How do you think people become unclean? By coming into contact with stuff that was unclean, no?
Where do aborted babies go?
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The Amalekites were so depraved, it may be wrong to think of them as human. God would not send pure souls to be born in that tribe. Only the demonic would seek to be born in that tribe. So far as I know, that tribe was wiped out completely too -- it's not a problem we face today.
Even if a tribe was wicked, God didn't give up on them immediately. Good souls would be sent, trying to help. But when things got so bad, so bad that "no flesh could be saved" by being born into that tribe, it was tribe for judgment -- when their iniquity became full. Thus Israel returned to the Land of Promise when the iniquity of the Amorites was full.
Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
I like to think God is merciful and that there is an age of accountability. But Icant write the Bible with what I want. All I know is God is just, and I do believe children have their place on Heaven. I know the Israelites children got to enjoy the Promise Land despite their parents' actions
quietthinker
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and so the labyrinth of error, both questions and answers escalate......till truth is no longer recognised as truth and one is backed into concerns and worries that need not be..... What is asked is based on ignorance....what is answered, based on distortions.
Giuliano: "Can you believe God would send innocent babies to hell? That doesn't seem right to me.
"Let the little children (including babies) come to me and do not stop them; for it is to such as these that the kingdom of God belongs (Mark 10:15)."
Like little children, aborted babies cannot make responsibly spiritual choices. So they will enter the kingdom of God at death.
"Take care that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels continually see the face of my Father in heaven (Matthew 18:10)."
By implication, little children and aborted babies have guardian angels with constant intercessory access to God and will compensate for the child's lack of moral accountability by protecthing them and seeing them through to heaven.
Giuliano: "If they go to Heaven, think about it. If they were born, they could become terrible sinners and wind up in hell. If someone killed them first, they'd go to Heaven. So can that be right? Could you be doing a baby a favor by aborting it and sending it to Heaven? That doesn't seem right to me either."
Jesus teaches that postmortem judgment is based on what we do with our limited opportunities to make correct spiritual choices (Matthew 7:2; Luke 12:47-48). Aborted babies have no chance to make spiritual choices. So they will be saved.
"Let the little children (including babies) come to me and do not stop them; for it is to such as these that the kingdom of God belongs (Mark 10:15)."
Like little children, aborted babies cannot make responsibly spiritual choices. So they will enter the kingdom of God at death.
"Take care that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels continually see the face of my Father in heaven (Matthew 18:10)."
By implication, little children and aborted babies have guardian angels with constant intercessory access to God and will compensate for the child's lack of moral accountability by protecthing them and seeing them through to heaven.
Giuliano: "If they go to Heaven, think about it. If they were born, they could become terrible sinners and wind up in hell. If someone killed them first, they'd go to Heaven. So can that be right? Could you be doing a baby a favor by aborting it and sending it to Heaven? That doesn't seem right to me either."
Jesus teaches that postmortem judgment is based on what we do with our limited opportunities to make correct spiritual choices (Matthew 7:2; Luke 12:47-48). Aborted babies have no chance to make spiritual choices. So they will be saved.
Do you have anything constructive to say on the subject? You say my question was based on ignorance -- do you have wisdom to share?
I don't worry about such things, because God is sovereign, merciful, and fair. Who can understand His ways? All I know is I can trust He makes the best decisions.
I agree with you. Very true that they have Guardian Angels in a way many adults do not.
Is abortion such a tragedy then? I think it is -- but more for the people committing the abortions than for the babies aborted.
First off, your avatar is awesome. I love kittens. But as to the question, I studied Catholic and other Christian denominations and are still learning much and am still new to it all. But I think God loves everyone but he just doesn't show it sometimes and that is why we have people that commit evil in this world. Some of the most evil sinners have turned around in prisons and elsewhere. Perhaps there are those that commit the unpardonable sin and even though God spoke to them and taught them, they denied him.
But we're talking about babies that have committed no sin. Then they are innocent. And the law has no effect (Romans 5:13 "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.")
Not that we're justified by the law anyways, we are saved by grace (Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:")
And Jesus loves the little ones (Matthew 18:6 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.") in fact we must become as a little child (Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.")
Cheers, Devin
Could the unborn have faith?
Do you believe then that if someone could lead a sinless life, he would be saved without needing the help of Jesus?And Jesus loves the little ones (Matthew 18:6 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.") in fact we must become as a little child (Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.")
Cheers, Devin
And what do we do with the concept of election? We see God looked at Jacob and Esau differently, even before they were born:
Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
quietthinker
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your view....your understanding....your conclusion on this matter is all based on the position of the dead not being dead.
If it's wisdom you are after I would suggest reviewing your whole paradigm on this with study, prayer (not repetitive prechewed utterances but open self honest heartfelt searching) and openness.
Jesus taught the people in spirit prison, and they could have had faith thru his teachings (1 Peter 3:19), so I don't see why, when meeting Jesus, a newborn spirit might not have faith in him. I'm sure Jesus has power to communicate with little ones and such, He is God.
Definitely needs Jesus, we are all subject to physical death, and in need of the resurrection of Christ. Aborting a fetus is evil because it kills them physically, and any act of killing physically or spiritually is a sin for man to commit. Except for certain circumstances as described in the Old Testament, but the New Testament might have circumvented those doctrines.
I think someone that is better at scriptural history would have to answer that one. I'm still somewhat new to the advanced teachings of the bible. I just know some of the basics. Sorry and Cheers
It is my solid belief that He ordered them slain because they were evil genetic hybrids called, "the Nephilim." When they died, their spirits were and are called, "demons."
The great flood of Noah happened so as to end these mutant monsters that were created by a group of 200 fallen angels called, "The Watchers." These angels had the ability to transform into anatomically correct humanoids. See Genesis 6. The King James bible missed the right interpretation this time by calling them, giants. "All giants were Nephilim but not all Nephilim were giants." If interested in learning more, check out L.A. Marzulli. He's a Christian and does good research. Just know that this rabbit hole goes pretty deep. Shalom.
Hi, Rita. Your opening line made me smile as I thought the same thing. Lol But I do appreciate her honesty and transparency. I believe that when God first created us, at conception, we were spirit. I have a theory that our spirit and experiences together "grow" our soul. It's just how it seems to me. Our spirit and soul make up our personality. Bye.
I'm no expert, but I will share something that I experienced .... this could take a bit....
First, I'll share that I was born into SRA (satanic ritual abuse) and MK Ultra. As a result of trauma that began in the womb, my mind was shattered, creating many many alters. The Lord has been at work to heal and merge all my shattered parts into one.
One day about 12 years ago, during a time the Lord called me into His presence for Him to minister, He drew forward a pre-birth part of myself (while I was co-present, observing His ministry to my brokenness). I saw as I was moving down the birth canal to be born. And (feeling what this part of me felt) I did not want to be born... I sensed the most evil presence there ready to receive me as soon as I was born. I sensed satan's hands there ready to snatch me up. Next, after I was born, I saw a blond haired woman in a black robe. (birth ritual)
The Lord dealt with this desire not to live, and gave us His truth ... that we/I was His and I was not the possession of satan. He kept me/us, even though satan tried to snatch me up.
Babies in the womb are able to sense both good and evil. Although that part of me was preverbal, she did not want to be birthed into the hands of evil... so much so, she would have rather not been born! First act of choosing, I suppose.... God knows and God sees. Just food for thought....
First, I'll share that I was born into SRA (satanic ritual abuse) and MK Ultra. As a result of trauma that began in the womb, my mind was shattered, creating many many alters. The Lord has been at work to heal and merge all my shattered parts into one.
One day about 12 years ago, during a time the Lord called me into His presence for Him to minister, He drew forward a pre-birth part of myself (while I was co-present, observing His ministry to my brokenness). I saw as I was moving down the birth canal to be born. And (feeling what this part of me felt) I did not want to be born... I sensed the most evil presence there ready to receive me as soon as I was born. I sensed satan's hands there ready to snatch me up. Next, after I was born, I saw a blond haired woman in a black robe. (birth ritual)
The Lord dealt with this desire not to live, and gave us His truth ... that we/I was His and I was not the possession of satan. He kept me/us, even though satan tried to snatch me up.
Babies in the womb are able to sense both good and evil. Although that part of me was preverbal, she did not want to be birthed into the hands of evil... so much so, she would have rather not been born! First act of choosing, I suppose.... God knows and God sees. Just food for thought....
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There is no man as blind as the blind man who believes he sees. Also, you are calling me a liar. Bye.
Hi Ron,
If the flood was to wipe the Nephilim out then how could they then become part of the heathen nation that was later commanded to be slain ?
@Giuliano - I thought you were a ‘ He ‘ ?
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