The Days Of The Last Trumpet

whirlwind · Apr 3, 2010

The Days of the Last Trumpet!

1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, "Peace and safety;" then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

The destruction is sudden but doesn't come on us suddenly. Through the years we are inundated with deception....waves of lies engulf us as the labor pains do a woman...the woman being the church. The lies tell us "peace and safety" is promised when God's Word tells us to prepare for the tribulation.

But, this thread isn't about the false promise of a rapture before the tribulation. What stood out in the above passage as I read it this morning was....The day of the Lord comes not after the night but "in the night." In or during the night...the day comes.

My understanding is the day arrives at the seventh and last trump. But consider the "day" the trumpet sounds.....

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.

So there are "days of" the sounding of that last trumpet. When he"begins" to sound and when he sounds for then...."it is done." What are those days? Who are His servants that prophesy?

Revelation 11:3-6 And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

11:14-15 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

16:17-18 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done." And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great,

16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

How long does the angel sound? Does it begin at the first of the 1,260 days? When does it end? Are all of those days filled with the sounding or....does the sounding end when he pours his vial and "it is done?" Does that mark the beginning of the last five months when there are (spiritual) "great earthquakes and hail?"

The day comes quietly, as a thief, in the night....during Satan's tribulation. Not when his hour is over but during his hour. The sixth and seventh trumpets overlap.

Christina · Apr 3, 2010

You know I love ya whirl but be careful here you are putting God and Satan together God grants Satan a short time for a reason
he distingished the seperate trumps for a reason ..For What reason would God share his trump with Satans ?

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This is Satan tribulation when he comes as antichrist but let us read on

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

What is this ? ....after this tribulation it would defy common sense then to think that this verse goes back to before the tribulation of the 5th/6th trump ......

This is the beginning of the Lords tribulation, the Lords day(Isa13:13) but it is not against overcomers and Elect this is Gods Wrath upon Satan, and his it has nothing to do with the first tribulation, Satans tribulation(5th/6th trump) . It is done...... Now its Gods turn
This is the the 7th trump the beginning of the Lords Day. What does God say of this we can read of this in Rev.

Revelation 15
1And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

What are these 7 last plagues? They are Gods wrath

7And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
Rev 16 goes on to tell us of this wrath God pours out on Satan but lets look at another description of the Lords Day in the book of Zephaniah

Zephaniah 1:2-3 (NIV)
Warning of Coming Destruction
2 "I will sweep away everything
from the face of the earth,"
declares the LORD.
3 "I will sweep away both men and animals;
I will sweep away the birds of the air
and the fish of the sea.
The wicked will have only heaps of rubble [a]
when I cut off man from the face of the earth,"
declares the LORD.

Against Judah
4 "I will stretch out my hand against Judah
and against all who live in Jerusalem.
I will cut off from this place every remnant of Baal,
the names of the pagan and the idolatrous priests
I used the NIV above to make it clear to all what God is saying here
KJV Zephaniah 1:2-3

2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the LORD.

3I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD.

4I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;

5And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;

6And them that are turned back from the LORD; and those that have not sought the LORD, nor enquired for him.

7Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
This sets our time period

8And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

9In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshold, which fill their masters' houses with violence and deceit.

10And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate, and an howling from the second, and a great crashing from the hills.

11Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off.

12And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.

13Therefore their goods shall become a booty, and their houses a desolation: they shall also build houses, but not inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, but not drink the wine thereof

15That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

16A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.

17And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

18Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

What day is this the Day of the Gods wrath the in that day of the 7th trumpet the Lords day Satan and all that follow him God will bring an end. ....
And Satan will be bound 1000 years

A third wittness to the Lords day being Gods wrath, a tribulation on Satan and his is found in

Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD [is] at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces [shall be as] flames.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

In these two posts we can see Isa. Rev.and Zephaniah three wittness that give testomony that that the Lords Day, the 7th trump , Gods wrath on Satan
are all the same day

I know there is some thought out there that these last seven vials of Gods wrath are poured out during the the 5th and 6th trump, that can not be
as the 7th trump is Gods,the Lords Day, And God pours out his wrath on Satan . The lords day does not start until immediatly after the tribulation of Satan (Mat.24:29) anyone who can count knows 7 comes after 6.

When the Lords Day /God wrath starts Satans time has already ended ..............

lecoop · Apr 3, 2010

whirlwind said:
The Days of the Last Trumpet!

1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, "Peace and safety;" then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

The destruction is sudden but doesn't come on us suddenly. Through the years we are inundated with deception....waves of lies engulf us as the labor pains do a woman...the woman being the church. The lies tell us "peace and safety" is promised when God's Word tells us to prepare for the tribulation.

But, this thread isn't about the false promise of a rapture before the tribulation. What stood out in the above passage as I read it this morning was....The day of the Lord comes not after the night but "in the night." In or during the night...the day comes.

My understanding is the day arrives at the seventh and last trump. But consider the "day" the trumpet sounds.....

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.

So there are "days of" the sounding of that last trumpet. When he"begins" to sound and when he sounds for then...."it is done." What are those days? Who are His servants that prophesy?

Revelation 11:3-6 And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

11:14-15 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

16:17-18 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done." And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great,

16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

How long does the angel sound? Does it begin at the first of the 1,260 days? When does it end? Are all of those days filled with the sounding or....does the sounding end when he pours his vial and "it is done?" Does that mark the beginning of the last five months when there are (spiritual) "great earthquakes and hail?"

The day comes quietly, as a thief, in the night....during Satan's tribulation. Not when his hour is over but during his hour. The sixth and seventh trumpets overlap.

Sorry, but you cannot rearrange the book of Revelation, and your whim, or because of your theories. Always remember:

Any theory that must rearrange John's God given Chronology is immediately suspect, and will be proven wrong.
LECOOP

If you will note, John shows us the breaking of EVERY seal, before the first trumpet is sounded, and then the sounding of all seven trumpets before the first vial is poured out. You cannot rearrange these! Or, if you do, you will be wrong. No trumpet's "overlap." Yes, the effects of one trumpet will be seen in the next; as it when 1/3 of the population are killed at the 6th trumpet, they are still dead at the 7th. And perhap all the grass is still burned up, and perhaps 1/3 of the trees are still burned.

The "day of the Lord," does come suddenly, and brings "sudden destruction." "They get the "sudden destruction" but we don't. Why is that? Because the church is caught up at the rapture as THE FIRST EVENT of the sudden destruction. This happens at the 6th seal, before the 70th week has started. As Paul said, we have no appointment with His wrath. His wrath will begin with the 7th seal, which officially opens the day of the Lord, AND the 70th week.

If you will read the 6th seal closely, it is the SIGN of the beginning of the day of the Lord. Both Isa. 2 and Joel 2 point straight to the 6th seal as their final fulfillment. And BOTH speak of the day of the Lord. Therefore, it begins with the FIRST trumpet, not the last one. EVERY trumpet is a part of the wrath of God, a part of the day of the Lord, and a part of the 70th week.

The two witnesses will indeed be witnessing. You have that right. They show up in Jerusalem 3 1/2 days before the 7th trumpet sounds. They witness for 1260 days, lay dead for 3 1/2 days, and are resurrected at the time of the 7th vial. WHEN does the 7th angel sound? At the exact midpoint of the 70th week; also at the exact moment that the abomination is taking place on earth. The 7th trumpet "marks" the exact midpoint of the week.

Don't confuse the vials with the sounding of trumpets. The 7th trumpet is the KEY that allows the vials to be poured out. The 7th vail is poured out 3 1/2 years AFTER the 7th trumpet sounds. The 7th vial finishes the 70th week.

Coop

Christina said:
You know I love ya whirl but be careful here you are putting God and Satan together God grants Satan a short time for a reason
he distingished the seperate trumps for a reason ..For What reason would God share his trump with Satans ?

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This is Satan tribulation when he comes as antichrist but let us read on

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

What is this ? ....after this tribulation it would defy common sense then to think that this verse goes back to before the tribulation of the 5th/6th trump ......

This is the beginning of the Lords tribulation, the Lords day(Isa13:13) but it is not against overcomers and Elect this is Gods Wrath upon Satan, and his it has nothing to do with the first tribulation, Satans tribulation(5th/6th trump) . It is done...... Now its Gods turn
This is the the 7th trump the beginning of the Lords Day. What does God say of this we can read of this in Rev.

Revelation 15
1And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

What are these 7 last plagues? They are Gods wrath

7And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
Rev 16 goes on to tell us of this wrath God pours out on Satan but lets look at another description of the Lords Day in the book of Zephaniah

Zephaniah 1:2-3 (NIV)
Warning of Coming Destruction
2 "I will sweep away everything
from the face of the earth,"
declares the LORD.
3 "I will sweep away both men and animals;
I will sweep away the birds of the air
and the fish of the sea.
The wicked will have only heaps of rubble [a]
when I cut off man from the face of the earth,"
declares the LORD.

Against Judah
4 "I will stretch out my hand against Judah
and against all who live in Jerusalem.
I will cut off from this place every remnant of Baal,
the names of the pagan and the idolatrous priests
I used the NIV above to make it clear to all what God is saying here
KJV Zephaniah 1:2-3

2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the LORD.

3I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD.

4I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;

5And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;

6And them that are turned back from the LORD; and those that have not sought the LORD, nor enquired for him.

7Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
This sets our time period

8And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

9In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshold, which fill their masters' houses with violence and deceit.

10And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate, and an howling from the second, and a great crashing from the hills.

11Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off.

12And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.

13Therefore their goods shall become a booty, and their houses a desolation: they shall also build houses, but not inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, but not drink the wine thereof

15That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

16A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.

17And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

18Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

What day is this the Day of the Gods wrath the in that day of the 7th trumpet the Lords day Satan and all that follow him God will bring an end. ....
And Satan will be bound 1000 years

A third wittness to the Lords day being Gods wrath, a tribulation on Satan and his is found in

Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD [is] at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces [shall be as] flames.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

In these two posts we can see Isa. Rev.and Zephaniah three wittness that give testomony that that the Lords Day, the 7th trump , Gods wrath on Satan
are all the same day

I know there is some thought out there that these last seven vials of Gods wrath are poured out during the the 5th and 6th trump, that can not be
as the 7th trump is Gods,the Lords Day, And God pours out his wrath on Satan . The lords day does not start until immediatly after the tribulation of Satan (Mat.24:29) anyone who can count knows 7 comes after 6.

When the Lords Day /God wrath starts Satans time has already ended ..............

Sorry, but you are as mixed up as Whirlwind about the Day of the Lord. It begins with the 7th seal. God's wrath is immediately felt with the first trumpet.
When the beast does the abomination, and begins his reign of terror, that is when God pours out the vials of His wrath, to SHORTEN "those days" of "great tribulation." So God's wrath and Satan's wrath are happening at the same time. NO vial is poured out until ALL SEVEN of the trumpets have sounded. Why is there such an urge to rearrange the book?

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate...

Do we not see this happening with the very first trumpet? Of course we do. God's wrath begins with the first trumpet.

Coop

jerryjohnson · Apr 3, 2010

lecoop said:
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ThThey witness for 1260 days, lay dead for 3 1/2 days, and are resurrected at the time of the 7th vial.

Coop

Coop, where does Scripture say they witness for 1260 days?

Christina · Apr 3, 2010

dear Coop you've always been confused on this issue
how can the Lords Day start before he gets here?

He comes at the 7th trump/ last trump ......not the 7th seal ...

Antichrist comes first as 2 thess. tells you, first the man of sin must be revealed, he isnt revealed until the 5th/6th trump.
Christ comes at the 7th and 6 comes before 7 everytime you count it ...

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

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Martin W. · Apr 4, 2010

Just to make things interesting (it will drive some folks bananas) do the following:

When studying The Trumpets there are several places where all of mankind is completely accounted for. But the Church appears to be completely absent.

You would almost think the Lord has removed it before his day of wrath.

A careful study may Rupture some preconceived notions , but is that not what bible study is all about?

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I am willing to follow the teachings of men if those teachings are confirmed by careful study on my part. Some folks do not like that but I will never change. I suspect they will not change either. Therefore arguing is pointless. Careful self-study is not pointless. Trumpet scripture accounts for all people on earth during that time. Read carefully. Find out if you are there. You are the Church.

Best regards
Martin W.

jerryjohnson · Apr 4, 2010

Christina said:
dear Coop you've always been confused on this issue
how can the Lords Day start before he gets here?

He comes at the 7th trump/ last trump ......not the 7th seal ...

Antichrist comes first as 2 thess. tells you, first the man of sin must be revealed, he isnt revealed until the 5th/6th trump.
Christ comes at the 7th and 6 comes before 7 everytime you count it ...

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

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The day begins with the night. "the evening and the morning were the first day."

whirlwind · Apr 4, 2010

lecoop said:
Sorry, but you cannot rearrange the book of Revelation, and your whim, or because of your theories. Always remember:

Any theory that must rearrange John's God given Chronology is immediately suspect, and will be proven wrong.
LECOOP

If you will note, John shows us the breaking of EVERY seal, before the first trumpet is sounded, and then the sounding of all seven trumpets before the first vial is poured out. You cannot rearrange these! Or, if you do, you will be wrong. No trumpet's "overlap." Yes, the effects of one trumpet will be seen in the next; as it when 1/3 of the population are killed at the 6th trumpet, they are still dead at the 7th. And perhap all the grass is still burned up, and perhaps 1/3 of the trees are still burned.

I'm not rearranging. Yes....every seal is broken before the trumpets sound as they tell us what will happen. They are prophecy. Yes....the trumpets sound before the vials are poured.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The "day of the Lord," does come suddenly, and brings "sudden destruction." "They get the "sudden destruction" but we don't. Why is that? Because the church is caught up at the rapture as THE FIRST EVENT of the sudden destruction. This happens at the 6th seal, before the 70th week has started. As Paul said, we have no appointment with His wrath. His wrath will begin with the 7th seal, which officially opens the day of the Lord, AND the 70th week.

You are mistaken. You just said the seals are broken before the trumpets and here you say the opposite. I agree that we aren't appointed to His wrath.

If you will read the 6th seal closely, it is the SIGN of the beginning of the day of the Lord. Both Isa. 2 and Joel 2 point straight to the 6th seal as their final fulfillment. And BOTH speak of the day of the Lord. Therefore, it begins with the FIRST trumpet, not the last one. EVERY trumpet is a part of the wrath of God, a part of the day of the Lord, and a part of the 70th week.

No...the vials are filled with His wrath, not the trumpets.

The two witnesses will indeed be witnessing. You have that right. They show up in Jerusalem 3 1/2 days before the 7th trumpet sounds. They witness for 1260 days, lay dead for 3 1/2 days, and are resurrected at the time of the 7th vial. WHEN does the 7th angel sound? At the exact midpoint of the 70th week; also at the exact moment that the abomination is taking place on earth. The 7th trumpet "marks" the exact midpoint of the week.

Remember....one thousand years is as a day. Are these literal three and one half days or...3,500 years? Are the many witnesses literally dead or are their "dead bodies" their carnal nature?

Don't confuse the vials with the sounding of trumpets. The 7th trumpet is the KEY that allows the vials to be poured out. The 7th vail is poured out 3 1/2 years AFTER the 7th trumpet sounds. The 7th vial finishes the 70th week.

Coop

I try not to.

whirlwind · Apr 4, 2010

jerryjohnson said:
The day begins with the night. "the evening and the morning were the first day."

Good morning Jerry.

I just read a really interesting study a few days ago concerning day, evening and night.

As you quoted...."the evening and the morning were the first day," but....the evening isn't night. I always considered the evening being the beginning of night but not the Hebrews! It would be better translated as "afternoon."

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Those twelve hours contain sunrise to sunset....day and evening.

1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

The night and darkness is separate from the day and the light. Night is not part of the "twelve hours in the day."

The evening, rather than being counted with nighttime, according to the Hebrews, begins at 12:00. The sun is then "even," directly overhead (90 degrees from the horizon). The next "even" is when the sun is even with the horizon....sunset. There are two evens in the day and those two are evening.

"In the evening." Hebrew, between the two evenings, or, according to Lightfoot, between the decline of the sun (after noon) and its setting. ~ Companion Bible.

I've copied part of the information for you and hope you find it as interesting as did I.....

Between the evenings describes a 6 hour period of time.... and here is a Biblical example of what I speak from "Young's Literal Translation":

[Exodus 12:6] 6 'And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;

[Exodus 16:12] 12 I have heard the murmurings of the sons of Israel; speak unto them, saying, Between the evenings ye eat flesh, and in the morning ye are satisfied with bread, and ye have known that I am Jehovah your God.'

[Exodus 29:39-41] 39 the one lamb thou dost prepare in the morning, and the second lamb thou dost prepare between the evenings; 40 and a tenth deal of fine flour, mixed with beaten oil, a fourth part of a hin, and a libation, a fourth part of a hin, of wine, is for the one lamb. 41 'And the second lamb thou dost prepare between the evenings; according to the present of the morning, and according to its libation, thou dost prepare for it, for sweet fragrance, a fire-offering, to Jehovah: --

[Exodus 30:8] 8 and in Aaron's causing the lamps to go up between the evenings, he doth perfume it; a continual perfume before Jehovah to your generations.

These examples are just from Exodus and the phrase appears many other times in scripture.... meaning between high noon and sunset.

(snip)

Six or so hours later the Hebrews noticed the sun sliding below the western horizon and declared it to be even with the ground....thus the entire period the sun was declining in the sky became known as "Even----ning".....and then shortened to evening. Thus, the daylight hours consisted of morning and evening (Afternoon) as substantiated by [Genesis 1:3-4].

This has caused total confusion with many Bible students because it is a foreign concept to call the afternoon....evening. When most people think evening, they think darkness and moonlight. Our entire culture is accustomed to this definition so when scripture says "Evening" in the Hebrew, the natural thought is....darkness.

Hebrew transliterated: [Genesis 1:3-5]
3 wayyō’mer ’ĕlōhîm yəhî ’wōr wayəhî-’wōr:
4 wayyarə’ ’ĕlōhîm ’eṯ-hā’wōr kî-ṭwōḇ wayyaḇədēl ’ĕlōhîm bên hā’wōr ûḇên haḥōšeḵə:
5 wayyiqərā’ ’ĕlōhîm| lā’wōr ywōm wəlaḥōšeḵə qārā’ lāyəlâ wayəhî-‘ereḇ wayəhî-ḇōqer ywōm ’eḥāḏ: f

KJV: [Genesis 1:3-5] 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The word "Ereb" is Hebrew for "Evening" and the usage I have been providing is for "Arbayim" which is the plural. you can find its uses here: http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednameb...B615.htm#S6153

So....the entire afternoon period is called the evening.....and the beginning and the end are called even.

Today, being the 14th of Nisan is what the Jews referred to as the first day of Unleavened upon their return from Babylon. Prior to that, it was just considered the preparation day. Today is the day Our Savior was killed. He was hung on the stake after being abused, beaten, spit upon, insulted and tried under mockery. He died "Between the Evenings" (plural) on this date at 3:00 P.M. His 72 hours under the control of mortal mankind referred to in scripture as the "Heart of the Earth" [Matthew 12:40] began about 15 hours ago (my California time) at about 3:00 A.M. when He was arrested in the garden and taken to the home of the Chief Priest.

His resurrection would be 72 hours later on the first of the weekly Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost....at early morning. This would be the 17th of Nisan....three days and three nights after entering the "Heart of the Earth". This year we celebrate His resurrection on Thursday, Nisan 17. As I type these words, Joseph of Arimathia would have been preparing His tomb for burial shortly before sunset.....now about an hour away. As the sun sets at "Even" today the Calendar becomes the 15th of Nisan and the first day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread begins [Leviticus 23:6]. Wednesday the 16th begins the "Count of the Omer"..... the 50 days to Pentecost which will be celebrated on Sivan 6 or Wednesday the 19th of May.

A blessed Passover and Feast of Unleavened to all.

jerryjohnson · Apr 4, 2010

whirlwind
How many "watches" are there during the night? When do they start?

If you go by what you wrote you will come up short. Watch!

Do you know what the Night of the Lord is?

whirlwind · Apr 4, 2010

jerryjohnson said:
whirlwind
How many "watches" are there during the night? When do they start?

If you go by what you wrote you will come up short. Watch!

Do you know what the Night of the Lord is?

Exodus 12:42 It is a night to be much observed unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt: this is that night of the LORD to be observed of all the children of Israel in their generations.

The "night of the Lord" is the tribulation.

I never considered the "watches" before.

Exodus 14:24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,

Judges 7:19 So Gideon, and the hundred men that were with him, came unto the outside of the camp in the beginning of the middle watch; and they had but newly set the watch: and they blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers that were in their hands.

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

Psalm 63:6 When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches.

Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

Luke 12:38 And if He shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

Bullinger writes.....

Old Testament
First watch - 9 pm till midnight
Middle watch - midnight till 3 am
Morning watch - 3 am till 6 am

New Testament
First watch - 6pm to 9pm
Second watch - 9pm to midnight
Third watch - midnight to 3 am
Fourth watch - 3 am to 6 am

There are four watches in the night. I'm afraid I don't understand how that is coming "up short" from the previous post. Please explain.

whirlwind · Apr 4, 2010

Christina said:
You know I love ya whirl but be careful here you are putting God and Satan together God grants Satan a short time for a reason
he distingished the seperate trumps for a reason ..For What reason would God share his trump with Satans ?

Hi Christina....love you too!

The trumps are described separately but does one trump begin only when one ends? The sixth trump is about Satan but his short season is only part of his sixth trump...the final five months.

In replying to Jerry Johnson's question about the watches I realized.....

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

The fourth watch is from 3am to 6am...in the night! During the night (Satan's time) Jesus went/goes unto His disciples!

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This is Satan tribulation when he comes as antichrist but let us read on

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

What is this ? ....after this tribulation it would defy common sense then to think that this verse goes back to before the tribulation of the 5th/6th trump ......

This is the beginning of the Lords tribulation, the Lords day(Isa13:13) but it is not against overcomers and Elect this is Gods Wrath upon Satan, and his it has nothing to do with the first tribulation, Satans tribulation(5th/6th trump) . It is done...... Now its Gods turn
This is the the 7th trump the beginning of the Lords Day. What does God say of this we can read of this in Rev.

Revelation 15
1And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

What are these 7 last plagues? They are Gods wrath

7And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

8And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
Rev 16 goes on to tell us of this wrath God pours out on Satan but lets look at another description of the Lords Day in the book of Zephaniah

Zephaniah 1:2-3 (NIV)
Warning of Coming Destruction
2 "I will sweep away everything
from the face of the earth,"
declares the LORD.
3 "I will sweep away both men and animals;
I will sweep away the birds of the air
and the fish of the sea.
The wicked will have only heaps of rubble [a]
when I cut off man from the face of the earth,"
declares the LORD.

Against Judah
4 "I will stretch out my hand against Judah
and against all who live in Jerusalem.
I will cut off from this place every remnant of Baal,
the names of the pagan and the idolatrous priests
I used the NIV above to make it clear to all what God is saying here
KJV Zephaniah 1:2-3

2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the LORD.

3I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD.

4I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;

5And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;

6And them that are turned back from the LORD; and those that have not sought the LORD, nor enquired for him.

7Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.
This sets our time period

8And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

9In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshold, which fill their masters' houses with violence and deceit.

10And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate, and an howling from the second, and a great crashing from the hills.

11Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off.

12And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil.

13Therefore their goods shall become a booty, and their houses a desolation: they shall also build houses, but not inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, but not drink the wine thereof

15That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

16A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.

17And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

18Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

What day is this the Day of the Gods wrath the in that day of the 7th trumpet the Lords day Satan and all that follow him God will bring an end. ....
And Satan will be bound 1000 years

A third wittness to the Lords day being Gods wrath, a tribulation on Satan and his is found in

Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD [is] at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces [shall be as] flames.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

In these two posts we can see Isa. Rev.and Zephaniah three wittness that give testomony that that the Lords Day, the 7th trump , Gods wrath on Satan
are all the same day

I know there is some thought out there that these last seven vials of Gods wrath are poured out during the the 5th and 6th trump, that can not be
as the 7th trump is Gods,the Lords Day, And God pours out his wrath on Satan . The lords day does not start until immediatly after the tribulation of Satan (Mat.24:29) anyone who can count knows 7 comes after 6.

When the Lords Day /God wrath starts Satans time has already ended ..............

There are now wars, deception, sorrows, false prophets and during this time we are delivered "to be afflicted." Also during this time we "see," understand the abomination....

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whosoreadeth, let him understand)

24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you and ye shall be hated of all nations for My name's sake.

24:19-20 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in THOSE DAYS! but pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

There are two separate times of tribulation....both belonging to Satan for he is prince of this world and has ruled with his tribulation for a long, long time. After "those days" mentioned above we face the "great tribulation."

24:21 For THEN SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except THOSE DAYS should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: for for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS shall be shortened.

There we have "those days" of the great tribulation. Before we had "those days" preceeding the great tribulation. So we have two segments of tribulation, both referred to as "those days." The first "those days" I see as the past 3,500 years (3 1/2 of God's days). So where it is written.....

Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

That "those days" follow the first part of the tribulation. The days spoken of here are when the sun is darkened, etc. This is Satan's five months, his time of darkness, his night! Is this when the seventh trump "begins to sound?" Is this the "fourth watch" of the night when Jesus goes unto His elect, when He...dwells IN THEM, WALKS IN THEM.........

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

He, in His elect, walks on the sea....the sea being.....

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

1 Corinthians 15:25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

Part of our Father's wrath being poured out are the plagues and those plagues are....Satan and his deception. He unleashes Satan's five months on the world.

Christina · Apr 4, 2010

You are still assuming the Lords day falls in Satan's time it does not ...and your told this several times
Satan time is not the Lords night ...

The Lords day does not start until Satan time 5months (5th and 6th trump is done ...... One day can not start before the previous one has ended .... Yes it runs from Sunset to sunset but the Lords Day starts Immediately after Satans time
its 1000 years long ...5 months is only equal to one hour in a 1000 year day .... You are using your own terms not Gods
We are in a falling away ...you have termed it a spirtual tribulation, not Gods Word ..he has resevered the term here in Mathew to mean a period of time of Satan.

The Lords Day is the day of his Wrath .... He gathers the 144.000 from the four corners of the earth he gathers the overcomers that have come out of the great tribulation (Rev.7) and he then prepares to pour out his Wrath on Satan ...

He canot gather the overcomers until they have overcome and he gives them 5 months to overcome Satan ....

Only when Satan times is done does God know who the overcomers are ....Then he pours out his wrath on Satan you are putting the cart before the horse

whirlwind · Apr 4, 2010

Christina said:
You are still assuming the Lords day falls in Satan's time it does not ...and your told this several times
Satan time is not the Lords night ...

The Lords day does not start until Satan time 5months (5th and 6th trump is done ...... One day can not start before the previous one has ended .... Yes it runs from Sunset to sunset but the Lords Day starts Immediately after Satans time
its 1000 years long ...5 months is only equal to one hour in a 1000 year day .... You are using your own terms not Gods
We are in a falling away ...you have termed it a spirtual tribulation, not Gods Word ..he has resevered the term here in Mathew to mean a period of time of Satan.

Remember.....He tells us His Day comes IN THE NIGHT. The night is Satan's time.

1 Thessalonians 5:2,5 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

The Lords Day is the day of his Wrath .... He gathers the 144.000 from the four corners of the earth he gathers the overcomers that have come out of the great tribulation (Rev.7) and he then prepares to pour out his Wrath on Satan ...

He canot gather the overcomers until they have overcome and he gives them 5 months to overcome Satan ....

Only when Satan times is done does God know who the overcomers are ....Then he pours out his wrath on Satan you are putting the cart before the horse

That is a good point but I see that time as their final chance to repent....even as they deal with the plagues. The plagues are of His wrath and yet...they have an opportunity to repent:

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

16:9, 11 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give Him glory. And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

He gives them that last opportunity to overcome but He knows those that believe and they aren't appointed to His wrath....

Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on His adversaries, and He reserveth wrath for His enemies.

Luke 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Christina · Apr 4, 2010

Then Satans time must be very long

This is a misinterptation of scripture it does not say he comes at the night

1 Thessalonians 5:2,5 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

It means he comes Unsuspecting when you least expect it to me . but even if you see it other wise it still doesnt nessarily mean at night but can be ready to fight back just as scripture says Satan does when he calls his troops to Armageddon.

Mar 14:48 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and [with] staves to take me?

Luk 22:52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?

if he comes and gathers his own at sunset assuming a day starts at sunset .... Then how long is the night in 1000 year period ?

you are still bouncing from a 24 hour day and 1000 day year. you cant have both

If the Lord comes at his day (1000 years) and it starts at sunset how long is a night in 1000 year period of time if one hour is 5 months then how long is a night ?

Christina said:
Then Satans time must be very long

This is a misinterptation of scripture it does not say he comes at the night

1 Thessalonians 5:2,5 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. It means he comes Unsuspecting when you least expect it if he comes and gathers his own at sunset assuming a day starts at sunset .... Then how long is the night in 1000 year period ?

you are still bouncing from a 24 hour day and 1000 day year. you cant have both

If the Lord comes at his day (1000 years) and it starts at sunset how long is a night in 1000 year period of time if one hour is 5 months then how long is a night ?

I might add at this point there is no night of the Lord ever mentioned in scripture ...its legalism not scripture ...
Satan is bound for 1000 years if you spiritually see Satan is the darkness he is gone ...Therefore no need for a night to come he is not the God of darkness.
and the planets and the sun and moon are moved out of their orbits as Isa. says on the Day of the LORD /the day of his wrath
then there is no night of the lord and if there is then figuring out when it is would be impossible as without a sun and moon there is no longer a 24 hour day and we can not judge time the same old way.

The millenium is called the Day of the Lord for a reason . Not the day and night of the Lord. God states the Day of The Lord is his Day of Wrath which is immediately after the great tribulation on the world by Satan .... Why does God grant Satan his short time then interfer with it by trying to destroy him ..It defeats the entire purpose of Allowing Satan his time ...which is to turn the hearts of the children back to the father
he allows a short time for this.... Then he comes and gathers his own then he pours out his wrath, God doesnt harvest out of season .... If one understands that the night would have to come hour/hours after sunset and one hour is 5 moths then three hours our time would 15 months .... Do you think it will take God 15 months to deal with Satan ? How long would an entire night be then ? certainly not the one hour(5 months) Satan
How long is a night in a 1000 year day ?

whirlwind · Apr 4, 2010

Christina said:
Then Satans time must be very long

This is a misinterptation of scripture it does not say he comes at the night

1 Thessalonians 5:2,5 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. It means he comes Unsuspecting when you least expect it if he comes and gathers his own at sunset assuming a day starts at sunset .... Then how long is the night in 1000 year period ?

But there is a beginning of the Day of the Lord. It isn't that the night is 1000 years but that the 1000 year Day begins, or cometh "in the night" and the night is the time of Satan. Bullinger writes of the "in" of in the night......

"en governs only one case (the Dative), and denotes being or remaining within, with the primary idea of rest and continuance. It has regard to place and space (e.g. Matt. 10:16......(snip) It is also used for the efficient cause as emanating from within, and hence has sometimes the force of by, denoting the instrument, with, passing on to union and fellowship; en denoting inclusion, and sun....denotes also continuance in time."

It appears to be correctly translated and that the meaning is the day is a continuance of the night.

you are still bouncing from a 24 hour day and 1000 day year. you cant have both

If the Lord comes at his day (1000 years) and it starts at sunset how long is a night in 1000 year period of time if one hour is 5 months then how long is a night ?

:blink: What? :lol: That's too complicated for someone my age.

We know that the Lord's day is 1000 years. We don't know when it begins but we do know "the day of the Lord comes in the night." We also know "And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea." The fourth watch is - 3 am to 6 am. He tells us....[Mark 13:35] Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: The cockcrowing is the fourth watch....when Peter denied Him.

I might add at this point there is no night of the Lord ever mentioned in scripture ...its legalism not scripture ...

That is my point. The Day of the Lord cometh in the night and the night isn't the Lord's time....it is Satan's.

Satan is bound for 1000 years if you spiritually see Satan is the darkness he is gone ...Therefore no need for a night to come he is not the God of darkness.
and the planets and the sun and moon are moved out of their orbits as Isa. says on the Day of the LORD /the day of his wrath
then there is no night of the lord and if there is then figuring out when it is would be impossible as without a sun and moon there is no longer a 24 hour day and we can not judge time the same old way.

The millenium is called the Day of the Lord for a reason . Not the day and night of the Lord. God states the Day of The Lord is his Day of Wrath which is immediately after the great tribulation on the world by Satan .... Why does God grant Satan his short time then interfer with it by trying to destroy him ..It defeats the entire purpose of Allowing Satan his time ...which is to turn the hearts of the children back to the father
he allows a short time for this.... Then he comes and gathers his own then he pours out his wrath, God doesnt harvest out of season .... If one understands that the night would have to come hour/hours after sunset and one hour is 5 moths then three hours our time would 15 months .... Do you think it will take God 15 months to deal with Satan ? How long would an entire night be then ? certainly not the one hour(5 months) Satan
How long is a night in a 1000 year day ?

It isn't that He is "dealing with Satan." He is dealing with those He wants to repent.

Christina · Apr 4, 2010

The Lords Day has nothing to do with Satan time ...The night of the Lord is not scripture as we agree its leaglism in Gal. we are told not to use leaglism to make doctrine ... I guess we just have too agree to disagree here.

I still contend you are reading into scripture what isnt there ..
... As always in scripture you can have dual meanings and miss the forest through the trees. as you know. So the night of the Lord if you insist there is one started with Adam and ends When Satans 5 months is over.

In a spirtual sense we have been in the night of the Lord for 6000 years .... but this is not what the great tribulation is about which is why Satans time is given in earthly months and Gods given in heavenly days.

We have been living in the night of the Lord for 6000 years its about to come to end .... Maybe this is why nights are not mentioned in genesis they would all cover a 6000 year period

The Day of the Lord then starts at the 7th trump After Satan tribulation his 5 months not during it.
And he then pours out his wrath just as we have many wittness to .... And again it doesnt say he comes in the night ... as a thief refers to a state of readieness. Not a time of day....IMHO

jerryjohnson · Apr 4, 2010

Christina said:
The Lords Day has nothing to do with Satan time ...The night of the Lord is not scripture as we agree its leaglism in Gal. we are told not to use leaglism to make doctrine ... I guess we just have too agree to disagree here.
I still contend you are reading into scripture what isnt there ..
... As always in scripture you can have dual meanings and miss the forest through the trees. as you know. So the night of the Lord if you insist there is one started with Adam and ends When Satans 5 months is over.

In a spirtual sense we have been in the night of the Lord for 6000 years .... but this is not what the great tribulation is about which is why Satans time is given in earthly months and Gods given in heavenly days.

We have been living in the night of the Lord for 6000 years its about to come to end .... Maybe this is why nights are not mentioned in genesis they would all cover a 6000 year period

The Day of the Lord then starts at the 7th trump After Satan tribulation his 5 months not during it.
And he then pours out his wrath just as we have many wittness to .... And again it doesnt say he comes in the night ... as a thief refers to a state of readieness. Not a time of day....

I have never figured out why you think Satan's time is 5 months. You can't find that in Scripture either. The time is shortened for the elect's sake, and the time of the locust is five months but Scripture does not connect the two only your imagination does..

Christina · Apr 4, 2010

jerryjohnson said:
I have never figured out why you think Satan's time is 5 months. You can't find that in Scripture either. The time is shortened for the elect's sake, and the time of the locust is five months but Scripture does not connect the two only your imagination does..

Because they are not real locusts Jerry as God promised never again to send real insects(locusts) to earth the Star that falls is a him and he Satan is given the key ....study Joel Locusts Army that doesnt yet have a King that king is Satan
its symbolism for Satan fallen Angel Army ...Satan is given the key to the bottomless pit to release them.
They are given 5 months but they can not hurt those with the seal of God only the unsealed ...

jerryjohnson · Apr 4, 2010

Christina said:
Because they are not real locusts Jerry as God promised never again to send real insects(locusts) to earth the Star that falls is a him and he Satan is given the key ....study Joel Locusts Army that doesnt yet have a King that king is Satan
its symbolism for Satan fallen Angel Army ...Satan is given the key to the bottomless pit to release them.
They are given 5 months but they can not hurt those with the seal of God only the unsealed ...

I understand that! I know about the five months!! But Scripture does not say time was shortened to five months.

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