JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

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Who did Jesus refer to then as being his God?
first thanks for the reply, second, did you not hear me before? his God, is ownership, not above in any kind of authority, if so then you lied.
but let's get the correct understanding of, "MY GOD". my God is "MY SPIRIT", for God is a Spirit per Jon 4:24a. lets see it again, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." while on earth in flesh his, his, his, Spirit was in heaven. so my God is me Diversified in Heaven. lets see it again in another example.

Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

ok DaChaser, who name did he write? his name. listen, "and I will write upon him the name of my God". now this, "and I will write upon him my new name." my God is ME, who is Spirit, per John 4:24a. I, I, I, will write my, my, my, my, new name.

Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder both can see that.

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oh you're so close to the truth. A. care to care to explain how God was in JESUS when JESUS is fully God? or did 1/3 of God was in Jesus? .... (smile) lol. I'll be looking for that answer.

ok, if the Father was dwelling in Him and He Jesus is God, that's two Gods. and here's why I say this, listen carefully. 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." now if you say the Father, (who is "a" Spirit, per John 4:24a), is not the Son and vice versa, here Spirit is capitalized. now if they are separate, as you say, you have two Spirit, and that's anti bible, care to explain?

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Jesus is the New Testament Tabernacle AND the Spirit that dwells within it.
He is the High Priest AND the Sacrificial Lamb.
The First AND the Last / Beginning AND the End.

Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
[20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Jesus said, "...the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." (John 14:10)

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Jesus is the Father/Almighty manifest in the flesh.


Now as far as the Holy Ghost...

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


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@user, thanks for the scriptures, but the thing that you're missing is that Jesus, the Holy Spirit is both Father and son.

let me give it to you one step at a time ok. listen and follow the question. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

notice the scripture said, "equal with God", not equal "to" God, but "With" God. now the question, "is there anyone equal to God?" before you answer, listen carefully,

Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." (me and I are single persons designations. and if there was another or two more person as the trinity states in the Godhead, one said that there is no equal with, "me", "I". and do not the trinity say all three are equal? see your problem now.)

Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" (did you understand what ONE PERSON IS SAYING).

now back to Philippians 2:6, "Jesus is equal with". so how is Jesus equal when the same "one" person in Isaiah 46:5 and Isaiah 40:25 states that he have no equal. ....... are the light bulbs coming on now? think about it.

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GINOLJC, to all.

Yelp that's JESUS who is Father. so your first ERROR of the day,
Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." A. this is the LORD, the one whom you calls Father. B. the Saviour, and JESUS is Saviour. now the next verses.

Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. kcnalp, did you hear God say "I" am God. not we or "us"..... :p

"Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." WHAT? unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. AND THAT'S JESUS..... :rolleyes: ... LOL. oh slow of heart, when will you learn.......


did the bible say it was...... :p

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You say the Father isn't God. You totally contradict the NT.

Titus 1:4 (NKJV)
4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.
 

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GINOLJC, to all.

Yelp that's JESUS who is Father. so your first ERROR of the day,
Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." A. this is the LORD, the one whom you calls Father. B. the Saviour, and JESUS is Saviour. now the next verses.

Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. kcnalp, did you hear God say "I" am God. not we or "us"..... :p

"Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." WHAT? unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. AND THAT'S JESUS..... :rolleyes: ... LOL. oh slow of heart, when will you learn.......


did the bible say it was...... :p

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You can smokescreen all day and all night but the NT says "God the Father".

2 Peter 1:17 (NKJV)
17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
 

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You say the Father isn't God. You totally contradict the NT.

Titus 1:4 (NKJV)
4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.
You can smokescreen all day and all night but the NT says "God the Father".

2 Peter 1:17 (NKJV)
17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
you have been reprove, over and over, so you're dismissed.

see ya.

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Now JESUS the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost from the OT.

Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:"
Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."

this was fulfilled on Pentecost, but the question, "who spirit was poured out on Pentecost", and please note the small case "s" in spirit. :D I jus love the KJV. it reveals so much, that's if one been traind what to look for.

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you have been reprove, over and over, so you're dismissed.

see ya.

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Dismissing the Bible won't work well for you on Judgment Day. Nearly every Book in the NT says "God the Father".
Jude 1:1 (NKJV)
1 Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:
 

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Now JESUS the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost from the OT.

Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:"
Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."

this was fulfilled on Pentecost, but the question, "who spirit was poured out on Pentecost", and please note the small case "s" in spirit. :D I jus love the KJV. it reveals so much, that's if one been traind what to look for.

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Jesus isn't the Son of God? Have you ever read a Bible?
 

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@user, thanks for the scriptures, but the thing that you're missing is that Jesus, the Holy Spirit is both Father and son.

let me give it to you one step at a time ok. listen and follow the question. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

notice the scripture said, "equal with God", not equal "to" God, but "With" God. now the question, "is there anyone equal to God?" before you answer, listen carefully,

Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." (me and I are single persons designations. and if there was another or two more person as the trinity states in the Godhead, one said that there is no equal with, "me", "I". and do not the trinity say all three are equal? see your problem now.)

Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" (did you understand what ONE PERSON IS SAYING).

now back to Philippians 2:6, "Jesus is equal with". so how is Jesus equal when the same "one" person in Isaiah 46:5 and Isaiah 40:25 states that he have no equal. ....... are the light bulbs coming on now? think about it.

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Did you assume I believed in the man-made theory that evolved around 325AD?

This is what I am saying:

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4)

1. The NAME of the Son is Jesus. = for the angel told Joseph, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS” (Matthew 1:21).

2. The Name of the Father is Jesus. = Jesus said, “I am come in my Father’s name” (John5:43). He said to the Father, “I have manifested thy name ... I have declared unto them thy name” (John17:6, 26).

3. The NAME of the Comforter is Jesus. = Jesus also said, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things” (John 14:26).


Someone had a question about "God the Father".

My response is, Yes "God the Father" is Bible.
However, you will NOT find "God the Son" or "God the Holy Ghost" written like that. And, for very good reason = because He is NOT a trinity.

The difference in the Godhead is "flesh" and "Spirit" --- NOT 3 persons.
Father, the Almighty Spirit manifested himself in flesh and dwelt among us reconciling the world unto HIMSELF! (2 Corinthians 5:19)

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GINOLJC, to all.

Yelp that's JESUS who is Father. so your first ERROR of the day,
Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." A. this is the LORD, the one whom you calls Father. B. the Saviour, and JESUS is Saviour. now the next verses.

Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. kcnalp, did you hear God say "I" am God. not we or "us"..... :p

"Isaiah 45:23 "I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." WHAT? unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. AND THAT'S JESUS..... :rolleyes: ... LOL. oh slow of heart, when will you learn.......


did the bible say it was...... :p

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let us make man in our image, in our likeness, he has become as one of us, eh?
 

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let us make man in our image, in our likeness, he has become as one of us, eh?


Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image [singular], after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

You forgot to look at the very next verse...

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image [singular], in the image of God created he [singular] him; male and female created he [singular] them.



You also inquired about Genesis 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us..."

The "is become as one of us" depicts the following...

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word(G3056) was with God, and the Word was God.


The definition of G3056 is λόγος / logos, which means of speech, a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea.

God spoke with "logos" (speech) thus created....

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Later, in the New Testament we read...

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us..."

The Logos/Word was not a person from eternity, the Logos becoming a person was in the mind and plan of the Almighty from the beginning as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, but did not become a person until the birth from the virgin, Mary.

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Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image [singular], after our likeness
that is true. our and us is a single Person to be diversified in time to come. for all time is one time for God. for this is the first prophetic prophecy in the bible concering the Godhead. and true verse 27 bare this out. for the apostle by the Holy Spirit made it clear, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." that "figure" is he himself God almighty.

it was not the spoke word that manifest, but the Spirit himself.

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that is true. our and us is a single Person to be diversified in time to come. for all time is one time for God. for this is the first prophetic prophecy in the bible concering the Godhead. and true verse 27 bare this out. for the apostle by the Holy Spirit made it clear, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." that "figure" is he himself God almighty.

it was not the spoke word that manifest, but the Spirit himself.

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You say the Father isn't God. You don't believe Jesus is the Son of God? And no, I don't expect you to give a clear answer.
 
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that is true. our and us is a single Person to be diversified in time to come. for all time is one time for God. for this is the first prophetic prophecy in the bible concering the Godhead. and true verse 27 bare this out. for the apostle by the Holy Spirit made it clear, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." that "figure" is he himself God almighty.

it was not the spoke word that manifest, but the Spirit himself.

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If you are saying Jesus is the Father/Almighty in the flesh ... yes I agree.

The Almighty dwelt between the cherubs above the mercy seat ... and Jesus is the New Testament Tabernacle whereby the Almighty dwelt in him (the man/flesh Christ).


I'm not sure what your saying about that whole "diversified" of God. Your coming across as like a pie-chart in three slices - which would make each slice of God 1/3 God each - essentially a three headed deity. Can you clarify please?

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If you are saying Jesus is the Father/Almighty in the flesh ... yes I agree.
yes, but your next statement is not in agrement, and here's why,
The Almighty dwelt between the cherubs above the mercy seat ... and Jesus is the New Testament Tabernacle whereby the Almighty dwelt in him (the man/flesh Christ).
listen as you said above Jesus is the Father/Almighty in the flesh, right. but the "spirit" that was given when that flesh was born, which is the tabernacle, or the Body, that "spirit" was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'). notice the lower case "s" in spirit. that nature is the Father's nature, but not the STATE of the Father that is in that tabernacle. do you see what I'm saying. this spirit that was G2758 κενόω kenoo, is the diversified or shared state of the Father while in flesh, on earth, better know as the offspring of David. understand me?

so the Father, the Holy Spirit, JESUS is shared "EQUALLY" in Spirit, but in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state in natural flesh as a man. supportive scripture, Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."

this man, God's fellow is he, GOD, himself "shared" in flesh. how do we know this? for the term FELLOW here is the Hebrew word,
H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

see that #2. definition kindred man.
now watch this, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
that term "Offspring" is the Greek word,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock

see the definition above, "kin" as in kinsman Redeemer, is what Zechariah 13:7 state who is the man that is God "Fellow", kindred man. THAT'S JESUS CHRIST. and both definition state, this man is, "concrete", meaning not abstract/Spirit, but have a form, per Phil 2:7.

what Zechariah 13:7, and Revelation 22:16 is saying that God almighty the ETERNAL SPIRIT, GOD, is shared in flesh as a man, his own Image of Genesis 1:26. in the diversified state, or as the definition in Zechariah 13:7 states, the "ANOTHER" of his ownself.

see user, the LORD of Host, (the Father), is the Lord, (son), "shared" or Diversified in flesh. it is him, his self in flesh on earth and in heaven at the very same time as the Spirit.

did you follow the understanding? I'm not joking here, serious.

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yes, but your next statement is not in agrement, and here's why,

listen as you said above Jesus is the Father/Almighty in the flesh, right.
Right.


but the "spirit" that was given when that flesh was born, which is the tabernacle, or the Body, that "spirit" was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'). notice the lower case "s" in spirit.
Lower "s" - ok



that nature is the Father's nature, but not the STATE of the Father that is in that tabernacle. do you see what I'm saying.

State means condition. what you say here makes no sense.
---the STATE condition of the father inside the tabernacle--- ???



this spirit that was G2758 κενόω kenoo, is the diversified or shared state condition of the Father while in flesh, on earth, better know as the offspring of David. understand me?
I know offspring of david = Jesus is the root (father) and the offspring (son) of david.

But the "condition" makes no sense.

This is what you've said thus far...
Jesus is the Almighty in the flesh. And, the spirit (lower case) was given to Jesus when he was born (Jesus having a small "s" spirit in him). That small "s" spirit is the nature of the Father but not the "condition" of the Father inside Jesus/the man.

You are giving attention to a small "s" spirit - However, Father (AKA Holy Spirit) is in Jesus/the man (tabernacle). So what is this small spirit?
 
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I'm serious too. Did you know Jesus is the Son of God? That means His Father is God. So, why do you say the Father isn't God?
GINOLJC, to all
The son of God is flesh, not spirit, once again, Father is a title of God and not God. TITLE are not persons. :eek:

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But the "condition" makes no sense.
Did you hear yourself. The Spirit is the ROOT? Hello, hello :D

Out of your own mouth, but yet without knowing.

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