There are no Catholics in Heaven.

Enoch111 · Sep 12, 2020

Mungo said:
Not "He who believes is saved then should be baptised".

Well Scripture refutes your position.

ACTS 16: BELIEVING PRECEDES WATER BAPTISM
25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.
26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. [Note: no mention of baptism]
32 And they spake unto him the Word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. [Note: the Word of the Lord = the Gospel]
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

This follows the same sequence as all the other incidents in the book of Acts: (1) the Gospel is preached, (2) sinners believe on Christ and are saved, and (3) they are then baptized and go on their way rejoicing.

Truthcampaign.org · Sep 12, 2020

Behold said:
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Catholicism, is a deception.
Now, for the benefit of the deceived Catholic, who yesterday, on my "Jesus isn't a Catholic" Thread, posted that """"EVERYBODY in Heaven besides God and the angels is Catholic"""" . . .... So, I wanted to write a Thread dedicated to this false idea.
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The Catholic religion is based on the worship of Mary, and it includes the heresy of "water baptism" = Salvation. (Baptismal Regeneration).
It also includes the bizarre demonic idea that "Priests" have the power to change a cookie and juice into the literal body and blood of Jesus.
Catholics will be found as all cultists are found, totally obsessed with their cult's doctrine.
Catholics will be found trying to work their way into heaven.

For the benefit of the deceived Catholics who will read this Thread there are 5 things you need to know.

1. The Pope is not God's mouth, as found on earth.
2. Mary is no longer a Virgin.
3. Mary is not the Queen of Heaven
4. Water Baptism, Sprinkling, and confirmation, did not save you, and cannot.
5. There is no Literal Blood in that Cup that you drink every week.
6. Confessing your sins to a priest, is not going to get rid of them, and doing penance for them, also cannot get rid of them.

Now, the reason there are no Catholics in Heaven, is because there are no denominations in heaven.
1.) All denominations are man made religious products.
2.) The Body of Christ is a God/Cross/Blood of Jesus created Living Spirituality that exists as God's temple of the Holy Spirit, with each of us being a Spiritual part of the whole Body of Christ.

These 2 are NOT the Same.

So, just as you will never find a Lost Catholic in heaven, you will never find a Baptist, or a Mormon, or a Assembly of God or a Methodist, or whatever your denomination happens to be., it wont be found in Heaven.

What will be found in Heaven? God, Christ, The Host of Heaven, and All the Born Again.

You're reading the Bible that was compiled by the Catholic Church!

Council of Rome - Wikipedia

Also, you're either are lying or have a lack of education on Mary and the Catholic Church. The Church clearly doesn't worship Mary as it states in the Catechism. You are foolishly misleading people. It's fine to believe something else, but to try and discredit the Catholic Church with false statements is wrong.

This is you my friend -- Many seek to be right, and as a result, they fail to seek the truth!

Truth Campaign | Gospel of John Chapter 6 | Always Seek The Truth!

God Bless! Jim

APAK · Sep 12, 2020

Truthcampaign.org said:
You're reading the Bible that was compiled by the Catholic Church!

Council of Rome - Wikipedia

Also, you're either are lying or have a lack of education on Mary and the Catholic Church. The Church clearly doesn't worship Mary as it states in the Catechism. You are foolishly misleading people. It's fine to believe something else, but to try and discredit the Catholic Church with false statements is wrong.

This is you my friend -- Many seek to be right, and as a result, they fail to seek the truth!

Truth Campaign | Gospel of John Chapter 6 | Always Seek The Truth!

God Bless! Jim

Speaking of the truth then...

Supposedly, Jesus and Mary visit Sister Lucia of Fatima in the convent of Pontevedra on December 10, 1925.

These are the so-called 15 promises made by 'the virgin Mary' to those connected with rosary beads, the same ones found originally around the 8th century BC in India and later in Islam as worry beads.

1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the
Rosary, shall receive signal graces.

2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces
to all those who shall recite the Rosary.

3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will
destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.

4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will
obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will
withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world
and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal
things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this
means.

5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the
recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.

6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying
himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall
never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise
him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided
death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God,
and become worthy of eternal life.

7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall
not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have
during their life and at their death the light of God and the
plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall
participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.

9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been
devoted to the Rosary.

10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high
degree of glory in Heaven.

11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of
the Rosary.

12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall
be aided by me in their necessities.

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the
advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the
entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of
death.

14. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers
and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.

15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

So you think RCCs do not worship Mary then? Read these 15 statements again....I believe they do...their salvation it seems depends on it.

How does all this Mary event and the Rosary beads of Asia have to do with the gospel for salvation I say? nothing...it is all blasphemy.

Blessings,

APAK

Grams · Sep 12, 2020

I DID NOT KNOW THIS WHEN I WAS A CATHOLIC.........

Eph.2;
8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

SURE WISH I KNEW THIS,,, WHEN I WAS CATHOLIC..........................

WONDER HOW MANY KNOW IT NOW .>>>>>???????????????????????????

Prayer Warrior · Sep 12, 2020

APAK said:
Speaking of the truth then...

Supposedly, Jesus and Mary visit Sister Lucia of Fatima in the convent of Pontevedra on December 10, 1925.

These are the so-called 15 promises made by 'the virgin Mary' to those connected with rosary beads, the same ones found originally around the 8th century BC in India and later in Islam as worry beads.

1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the
Rosary, shall receive signal graces.

2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces
to all those who shall recite the Rosary.

3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will
destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.

4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will
obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will
withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world
and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal
things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this
means.

5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the
recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.

6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying
himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall
never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise
him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided
death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God,
and become worthy of eternal life.

7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall
not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have
during their life and at their death the light of God and the
plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall
participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.

9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been
devoted to the Rosary.

10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high
degree of glory in Heaven.

11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of
the Rosary.

12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall
be aided by me in their necessities.

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the
advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the
entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of
death.

14. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers
and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.

15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

So you think RCCs do not worship Mary then? Read these 15 statements again....I believe they do...their salvation it seems depends on it.

How does all this Mary event and the Rosary beads of Asia have to do with the gospel for salvation I say? nothing...it is all blasphemy.

Blessings,

APAK

Wow, it’s sad that people believe this instead of the simple gospel.

Prayer Warrior · Sep 12, 2020

Mungo said:
Catholic with a capital "C" can be either a noun or an adjective.

The OP states EVERYONE.... is Catholic (adjective), not EVERYONE...is a Catholic (noun). It is using Catholic as an adjective.

According to dictionaries I have consulted there are several different definitions for Catholic, as an adjective (with or without a capital "C"). One of them mean universal.

For example:
Merriam Webster Dictionary -
catholic
1a often capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the church universal
Note the "often capitalized"

Collins Dictionary -
Catholic
1. denoting or relating to the entire body of Christians, esp to the Church before separation into the Greek or Eastern and Latin or Western Churches
(note with a capital "C")

Catholic Dictionary -
CATHOLIC
Definition
Its original meaning of "general" or "universal" has taken on a variety of applications in the course of Christian history.......
In general, today the term "Catholic" refers to those Christians who profess a continued tradition of faith and worship and who hold to the Apostolic succession of bishops and priests since the time of Christ. (Etym. Latin catholicus, universal; Greek katholikos, universal.)

Yes, as an English teacher I understand English. No need for a lecture, but thanks anyway.

BreadOfLife · Sep 12, 2020

Behold said:
BreadofLife wrote. :

""EVERYBODY in Heaven besides God and the angels is Catholic . . ."""

There is your troll.<

Ummmmmm, I didn't start this anti-Catholic thread - and the many others like it. YOU did.
I simply responded.

By the way - isn't this "Reformation Wall" a violation of the Commandment against graven images?

amigo de christo · Sep 12, 2020

Hidden In Him said:
The good news is, eventually the Lord deals with them, one way or another.

Looks like garfield got wore out with oddie . I got so tickled when i seen this photo .

BreadOfLife · Sep 12, 2020

Behold said:
Until 1961 : Catholics were told not to read a bible.
The reason is, .. if you read one, you would discover that this mind control cult owns you.
So, they denied you access to the word of God, and told you...>"if you want to know anything about God or God's word, come and see us, and we will tell you what to think".
Many Catholics have this same mindset today.
They OBEY their cult.
I find it fascinating that you can't talk to a Catholic and them not try to talk to you about :

1. Mary
2. Water
3. Cookie

And this is precisely the type of idiotic claim that makes your posts so entertaining to the educated.
Allow me to educate you once more, son . . .

Catholics have been reading and hearing Scripture since the beginning. The Liturgy of the Word, which is the first half of the Mass is lliterally drenched in Scripture:
- An OT reading.
- A Responsorial Psalm
- An NT Epistle Reading
- A Gospel Reading
In a 3-year cycle - virtually, the ENTIRE BIBLE is read aloud during the Liturgy of the Word.

The entire construct of the Mass is based on Scripture:
The Eucharist is found in Matt. 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-25, Luke 22:19-20, John 6:29-71, 1 Cor. 11:27-30.

Rev. 1:10 speaks of the heavenly liturgy being celebrated on the Lord's day. Catholics are obliged to attend mass on Sunday (the Lord’s Day).

Rev. 1:12, 2:5 speaks of lampstands or “Menorahs” in heaven. They are also used in the mass here on earth.

Rev. 1:13, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 15:6, 19:13-14 tells us about priests wearing special vestments in the heavenly liturgy. Here on earth, Catholic priests also wear liturgical vestments when celebrating Mass.

Rev. 2:5, 16, 21; 3:3; 16:11 speaks of a penitential rite going on in heaven – just like the in the Mass on earth.

Rev. 15:3-4 speaks of the “Gloria” being recited in heaven. You will hear this recited during the Mass on earth.

Rev. 4:4, 5:14; 11:16, 14:3, 19:4 mentions the presbuteros(oi) (priests) in heaven. On earth, the priest offers Jesus’ eternal and ongoing sacrifice during the Mass.

Rev. 5:8, 6:9-11, 8:3-4 speaks of the saints in heaven interceding on our behalf – just as they are petitioned in the Mass.

Rev. 4:8 speaks of heaven's un-ending hymn of praise to God, “Holy, Holy, Holy”. This very same prayer is recited in the Mass.

Rev. 2:17 speaks of manna in heaven that is given to the faithful. Likewise, during the Mass, we receive the true manna - the Eucharist.

Rev. 5:8, 8:3-4 speaks of incense being used in heaven which has been part of the celebration of the Mass from the beginning.

Rev. 6:9 tells us about the martyrs under the heavenly altar which is mirrored by the Church's tradition of having relics of saints under the altars of our churches on earth.

Rev. 5 speaks of the Lamb (describing Jesus). During the Mass, Jesus is described as the Lamb of God during the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

Rev. 8:3, 11:1, 14:18, 16:7 speaks of an altar being present in heaven – which illustrates that an eternal sacrifice is being offered. That sacrifice is the very same one being offered on the altar during the Mass.

Rev. 14:4 speaks of those who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They are celibate. In the same way, our celibate priests and religious here on earth follow the Lord.

Rev. 15:7, 16:1-4, 8, 10, 12, 17; 21:9 speaks of chalices (bowls) being used in the heavenly liturgy. Likewise, chalices are used to offer our Lord’s eternal sacrifice on earth during the Mass.

Rev. 17, 19:9 speaks of consuming the Lamb at the marriage celebration in Heaven. This is done at every single Mass on earth during Communion.

Rev. 19:1, 3, 4, 6 speaks of the “Alleluia” being recited in heaven. You will find this recited at every Mass here on earth.

These are just a FEW of the Biblical constructs of the Mass.
Do your homework before embarrassing yourself any further . . .

amigo de christo · Sep 12, 2020

Yes i am new here everyone .
We should be looking out for one another .
In this day and age so many are getting caught up in dangerous ideals and for the sake of unity and fellowship they are overlooking
the dangers others are in .
We must not cease to warn against that which is dangerous to any one person .
WE must truly have the LOVE that comes from GOD upon us . And that love would desire none to perish .
IF we see folks in a faith which is dangerous we must warn them .
We should look out for others .
True love would warn anyone who is in any danger of any deceptoin .
Its why i both pray for catholics and i try and help them see the errors of that religoin .
You all please pray about this . But we must look out for one another and that includes catholics . Thus
when we witness to them we must tell them of the dangers they are in within that faith .
Its not love at all to leave folks in danger . Please , i pray all will really consider this .

BreadOfLife · Sep 12, 2020

Truther said:
You just debunked Jesus per Mark 16:16.

What'a ya know - we agree.
The Bible is clear - we are SAVED at Baptism (1 Pet. 3:21, John 3:5, Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16).

Hidden In Him · Sep 12, 2020

Grams said:
I wonder if the C. C. has changed ??????

I was not saved,,, and when I was young I went to the C. C.
my parents and sister and brother also. they are all gone,,,,,,,,,,
I also brought my girl friend to the C. C.
Our younger son got us out of the c.c. he wanted to use the bible.
As our C. C. did not,,,,,,,,,,,, just the prayer book.

The thing is ,,,, I was a teen back then, and got my girl friend to go also and she is still catholic.
I want to get her out of it, but do not know how.
I no longer see her or talk to her on the phone
I just write to her in letters.
and I remember back then when I was Catholic , I would not let any one speak to me about other religions.
So I am now wondering how to write to her , and keep our friendship going after 80 years..........
any ideas ? thanks..........

Hi Grams! Good to see you again.

My wife has a Catholic relative, and they talk each other's ears off. Maybe they both think they are evangelizing each other, but in the end I just think they enjoy each other's company. So just don't insist on pushing your faith down her throat and don't let her do likewise, and just keep praying for her and see where it goes.

BreadOfLife · Sep 12, 2020

Phoneman777 said:
A man dies and is greeted at the Pearly Gates by St. Peter. He takes the man on walk down one of the golden streets and the man notices a huge mansion on the side of the street.
"WOW!!! that a HUGE place! Who lives there, St. Peter?"
"That's where the Baptists live."
They continue on down the street and soon come to another huge mansion.
"WOW, St. Peter!!! That place is even bigger! Who lives there?"
"The Methodists live there."
They continue on down the street passing one huge mansion after the next and one by one, St. Peter tells the man who the residents are: "That's where the Pentecostals live...that's where the Lutherans live...that's where the Congregationalists live..."
Finally, they come to the end of the street which runs up to a huge brick wall.
"WOW!!! St. Peter, look at the size of that wall!!!"
"Keep your voice down!!! St. Peter whispered to the man loudly.
"Why, St. Peter? What's on the other side?"
"The Catholics...they think they're the only ones up here."

My parish priest told that joke during his homily a few months ago.
Funny . . .

Enoch111 · Sep 12, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
By the way - isn't this "Reformation Wall" a violation of the Commandment against graven images?

Since no one worships or prays to the Reformers, that does not apply. But there is no question that Catholics pray to Mary and many worship and adore her. There statues and images found in profusion all around the world.

Prayer Warrior · Sep 12, 2020

amigo de christo said:
Yes i am new here everyone .
We should be looking out for one another .
In this day and age so many are getting caught up in dangerous ideals and for the sake of unity and fellowship they are overlooking
the dangers others are in .
We must not cease to warn against that which is dangerous to any one person .
WE must truly have the LOVE that comes from GOD upon us . And that love would desire none to perish .
IF we see folks in a faith which is dangerous we must warn them .
We should look out for others .
True love would warn anyone who is in any danger of any deceptoin .
Its why i both pray for catholics and i try and help them see the errors of that religoin .
You all please pray about this . But we must look out for one another and that includes catholics . Thus
when we witness to them we must tell them of the dangers they are in within that faith .
Its not love at all to leave folks in danger . Please , i pray all will really consider this .

Welcome to the forum, Amigo! I like your username. Habla español?

BreadOfLife · Sep 12, 2020

Prayer Warrior said:
Hi, Barny, I don’t think Catholic with a capital ”c” and catholic with a lowercase “c“ are the same thing at all. Perhaps at first the Catholic Church was considered the universal church, but it quickly became an organization that began to wield way too much control over people’s lives. The true universal church (meaning ALL believers) has NEVER been limited to one organization and never will be.

Well - if you ARE an language teacher - this should interest you . . .

There are several 2nd century documents that use the term "Catholic Church". The first is from Ignatius of Antioch's Letter to the Smyrnaeans around the year 207 AD. He was Bishop of Antioch and was a student of the Apostle John, so he learned about Christ directly from an Apostle. Here is an excerpt:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Notice the mention of obeying the clergy in its proper hierarchy. Notice also the mention of the Eucharist and the "Catholic Church."
Besides the obvious mention of the "Catholic Church" - what Church does this sound like to you?

Another document, called the Martyrdom of Polycarp also uses this phrase. Only this time - it is definitely used as a TITLE - and NOT a mere description:
Excerpt from The Martyrdom of Polycarp:
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath.

The words, καθ ολης (katah-holos) is GREEK for “throughout" and "according to the whole” (universal).
If "Catholic Church" is NOT used as a title here in this document - which, by the way, is ALSO written in GREEK - it would be horribly redundant, if not comical. It would go something like this:
"... and the whole throughout whole Church throughout the world ..."

It is blindingly clear that this document is using the term Catholic Church as a TITLE and not a mere description or the wording would make no sense whatsoever.

BreadOfLife · Sep 12, 2020

Enoch111 said:
Since no one worships or prays to the Reformers, that does not apply. But there is no question that Catholics pray to Mary and many worship and adore her. There statues and images found in profusion all around the world.

If somebody "worships" a statue - they did NOT learn this from the Catholic Church.
This is idolatry and is condemned by the Church - always HAS been.

This is akin to ME telling YOU that "ALL" Protestants are meth-smoking homosexuals because Ted Haggard got caught doing those things.
I am smart enough to understand that what he did was NOT sanctioned by ANY Protestant group - and YOU should be smart enough to understand the same about Catholics who worship statues.

Philip James · Sep 12, 2020

BarnyFife said:
Not sure I follow you.

Jesus did not command empty rituals...

Peace!

Prayer Warrior · Sep 12, 2020

BreadOfLife said:
Well - if you ARE an language teacher - this should interest you . . .

There are several 2nd century documents that use the term "Catholic Church". The first is from Ignatius of Antioch's Letter to the Smyrnaeans around the year 207 AD. He was Bishop of Antioch and was a student of the Apostle John, so he learned about Christ directly from an Apostle. Here is an excerpt:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Notice the mention of obeying the clergy in its proper hierarchy. Notice also the mention of the Eucharist and the "Catholic Church."
Besides the obvious mention of the "Catholic Church" - what Church does this sound like to you?

Another document, called the Martyrdom of Polycarp also uses this phrase. Only this time - it is definitely used as a TITLE - and NOT a mere description:
Excerpt from The Martyrdom of Polycarp:
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath.

The words, καθ ολης (katah-holos) is GREEK for “throughout" and "according to the whole” (universal).
If "Catholic Church" is NOT used as a title here in this document - which, by the way, is ALSO written in GREEK - it would be horribly redundant, if not comical. It would go something like this:
"... and the whole throughout whole Church throughout the world ..."

It is blindingly clear that this document is using the term Catholic Church as a TITLE and not a mere description or the wording would make no sense whatsoever.

Hi, BOL, sorry, but Polycarp sounds like a fish, lol.

All believers make up the universal Church, and another word for universal is catholic. Perhaps the organization that came to be known as the Catholic Church should have chosen another name because it has NEVER represented ALL believers on earth at any one time. IF Polycarp was saying that it did, then he had it wrong. At present, the CC doesn't even represent most believers on earth.

I believe it was Jesus Christ who said, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them” (Matt 18:20).

Truther · Sep 13, 2020

BarnyFife said:
Agreed. There is much that must be done by the believer, but none of it has any power to save.

Wrong, the Apostle said "save yourself from this untoward generation..."

This means "be baptized for the remission of your sins...".

Even the false concept of thinking(believing) your way into being saved is works.

There is no way out of working your own salvation out.

There are no Catholics in Heaven.

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