus is forever both God and man. This is what Paul teaches in the whole 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians. The glorious physical bodies that we will have in the resurrection. We will have incorruptible bodies just as Jesus now has in heaven.

hope this helps !!!

im curious what it is you think in here is like revolutionary, or ground breaking? Isnt this all what we get in about one Sunday in any Christian congregation? Not that theres anything wrong with it ok, but you might give us your interp of how these following vv fit into your model;
Understand why the publicans and protitutes are beating you into the kingdom
("If we look at what Paul is saying in this passage, it is that corruptible flesh and blood shall not enter the kingdom. Paul says corruptible does not inherit the incorruptible.")

"Paul is not saying the resurrection body will not have flesh but what he declares is that the resurrected body will not have perishable flesh."
so you say, but wadr you cannot Quote that i dont think? Anywhere else i mean, for a witness? Paul writes that way in all his letters, yes? Point being that it is likely better to adjust ones beliefs to fit Paul, over adjusting Paul to fit ones beliefs

"Peter, Paul and John all agree that Jesus still had flesh well after His ascension."
I said "you are Elohim"

"We will have incorruptible bodies just as Jesus now has in heaven."
The kingdom of heaven is within you
No one has ever gone up to heaven but He Who came down from it; the son of man

bbyrd009 · Sep 9, 2020

Philip James said:
If Christ is not risen, then all our hope is vain, and we are yet dead in our sins...

Peace!

He who seeks to save his soul will lose it
Your bargain with the grave will be annulled
No son of man may die for another's sins

bbyrd009 · Sep 9, 2020

Christophany said:
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 that if Christ be not risen your faith is in vain and you are still dead in your sins- an unbeliever who is lost. Those who deny the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus such as the JW's who teach that Jesus is now a spirit based being fit into this camp. They deny the resurrection.

well, not really, they just understand it differently i think? Anyway, you are likely an Apollos worshipper unawares, and after all why cast stones? Wouldnt it be better to just all assume that we are all lost, with a hope of salvation? Right now you are likely twice the sons of hell (they) are, but there is always hope, yeh?

ChristisGod · Sep 9, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
well, not really, they just understand it differently i think? Anyway, you are likely an Apollos worshipper unawares, and after all why cast stones? Wouldnt it be better to just all assume that we are all lost, with a hope of salvation? Right now you are likely twice the sons of hell (they) are, but there is always hope, yeh?

I'm sorry you don't like to read and understand exegesis of Scripture regarding the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the most important event in all of Scripture, the very foundation of the Gospel message.

In the future I will respond to your posts when they have some thought regarding a passage with some exegesis instead of your drive by comments that consist of nothing but ad hominem attacks.

Like they say when one is incapable of defending their position from scripture they resort to personal attacks. This speaks volumes about your theology or lack thereof, not mine.

hope this helps !!!

bbyrd009 · Sep 9, 2020

Christophany said:
I'm sorry you don't like to read and understand exegesis of Scripture regarding the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the most important event in all of Scripture, the very foundation of the Gospel message.

ah no, thats not what i meant, honest; it is a great subject to contemplate imo ok

Christophany said:
In the future I will respond to your posts when they have some thought regarding a passage with some exegesis instead of your drive by comments that consist of nothing but ad hominem attacks.

well cmon be fair; there is more than just the offhand ad-hominem attack in that post, right?
and the point there was that JWs, while i dont agree with them either, are not all bad ppl, and likely not all as lost as you make them out to be?

also, i did post some Scripture in there, asking for your exegesis?
maybe you missed that part

Christophany said:
Like they say when one is incapable of defending their position from scripture they resort to personal attacks. This speaks volumes about your theology or lack thereof, not mine.

ah well my apologies, and fwiw imo your theology is just fine for right now, everyone has to start somewhere right? Imo we all start at the Abomination of Desolation, and i wonder how many phrases they kicked around before they came up with that one lol. It had to be something that no one would ever want to associate themselves with i guess

ChristisGod · Sep 9, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
ah no, thats not what i meant, honest; it is a great subject to contemplate imo ok

well cmon be fair; there is more than just the offhand ad-hominem attack in that post, right?
and the point there was that JWs, while i dont agree with them either, are not all bad ppl, and likely not all as lost as you make them out to be?

There is nothing wrong with JW's I love them and have been debating them for decades. In fact my son is dating an x JW who became saved while studying at our home bible study group and seeking the truth regarding Jesus. Her parents are JW's and they really like my son. They are moving in the direction of marriage. Who knows maybe her entire family will come to know the real Jesus and get saved.

But they teach numerous false doctrines concerning Jesus, God, the gospel and numerous other things as well.

hope this helps !!!

farouk · Sep 9, 2020

@Christophany The believer's victory (1 Cor. 15.57) is assured because of the Resurrection!

bbyrd009 · Sep 9, 2020

Christophany said:
There is nothing wrong with JW's I love them and have been debating them for decades. In fact my son is dating an x JW who became saved while studying at our home bible study group and seeking the truth regarding Jesus. Her parents are JW's and they really like my son. They are moving in the direction of marriage. Who knows maybe her entire family will come to know the real Jesus and get saved.

But they teach numerous false doctrines concerning Jesus, God, the gospel and numerous other things as well.

hope this helps !!!

what is satans dialectic, iyo?

ChristisGod · Sep 9, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
what is satans dialectic, iyo?

I'm not sure what you mean by that( satans dialectic) can you clarify it for me, thanks !

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