The Bodily Resurrection of Jesus

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The OT is irrelevant to the Incarnation where Jesus became a MAN with a human body of flesh and bones. That is UNIQUE in History as is the Resurrection. You simply deny the truth which I have proven with your " recommended" Strongs Concordance giving you the biblical definitions of body and spiritual which prove the OP is correct and you are wrong.

What you believe is actually the very spirit of antichrist as per the Apostles. Those who deny Jesus has come in the flesh and remains in the flesh is the spirit of antichrist.
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You have the audacity to accuse me as following the "spirit of antichrist" when you WON'T EVEN ADDRESS THE 1 CORINTHIANS 15:43-50 SCRIPTURE BY APOSTLE PAUL?
 

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The OT is irrelevant to the Incarnation where Jesus became a MAN with a human body of flesh and bones. That is UNIQUE in History as is the Resurrection. You simply deny the truth which I have proven with your " recommended" Strongs Concordance giving you the biblical definitions of body and spiritual which prove the OP is correct and you are wrong.

What you believe is actually the very spirit of antichrist as per the Apostles. Those who deny Jesus has come in the flesh and remains in the flesh is the spirit of antichrist.

If we go back to the beginning of 1 John, we read that which we he beheld, and actually touched concerning the Word of life. That is a term expressing the very deity of Christ. Christ emanates from God as His living Word. He was with the Father in the beginning in 1:2. Jesus was One with the Father sharing the same essence with the Father in heaven with Him before the foundation of the world. John says He was manifested to us. John's language then starts out with the fact that Jesus Christ emanates from God as the very living Word of God. Jesus is the living Word of God,the One John says that was from the beginning that we heard, we saw and we touched. Jesus the Word of life was the eternal One who was with the Father prior to His Incarnation and was then manifested to us in the flesh that we could see and hear and touch according to John. Therefore, we can clearly see Jesus is the very Word of God Incarnate. He is the eternal life who became flesh. The Word who was with God, the Word who was God, was the One who John says was manifested to us. This is how we can tell the spirit of truth from the spirit of antichrist. Can you confess Jesus is God Incarnate?

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Erchomenon the present participle in 2 John 7


Alford- the present tense is timeless(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Brooke- the Incarnation is not only an event in history, it is an abiding truth(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Stott- the two natures manhood and Godhood were united already at His birth, never to be divided. In 1 John 4:2 and here in 2 John 7 emphasizes this permanent union of the natures in the One Person ( TNTC pages 209-210) He who denies the Incarnation is not just a deceiver and an antichrist but “the deceiver and the antichrist”. There is in this heresy a double affront: it opposes Christ and deceives men.(stott TNCT page 210)

Marshall- the use of the present and perfect tenses becomes significant if the point is that Jesus Christ had come and still existed “in flesh”. For him(John) it was axiomatic that there had been a true Incarnation, that the word became flesh and remained flesh. It is a point that receives much stress in 1 John 2:18-28;4:1-6;5:5-8. (NICNT pages 70-71)

Smalley- the present tense emphasizes the permanent union of the human and Divine natures in Jesus. Gods self disclosure in Jesus took place at a particular moment in history , but it has continuing effects in the present and into the future(Word Biblical Commentary page 317)

Nicoll- the continuous manifestation of the Incarnate Christ(Expositors Greek Testament Volume 5 page 202)

Akin- Much has been made of the fact that John uses the present tense in this Christological confession. Literally the verse reads, “Jesus Christ coming in flesh.” “Coming” is a present active participle. This stands out in remarkable contrast to the affirmation of 1 John 4:2, where the text states that “Jesus Christ has [emphasis mine] come in the flesh.” There the perfect active participle is used. The key, it seems, is to discover what John is affirming. Here in 2 John the emphasis falls on the abiding reality of the incarnation. First John 4:2 teaches that the Christ, the Father’s Son (v. 3), has come in the flesh. Second John affirms that the wedding of deity and humanity has an abiding reality (cf. 1 Tim 2:5). The ontological and essential nature of the incarnation that would receive eloquent expression one thousand years later in the writing of St. Anselm (1033–1109) in his classic Cur Deus Homo is already present in seed form in the tiny and neglected letter of 2 John.


Lenski- In 1 John 4:2 we have ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα, the perfect participle, “as having come in flesh” (incarnate, John 1:14); here we have ἐρχόμενον ἐν σαρκί, “as coming in flesh,” although the participle is present in form it is really timeless.of Christ as "still being manifested." See the note at 1 John 3:5. In 1 John 4:2 we have the manifestation treated as a past fact by the perfect tense, ‎eleeluthota ‎"has come

Robertson- That Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh Ieesoun ‎‎Christon ‎‎erchomenon ‎‎en ‎‎sarki‎. "Jesus Christ coming in the flesh." Present middle participle of ‎erchomai treating the Incarnation as a continuing fact which the Docetic Gnostics flatly denied. In 1 John 4:2 we have ‎eleeluthota ‎(perfect active participle) in this same construction with ‎homologeoo‎, because there the reference is to the definite historical fact of the Incarnation.

Anyone can quote from commentaries, but that is not proof of having understood God's Word, which is why one can find commentaries that differ greatly from each other. Keeping to the simplicity of the Word of God as written is the goal, and commentaries can only be a help, but not the Authority.

So once again, you fail to address the Scriptures I have posted...

1 Cor 15:42-50
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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You have the audacity to accuse me as following the "spirit of antichrist" when you WON'T EVEN ADDRESS THE 1 CORINTHIANS 15:43-50 SCRIPTURE BY APOSTLE PAUL?
100% have you ever studied what in means in 1 John ?

Its a refusal to believe Jesus came in the flesh and remains in the flesh. The Incarnation was permanent. The bodily Resurrection was permanent. Jesus forever remains a man, a human being with a real human body that is immortal, incorriptible and glorified but still flesh and bones just as He said He was and not a spirit as your believe which is the spirit of antichrist just like the JW's believe that Jesus is no longetr a man with a human body. That is the teaching of the cults and the spirit of antichrist. Read my post and learn the truth. The participle in 2 John 7 coming ( Erchomenon) is the present participle in 2 John 7 and it is the present tense which is timeless and continues. It has contimous effects in the future. That means Jesus became flesh and remains flesh into the future. Johns epistle was written over 50 years after Jesus Ascension. So at Johns writing he was declaring Jesus came in the flesh in the past and remains in the flesh now and into the future. Hence the Incarnation was Permanent. The spirit of antichrist as per 1 and 2 John is denying this essential truth of salvation.

hope this helps !!!

 
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The OT is irrelevant to the Incarnation where Jesus became a MAN with a human body of flesh and bones. That is UNIQUE in History as is the Resurrection. You simply deny the truth which I have proven with your " recommended" Strongs Concordance giving you the biblical definitions of body and spiritual which prove the OP is correct and you are wrong.

What you believe is actually the very spirit of antichrist as per the Apostles. Those who deny Jesus has come in the flesh and remains in the flesh is the spirit of antichrist.

The Old Testament body that Jesus had is VERY RELEVANT to His eternal body He now has. Apostle Paul was very clear that corruption cannot inherit incorruption (1 Corinthians 15:50), and that means Christ's flesh body HAD TO HAVE BEEN TRANSFIGURED AT SOME POINT TO THE RESURRECTION BODY TYPE to go to The Father in Heaven. The idea that flesh and blood can enter the Heavenly is backward and a primitive pagan concept!

So you need to address the 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 Scripture where Apostle Paul showed Jesus was made "a quickening spirit".

Oh, and your false accusation of me following the spirit of antichrist has been reported!
 

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Anyone can quote from commentaries, but that is not proof of having understood God's Word, which is why one can find commentaries that differ greatly from each other. Keeping to the simplicity of the Word of God as written is the goal, and commentaries can only be a help, but not the Authority.

So once again, you fail to address the Scriptures I have posted...

1 Cor 15:42-50
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV
anyone can make things up like you without studying the topic and no support from any other scripture and ripping one word from its context to form a false doctrine like you have done with the one isolated word in 1 Cor 15 " spiritual" which I have shown does not mean what you say it means with proof from Paul on how he uses that word in other places in the same book. But you are turning a blind eye to the truth in exchange for a lie- Denying Jesus present humanity. Those who deny this Paul says are still dead in their sins and John says is the spirit of antichrist.

hope this helps !!!
 

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The Old Testament body that Jesus had is VERY RELEVANT to His eternal body He now has. Apostle Paul was very clear that corruption cannot inherit incorruption (1 Corinthians 15:50), and that means Christ's flesh body HAD TO HAVE BEEN TRANSFIGURED AT SOME POINT TO THE RESURRECTION BODY TYPE to go to The Father in Heaven. The idea that flesh and blood can enter the Heavenly is backward and a primitive pagan concept!

So you need to address the 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 Scripture where Apostle Paul showed Jesus was made "a quickening spirit".

Oh, and your false accusation of me following the spirit of antichrist has been reported!
I've addressed that in depth in this thread with proof from lexicons , Greek Scholars and a plethora of Scripture.
 

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100% have you ever studied what in means in 1 John ?

Its a refusal to believe Jesus came in the flesh and remains in the flesh. The Incarnation was permanent. The bodily Resurrection was permanent. Jesus forever remains a man, a human being with a real human body that is immortal, incorriptible and glorified but still flesh and bones just as He said He was and not a spirit as your believe which is the spirit of antichrist just like the JW's believe that Jesus is no longetr a man with a human body. That is the teaching of the cults and the spirit of antichrist. Read my post and learn the truth. The participle in 2 John 7 coming ( Erchomenon) is the present participle in 2 John 7 and it is the present tense which is timeless and continues. It has contimous effects in the future. That means Jesus became flesh and remains flesh into the future. Johns epistle was written over 50 years after Jesus Ascension. So at Johns writing he was declaring Jesus came in the flesh in the past and remains in the flesh now and into the future. Hence the Incarnation was Permanent. The spirit of antichrist as per 1 and 2 John is denying this essential truth of salvation.

hope this helps !!!

You are still rejecting the 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 Scripture I see.
 

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anyone can make things up like you without studying the topic and no support from any other scripture and ripping one word from its context to form a false doctrine like you have done with the one isolated word in 1 Cor 15 " spiritual" which I have shown does not mean what you say it means with proof from Paul on how he uses that word in other places in the same book. But you are turning a blind eye to the truth in exchange for a lie- Denying Jesus present humanity. Those who deny this Paul says are still dead in their sins and John says is the spirit of antichrist.

hope this helps !!!

And making things up, with trying to use commentaries as a backup, INSTEAD OF the actual Word of God, like 1 Corinthians 15:42-50, is what you have done. So why would anyone want to trust what you say?
 

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I've addressed that in depth in this thread with proof from lexicons , Greek Scholars and a plethora of Scripture.

You are not telling the truth, because YOU REFUSE TO ADDRESS THE 1 CORINTHIANS 15:42-50 SCRIPTURE as written. So any true believer on Christ Jesus here should beware of you.
 

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You are still rejecting the 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 Scripture I see.
I already posted my response to that passage and proved you are wrong by Pauls use of " Spiritual" pneumatikos in the Greek. It means controlled by the Spirit, the Spirit is the source who is God.

The spiritual man is a man with a body of flesh yet controlled by the Spirit ie God.
The spiritual food was the real manna which came from God
The spiritual drink was real water which miracously came out of the rock from God as its source
The spiritual rock was a real physical rock which provided the water which came from God

Now fast forward to 1 Cor 15 the spiritul body is one that comes from God as its source but it is still a human body that is incorruptible and immortal just like Jesus real human body is now , hence the BODILY RESURRECTION, ASCENSION and 2ND COMING of JESUS who is forever God Incarnate ( in the flesh). God manifest in the flesh as the bible teaches.

The spirit of antichrist rejects this truth and Paul says you are dead in your sins if you deny this truth in 1 Cor 15.

hope this helps !!!
 
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You are not telling the truth, because YOU REFUSE TO ADDRESS THE 1 CORINTHIANS 15:42-50 SCRIPTURE as written. So any true believer on Christ Jesus here should beware of you.
read my last post which I have responded to now several times.
 

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The Old Testament body that Jesus had is VERY RELEVANT to His eternal body He now has. Apostle Paul was very clear that corruption cannot inherit incorruption (1 Corinthians 15:50), and that means Christ's flesh body HAD TO HAVE BEEN TRANSFIGURED AT SOME POINT TO THE RESURRECTION BODY TYPE to go to The Father in Heaven. The idea that flesh and blood can enter the Heavenly is backward and a primitive pagan concept!

So you need to address the 1 Corinthians 15:42-50 Scripture where Apostle Paul showed Jesus was made "a quickening spirit".

Oh, and your false accusation of me following the spirit of antichrist has been reported!
Thats funny you are reporting me for telling you what the bible teaches, Don't you see the irony in that ?
 

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You are not telling the truth, because YOU REFUSE TO ADDRESS THE 1 CORINTHIANS 15:42-50 SCRIPTURE as written. So any true believer on Christ Jesus here should beware of you.
You have failed the truth test as per Paul in 1 Cor 15 and John in 1 John 4:1-3 ( test the spirits)and 2 John 1:7. As this thread has shown you the truth is on my side from Scripture, the Apostles, the Creeds, the Greek Scholars., the Lexicons and the church throughout history on the Resurrection and the humanity of Christ which is permanent.

hope this helps !!!
 

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Luke 24:39 (NKJV)
39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
Paul stated that we will all have a spiritual body, but he was contrasting that with our physical body, so indeed will be physically resurrected in a literal body, fir for eternity!
 
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Luke 24:39 (NKJV)
39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.

Amen Jesus!
 
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Paul stated that we will all have a spiritual body, but he was contrasting that with our physical body, so indeed will be physically resurrected in a literal body, fir for eternity!
Our spiritual bodies will be much improved. lol