Is the one world government Biblical?

historyb · Sep 15, 2020

kcnalp said:
Revelation 22:19 (NKJV)
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Scripture doesn't exist in a vacuum as if you are Mr. it and everyone has to bow down to your ideas. Just quoting doesn't mean anything anyone can do that all day long and it don't mean much besides your lazy and can cut and paste Scripture. I do not bow down to your ideas as if you think your God.
By quoting a verse alone you want to disparage me, to @kcnalp I have not added nor taken away from the book of Revelations to St. John which was written in the 1st Century, rather you are mad because I don't share your outlook. I have a different interpretation and you don't like it, you want to everyone to be like you. I respect scared Scripture that was received from God through inspiration and you do not.

friend of · Sep 15, 2020

To the Preterists here...

Who were the 144,000 back then?

friend of · Sep 15, 2020

And who were the 2 witnesses?

kcnalp · Sep 15, 2020

historyb said:
Scripture doesn't exist in a vacuum as if you are Mr. it and everyone has to bow down to your ideas. Just quoting doesn't mean anything anyone can do that all day long and it don't mean much besides your lazy and can cut and paste Scripture. I do not bow down to your ideas as if you think your God.

See here is another lie from you, Satan works through you. By quoting a verse alone you want to disparage me, to @kcnalp I say to you get thee behind me Satan! I have not added nor taken away from the book of Revelations to St. John which was written in the 1st Century, rather you are mad because I don't share your outlook. I have a different interpretation and you don't like it, you want to everyone to be like you. I respect scared Scripture that was received from God through inspiration and you do not.

Preterist?

historyb · Sep 15, 2020

kcnalp said:
Preterist?

In a way yes. Not full not quite partial more 1/3 rd preterist

kcnalp · Sep 15, 2020

Preterists have some BIG surprises coming!

Revelation 9:15 (NKJV)
15 So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind.

friend of · Sep 15, 2020

Yeah when did THAT ^ happen?

Josho · Sep 15, 2020

friend of said:
Yeah when did THAT ^ happen?

Well I believe you just taught me something new.

So a preterist is someone who already believes the events of Revelation has taken place?

friend of · Sep 15, 2020

Pretty much. Most people who are Preterist are partial-preterists since they are honest enough to realize that so much eschatology has not been fulfilled

kcnalp · Sep 15, 2020

friend of said:
Pretty much. Most people who are Preterist are partial-preterists since they are honest enough to realize that so much eschatology has not been fulfilled

I can't even imagine being a full preterist.

Eternally Grateful · Sep 16, 2020

Josho said:
Well I believe you just taught me something new.

So a preterist is someone who already believes the events of Revelation has taken place?

I heard that word a lot also. And just learned what it means..

Pathfinder7 · Sep 16, 2020

friend of said:
Pretty much. Most people who are Preterist are partial-preterists since they are honest enough to realize that so much eschatology has not been fulfilled

Good point..
- About 'partial preterists/preterism.'
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Interesting to note..
- There are different views/perspectives in 'partial preterism.'

Prayer Warrior · Sep 16, 2020

kcnalp said:
They will keep pushing and pushing. The Mark may be a mandatory chip implant with all "health" records and proof of receiving the vaccine. Yes, I'm speculating but look how people are accepting the media lies right now. People are so terrified of almost nothing but media lies.

This may well be part of the reason given for taking the mark, but the actual mark of the beast is associated with worshiping the beast and/or its image. The following Bible passages in Revelation reveal this.

Question: "What is the mark of the beast?"

Answer: The main passage in the Bible that mentions the “mark of the beast” is Revelation 13:15-18. Other references can be found in Revelation 14:9, 11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, and 20:4. This mark acts as a seal for the followers of Antichrist and the false prophet (the spokesperson for the Antichrist). The false prophet (the second beast) is the one who causes people to take this mark. The mark is literally placed in the hand or forehead and is not simply a card someone carries.

Source: What is the mark of the beast? | GotQuestions.org

friend of · Sep 16, 2020

If you take the mark you are automatically worshipping the beast in God's sight. Doesn't matter if you personally bow and sing its praises or not.

FollowHim · Sep 16, 2020

kcnalp said:
Lots of people have already been chipped. Not the Mark, but chipped nevertheless. Why? Nearly everything is being controlled by chips.

So you would accept a government chip in your right hand?

As far as putting electronics inside me, there has to be a good reason for my health.
As far as information goes, access or anything, I am happy with keys and cards thanks.

I think this is the problem with your approach, talking as if an electronic chip conveys loyalty.
A tatoo of an image is closer to the biblical idea in revelation. It says publically where the person stands, and God declares this kind of loyalty declaration has eternal implications. I equally do not agree with tatoos.

historyb · Sep 16, 2020

Josho said:
Well I believe you just taught me something new.

So a preterist is someone who already believes the events of Revelation has taken place?

No, it depends on what type of Preterist. There are full Preterist and that is considered bad and there are partial ones who still wait for Christ coming back. Then there are folks like me whom does not believe that Revelations was written for now but mostly symbolic, written to give Christians in the first century hope reminding them in the end we win along with disciplining the seven Churches in Chapters 1 - 7. As far as me I do believe the only thing left is Acts 1:11

Stumpmaster · Sep 16, 2020

Josho said:
But in looking at this, I think we could both see how the Anti-Christ in the tribulation could be Satan in the flesh.

Whilst we can speak of the personification of Satan to emphasise characteristics and behaviours in play the Bible clearly shows that Satan, the beast, and the false prophet are separate entities.

While the beast and the false prophet are in the Lake of Fire, Satan is in the bottomless pit. Over 1000 years later Satan is also cast into the Lake of Fire to join them.

Rev 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (2) He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; (3) and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Rev 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Jay Ross · Sep 16, 2020

Stumpmaster said:
Whilst we can speak of the personification of Satan to emphasise characteristics and behaviours in play the Bible clearly shows that Satan, the beast, and the false prophet are separate entities.

While the beast and the false prophet are in the Lake of Fire, Satan is in the bottomless pit. Over 1000 years later Satan is also cast into the Lake of Fire to join them.

Rev 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (2) He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; (3) and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Rev 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Sorry I have to burst your bubble. The four beasts and the Little Horn, i.e. the False Prophet of the Book of Revelation, of Daniel 7, and Satan are all tossed out of heaven together, Isa 24:21-22 and imprisoned together in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. The Book of revelation confirms this fact. For the little horn/False Prophet, we find the confirmation in Chapter 13:11, and for the Beast, we find the confirmation in Chapter 17:8.

The other confirmation we find in Chapter 9.

You can argue against the above passages, but the Book of Revelation is not recorded chronologically. Chapter 19 and 20 tell of parallel events that happen to Christ and Satan. Both chapters have the same starting point in time, namely the start of the Final Age and both end, time wise, towards the very end of the Final Age.

Shalom.

PS: - As for the one world government, I have yet to find a description of it in the scriptures.

Josho · Sep 16, 2020

historyb said:
No, it depends on what type of Preterist. There are full Preterist and that is considered bad and there are partial ones who still wait for Christ coming back. Then there are folks like me whom does not believe that Revelations was written for now but mostly symbolic, written to give Christians in the first century hope reminding them in the end we win along with disciplining the seven Churches in Chapters 1 - 7. As far as me I do believe the only thing left is Acts 1:11

Hmm interesting..

Josho · Sep 16, 2020

Jay Ross said:
Sorry I have to burst your bubble. The four beasts and the Little Horn, i.e. the False Prophet of the Book of Revelation, of Daniel 7, and Satan are all tossed out of heaven together, Isa 24:21-22 and imprisoned together in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. The Book of revelation confirms this fact. For the little horn/False Prophet, we find the confirmation in Chapter 13:11, and for the Beast, we find the confirmation in Chapter 17:8.

The other confirmation we find in Chapter 9.

You can argue against the above passages, but the Book of Revelation is not recorded chronologically. Chapter 19 and 20 tell of parallel events that happen to Christ and Satan. Both chapters have the same starting point in time, namely the start of the Final Age and both end, time wise, towards the very end of the Final Age.

Shalom.

PS: - As for the one world government, I have yet to find a description of it in the scriptures.

Would you say the seals, the trumpets, the bowls are separate? Or do they play out together?

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