There are no Catholics in Heaven.

lforrest · Sep 11, 2020

Behold said:
Your sarcasm is noted.
And its noted that a post i wrote about a certain type, called you out, and you responded.
Do you realize this, ??
I do.
Im use to people who feel that "love" has to sound sweet, and anything that is not sugar coated can't be true or related to Agape` love.
You would be wrong about that...

You perceive that my words dont have the "spirit" behind them, which is the finger of false judgment produced by a person who is secure in their self righteous right to point it....... so your words reflect to me that you are just one more person who thinks that the devil is just a myth, and all christians are really the same.
=Foolish.
So, why are you in a position here while possessing such a low level of spirituality and discernment?
Do you want to ban me?
Is that best? As this way noone is going to write about "Catholic" and expose it.
You certainly wont be doing it.

I will say that this forum, regarding most of the mods, are very good.
Many have issues with my perceived "TONE"< but they have the good sense to read my points and theology.
Not all, but most., and im thankful for this fact.

You are on a thread that reflects the catholic teaching that "only catholics"....are in Heaven.
You have nothing to say about that, but are only interested in someone's tone.
So, Thats not good is it.

I don't want to be rid of you, I want peace between all the people on this site. It creates an atmosphere conducive to sharing the truth.

Do you really think you will change anyone's mind as the world does, by beating it into others? Not going to happen. Christians follow the voice of the shepherd, and he is gentle and meek at heart.

You are doing what the leaders of the Catholic Church did, abusing your fellow servants.

BarneyFife · Sep 11, 2020

Behold said:
What a bunch of semantical nonsense, that is trying to cover up your guilt.

It is definitely semantical. That's why I said "in a sense." What would I have to feel guilty about or cover up? I own what I said.

Behold said:
STOP !

Nah. You're not the boss of me.

Behold said:
But at least you are finally honest.

And I was beginning to think I'd never tell the truth about anything.

Behold said:
See, im honest, and you perceive me to be too harsh, but im not harsh,.

What you are seems a lot like pathologically arrogant and self-important. Hope that's not too harsh.

Behold said:
I EXPOSE THE DARK LIGHTS.

How does that work?

Behold said:
Listen.

Probably not. Awfully demanding for someone with no authority.

Behold said:
See, this isnt a joke.

What exactly is "this?"

Behold said:
And too many christians have this false idea that we should all just get along, and there isn't really any differences, and that God is going to just let us all in heaven, in the end.

But you're here to straighten us out. Well, at least we have that.

Behold said:
That shed blood cost God more then we can grasp, and He not playing around, and believers have to be vigilant and "sober minded" and always realize what is going on.
Thats the rule.

Here's another rule:
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. (Galatians 6:1)
And another:
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. (Titus 3:2)
And another:
What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness? (1 Corinthians 4:21)

BarneyFife · Sep 11, 2020

Prayer Warrior said:
Hi, Barny, I don’t think Catholic with a capital ”c” and catholic with a lowercase “c“ are the same thing at all. Perhaps at first the Catholic Church was considered the universal church, but it quickly became an organization that began to wield way too much control over people’s lives. The true universal church (meaning ALL believers) has NEVER been limited to one organization and never will be.

It wasn't meant to be anything more than semantical.

Prayer Warrior · Sep 11, 2020

BarnyFife said:
It wasn't meant to be anything more than semantical.

Oh, well, being semantical is just fine with this English teacher.

Grams · Sep 11, 2020

I wonder if the C. C. has changed ??????

I was not saved,,, and when I was young I went to the C. C.
my parents and sister and brother also. they are all gone,,,,,,,,,,
I also brought my girl friend to the C. C.
Our younger son got us out of the c.c. he wanted to use the bible.
As our C. C. did not,,,,,,,,,,,, just the prayer book.

The thing is ,,,, I was a teen back then, and got my girl friend to go also and she is still catholic.
I want to get her out of it, but do not know how.
I no longer see her or talk to her on the phone
I just write to her in letters.
and I remember back then when I was Catholic , I would not let any one speak to me about other religions.
So I am now wondering how to write to her , and keep our friendship going after 80 years..........
any ideas ?

thanks..........

Truther · Sep 11, 2020

Behold said:
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Catholicism, is a deception.
Now, for the benefit of the deceived Catholic, who yesterday, on my "Jesus isn't a Catholic" Thread, posted that """"EVERYBODY in Heaven besides God and the angels is Catholic"""" . . .... So, I wanted to write a Thread dedicated to this false idea.
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The Catholic religion is based on the worship of Mary, and it includes the heresy of "water baptism" = Salvation. (Baptismal Regeneration).
It also includes the bizarre demonic idea that "Priests" have the power to change a cookie and juice into the literal body and blood of Jesus.
Catholics will be found as all cultists are found, totally obsessed with their cult's doctrine.
Catholics will be found trying to work their way into heaven.

For the benefit of the deceived Catholics who will read this Thread there are 5 things you need to know.

1. The Pope is not God's mouth, as found on earth.
2. Mary is no longer a Virgin.
3. Mary is not the Queen of Heaven
4. Water Baptism, Sprinkling, and confirmation, did not save you, and cannot.
5. There is no Literal Blood in that Cup that you drink every week.
6. Confessing your sins to a priest, is not going to get rid of them, and doing penance for them, also cannot get rid of them.

Now, the reason there are no Catholics in Heaven, is because there are no denominations in heaven.
1.) All denominations are man made religious products.
2.) The Body of Christ is a God/Cross/Blood of Jesus created Living Spirituality that exists as God's temple of the Holy Spirit, with each of us being a Spiritual part of the whole Body of Christ.

These 2 are NOT the Same.

So, just as you will never find a Lost Catholic in heaven, you will never find a Baptist, or a Mormon, or a Assembly of God or a Methodist, or whatever your denomination happens to be., it wont be found in Heaven.

What will be found in Heaven? God, Christ, The Host of Heaven, and All the Born Again.

Unfortunately, any group that disqualifies water baptism from salvation is lost, per Jesus' opinion in Mark 16:16 and Peters' opinion in Acts 2:38.

Enoch111 · Sep 11, 2020

BarnyFife said:
But you're here to straighten us out. Well, at least we have that.

You've hit the nail on the head.

Enoch111 · Sep 11, 2020

Truther said:
Unfortunately, any group that disqualifies water baptism from salvation is lost, per Jesus' opinion in Mark 16:16 and Peters' opinion in Acts 2:38.

Water baptism does not save anyone. It simply confirms that one is saved (justified) by grace through faith. At the same time, it has great spiritual significance for the one who has been saved. It is not to be discounted or abandoned. See Acts 10 and Acts 16.

Phoneman777 · Sep 11, 2020

Behold said:
-
Catholicism, is a deception.
Now, for the benefit of the deceived Catholic, who yesterday, on my "Jesus isn't a Catholic" Thread, posted that """"EVERYBODY in Heaven besides God and the angels is Catholic"""" . . .... So, I wanted to write a Thread dedicated to this false idea.
-------

The Catholic religion is based on the worship of Mary, and it includes the heresy of "water baptism" = Salvation. (Baptismal Regeneration).
It also includes the bizarre demonic idea that "Priests" have the power to change a cookie and juice into the literal body and blood of Jesus.
Catholics will be found as all cultists are found, totally obsessed with their cult's doctrine.
Catholics will be found trying to work their way into heaven.

For the benefit of the deceived Catholics who will read this Thread there are 5 things you need to know.

1. The Pope is not God's mouth, as found on earth.
2. Mary is no longer a Virgin.
3. Mary is not the Queen of Heaven
4. Water Baptism, Sprinkling, and confirmation, did not save you, and cannot.
5. There is no Literal Blood in that Cup that you drink every week.
6. Confessing your sins to a priest, is not going to get rid of them, and doing penance for them, also cannot get rid of them.

Now, the reason there are no Catholics in Heaven, is because there are no denominations in heaven.
1.) All denominations are man made religious products.
2.) The Body of Christ is a God/Cross/Blood of Jesus created Living Spirituality that exists as God's temple of the Holy Spirit, with each of us being a Spiritual part of the whole Body of Christ.

These 2 are NOT the Same.

So, just as you will never find a Lost Catholic in heaven, you will never find a Baptist, or a Mormon, or a Assembly of God or a Methodist, or whatever your denomination happens to be., it wont be found in Heaven.

What will be found in Heaven? God, Christ, The Host of Heaven, and All the Born Again.

A man dies and is greeted at the Pearly Gates by St. Peter. He takes the man on walk down one of the golden streets and the man notices a huge mansion on the side of the street.
"WOW!!! that a HUGE place! Who lives there, St. Peter?"
"That's where the Baptists live."
They continue on down the street and soon come to another huge mansion.
"WOW, St. Peter!!! That place is even bigger! Who lives there?"
"The Methodists live there."
They continue on down the street passing one huge mansion after the next and one by one, St. Peter tells the man who the residents are: "That's where the Pentecostals live...that's where the Lutherans live...that's where the Congregationalists live..."
Finally, they come to the end of the street which runs up to a huge brick wall.
"WOW!!! St. Peter, look at the size of that wall!!!"
"Keep your voice down!!! St. Peter whispered to the man loudly.
"Why, St. Peter? What's on the other side?"
"The Catholics...they think they're the only ones up here."

Mungo · Sep 12, 2020

@lforrest
You say:

lforrest said:
I want peace between all the people on this site.

And then say

lforrest said:
You are doing what the leaders of the Catholic Church did, abusing your fellow servants.

That sort of comment is why you do not get peace

Mungo · Sep 12, 2020

Prayer Warrior said:
Hi, Barny, I don’t think Catholic with a capital ”c” and catholic with a lowercase “c“ are the same thing at all. Perhaps at first the Catholic Church was considered the universal church, but it quickly became an organization that began to wield way too much control over people’s lives. The true universal church (meaning ALL believers) has NEVER been limited to one organization and never will be.

Catholic with a capital "C" can be either a noun or an adjective.

The OP states EVERYONE.... is Catholic (adjective), not EVERYONE...is a Catholic (noun). It is using Catholic as an adjective.

According to dictionaries I have consulted there are several different definitions for Catholic, as an adjective (with or without a capital "C"). One of them mean universal.

For example:
Merriam Webster Dictionary -
catholic
1a often capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the church universal
Note the "often capitalized"

Collins Dictionary -
Catholic
1. denoting or relating to the entire body of Christians, esp to the Church before separation into the Greek or Eastern and Latin or Western Churches
(note with a capital "C")

Catholic Dictionary -
CATHOLIC
Definition
Its original meaning of "general" or "universal" has taken on a variety of applications in the course of Christian history.......
In general, today the term "Catholic" refers to those Christians who profess a continued tradition of faith and worship and who hold to the Apostolic succession of bishops and priests since the time of Christ. (Etym. Latin catholicus, universal; Greek katholikos, universal.)

Truther · Sep 12, 2020

Enoch111 said:
Water baptism does not save anyone. It simply confirms that one is saved (justified) by grace through faith. At the same time, it has great spiritual significance for the one who has been saved. It is not to be discounted or abandoned. See Acts 10 and Acts 16.

You just debunked Jesus per Mark 16:16.

BarneyFife · Sep 12, 2020

Truther said:
You just debunked Jesus per Mark 16:16.

Why is it so hard to understand that nothing that must be done to be saved actually does the saving?

Truther · Sep 12, 2020

BarnyFife said:
Why is it so hard to understand that nothing that must be done to be saved actually does the saving?

That is not what Jesus said in Mark 16:16.

He said do something, not nothing.

I cannot understand this do nothing doctrine, like I cannot understand the do nothing democrats.

BarneyFife · Sep 12, 2020

Truther said:
That is not what Jesus said in Mark 16:16.

He said do something, not nothing.

I cannot understand this do nothing doctrine, like I cannot understand the do nothing democrats.

Agreed. There is much that must be done by the believer, but none of it has any power to save.

Philip James · Sep 12, 2020

BarnyFife said:
Agreed. There is much that must be done by the believer, but none of it has any power to save.

as they make a pretense of religion but deny its power. Reject them

BarneyFife · Sep 12, 2020

Philip James said:
as they make a pretense of religion but deny its power. Reject them

Not sure I follow you.

Enoch111 · Sep 12, 2020

Truther said:
You just debunked Jesus per Mark 16:16.

That verse must be understood in the light of the whole Gospel. It shows the importance of keeping water baptism and salvation together, since all who believed were baptized immediately, or almost immediately. Study the book of Acts, and also the words of Christ in John 11:25,26 (which do not mention water baptism).

Mungo · Sep 12, 2020

Enoch111 said:
That verse must be understood in the light of the whole Gospel. It shows the importance of keeping water baptism and salvation together, since all who believed were baptized immediately, or almost immediately. Study the book of Acts, and also the words of Christ in John 11:25,26 (which do not mention water baptism).

They were baptised immediately because baptism is the way Jesus gave us for salvation.
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
Belief + Baptism = Salvation
Not "He who believes is saved then should be baptised".

Taken · Sep 12, 2020

There are no Catholics in Heaven.

OP^

Have to say, I agree with the point of the OP, that;
Saved souls and Quickened spirits which have their place in Heaven, are not in Heaven because of any man-made Denomination association.

I do find it interesting, the banter and accusations back and forth between Catholics and Protestants...swinging both ways... but it is Often the Catholic complaining, and others onboard, wagging a finger, implying to give the Catholic a soft touch.

Eh, People who are Not-Catholic, KNOW Why.

Glory to God,
Taken

There are no Catholics in Heaven.

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