Just sayin'....that labouring does not make one devoid of the Spirit.
Thanks for clarifying.
The Ten Commandments—What happened?
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Thanks for clarifying.
CharismaticLady
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It is like James. Faith without works is dead. Different than what I was talking about. He's more in line with what you mean.
<<Works .. outside our sin nature.>> Fatal imagination fatal attraction
<<Rest in doing things naturally by the new nature>> Say it! Rest in doing things naturally by the new nature MEANS 1 THING: IT ABOLISHES THE 4TH COMMANDMENT.
You bluff no one but yourself.
CharismaticLady
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Of course it does. The Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant. We are in the New Covenant and the sign of the New Covenant is the Cup of the New Covenant, 1 Corinthians 11:25. By not knowing covenant theology, your denomination made a silly mistake.
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Gramophone and seven-singles records are redundant, and if scratched, they are thrown away.
And I don't have a denomination.
CharismaticLady
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Then why are you keeping the Old Covenant? Don't you know we are not under the written Law, but the Spirit, the New Covenant that does not have the Ten Commandments in it, thus no Sabbath law? What do you know about covenant theology? 2 Corinthians 3:6-11. Study to show yourself approved.
I keep the <old covenant> JUST LIKE YOU DO, BY BEING UNFAITHFUL. Get this into your few brain cells left, God has no <old covenant> -- NEVER HAD! The old covenant is man's empty promises and breaking of each as often as he makes them.
And if you maintain you <<are not under the written Law, but the Spirit>> you are just confirming you're a slave of the <old covenant>. There is no such thing as <<the New Covenant that does not have the Ten Commandments in it>> proven both by the secondary lie of your claim - which is FALSE, and by the primary fact you actually mean <<the New Covenant that does not have the FOURTH Commandment in it>> -- which is your LIE number one which you are too SCARED and ASHAMED to say plainly because of your sophistry.
CharismaticLady
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2 Corinthians 3:6-11
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
Dear CL, all you're doing here is stressing certain words over others and while I don't think you are trying to be deceitful, it's just the oldest trick in the book. We all learned it in grammar school. Stressing certain words changes the meaning of a sentence. The Holy Spirit is on one side of the question or the other, and none of us get to decide that for Him. In the end His decision will be obvious to all who are seeking truth.
Joh 7:17 KJV If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Covenant Theology is just one more over-emphasis that Bible students would do well to be without.
Christians are “ Dead” to the Law......fittingly so, as Paul called the Law out as “ weak and useless”.....waste your time, if you choose , dedicating your life to Performance , as opposed to God’s Way which is Grace Plus Nothing .....God’s “ Power to Save” is contained in Pauls Gospel found in 1cor15:1-4......Christianity 101..... You are stuck in the Damnable Man- Made Combo Of Judaism with a little bit Of Jesus attached to it.....let’s call it “ Juda-Anity”........ Good luck with your religion...
CharismaticLady
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Why couldn't those under the law keep the Ten Commandments? It was because they had to keep them against their nature. Sinners are opposed to the Law. That is why it was a ministry of death. I'm not stressing anything except what seems to be blind to some on here, especially the belligerent. Besides there IS a huge difference in the old covenant vs. the new covenant. I am not being deceitful. That is not my nature, but to bring those in the Old Covenant into the New Covenant of the Spirit. I know you believe that we are to still keep the Old Covenant, especially the Sabbath, by the Spirit now, but that is not the case, except to you. That is why you don't like stressing the obvious. It changes your understanding, but not mine.
The Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant. The New Covenant has it's own sign, making void the old sign. If you want to keep the old sign as well, fine. God honors you for it, and your beliefs makes it a sin to do otherwise. I understand that and do not fault you in any way for it. But the actual truth is so much more glorious in ways you can't even imagine.
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CharismaticLady
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There are worse things than for you to want to keep the Old Covenant law. There are those who stress so much not being under the law, that they have become lawless. That is neither the Old Covenant, nor the New Covenant.
Do you even believe there IS a New Covenant? Or have you just added Jesus to the Old Covenant and there it remains? Well, that is the most important part, so until otherwise, believe it. You certainly have my blessing.
"6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant"—
Paul and apostles, not you;
made ministers "sent from God" (ek tou Theou) by Jesus Christ in PERSON— not by your cult;
made "sufficient as ministers"— the Church has no need of more pretenders sent by Christ;
and the Church should expel the over-supply of incompetent conmen claiming to be Christ's ministers.
Paul and apostles made ministers of the Spirit the New Testament SCRIPTURES about the Incarnated Word of God, Jesus Christ; who were not ministers of "the LETTER that KILLED" - the MINISTRY which USED TO BE THE MINISTRY OF BLOOD SACRIFICES. But Paul and apostles were made ministers of the Spirit which through them breathed the Letter of the New Testament SCRIPTURES which now are the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST who "gives Life" and Himself is the very Life of Holy Writ which the Holy Spirit inspired the "holy men" of God to WRITE (not to be babbled noise of those who should be quiet in church)...
...like you, who "elevate yourself above That which Is Written", SCRIPTURE which CLEARLY DECLARES, "7the ministry of (blood sacrifices and) death (penalty for transgression— of the Ten Commandments) written and engraved on stones, was glorious! So glorious that the children of Israel could not look without trembling at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away", while the Glory of the ministry Paul and apostles were the ministers of, NEVER WILL BE REDUCED. "8How will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?"
Paul asks or rather states because he and his ministry were despised and rejected by the unbelievers and Godless and even by CHURCH MEMBERS.
Paul does not refer to YOUR SILLY SELF-RIGHTEOUS CLAIMS OF A MINISTRY OF THE SPIRIT! "9For .. the ministry of condemnation had glory", but yours and mine have NO glory. "The ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
NOW: if what before was glorious NOW has "no glory" what glory dare you or I boast who NEVER have had any glory?! So please STOP abusing Scripture to glorify your false cultish 'spirit-of-self-glory'.
CharismaticLady
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So from what you stressed (not), you believe Paul is saying that the ministry of the Spirit is not more glorious than the Old Covenant? Is that what you are saying?
When I read such verses as Galatians 3:10, they tell me that I am not to live a life that is in bondage to the law as a set of do's and don'ts that tells me how I am supposed to behave.
I am not under the law (Romans 6:14) am dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and am delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).
Because I am led of the Spirit (Galatians 5:18).
All the law is fulfilled in the singular commandment, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (Galatians 5:14).
If I stop worrying about the condemnation of the law and just begin to focus on loving other people, everything will fall into place.
The only way I can honestly do that is if I am forgiven of past, present, and future sins through the blood of Jesus Christ, and have received His Holy Spirit into my heart as an influence through which I will have the love of the Lord shed abroad in my heart (Romans 5:5).
As I live according to that love....as I do things motivated by that love in my heart....I will find that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me...but not because I am seeking to obey the law.
Rather, because I have entered into a relationship with the Holy Spirit (Jesus Christ) where I am obedient to the leadings and promptings of His love in my life.
There is no more condemnation coming from the law for the believer (John 5:24 (kjv), Romans 8:1a).
What defines me as a believer is that I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:1b).
If I focus on walking according to the Spirit, I will not walk after the flesh (Galatians 5:16).
So it is best to just put away the law as a factor that condemns you when you violate it; and just to begin focusing on doing that one thing that fulfills the law...loving on other people.
As one saint of the last generation put it, "Jesus, reduce me to love..."
Now, if I turn away my ears from hearing the law, even my prayer shall be an abomination. I need the law to tell me that I am a sinner (Romans 3:20). Without it, I may in fact begin to deceive myself thinking that I am without sin (see 1 John 1:8).
And it is also a good thing to look into the law of perfect liberty and to continue therein; not as a forgetful hearer; but as a doer of the work (James 1:25).
This is because the law gives us specifics on how to love God and neighbor.
So then, if I have the integrity spoken of in Matthew 5:33-37, for example, then I am acting according to a specific tenet that tells me what God's love is all about.
But if I go and say, "I will obey every specific tenet", I have missed the boat of relationship and have reduced myself to a religion based on a set of do's and don'ts.
What I need to do is seek the Lord as to how I can obey Him every day, as He speaks to me through His Spirit what He wants me to do. And He may indeed do that through His word.
But I need to be certain that what I have is a relationship and not a religion.
So then, it is a matter of looking to the Lord for His direction every day (Psalms 123:2).
I am not under the law (Romans 6:14) am dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and am delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).
Because I am led of the Spirit (Galatians 5:18).
All the law is fulfilled in the singular commandment, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (Galatians 5:14).
If I stop worrying about the condemnation of the law and just begin to focus on loving other people, everything will fall into place.
The only way I can honestly do that is if I am forgiven of past, present, and future sins through the blood of Jesus Christ, and have received His Holy Spirit into my heart as an influence through which I will have the love of the Lord shed abroad in my heart (Romans 5:5).
As I live according to that love....as I do things motivated by that love in my heart....I will find that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me...but not because I am seeking to obey the law.
Rather, because I have entered into a relationship with the Holy Spirit (Jesus Christ) where I am obedient to the leadings and promptings of His love in my life.
There is no more condemnation coming from the law for the believer (John 5:24 (kjv), Romans 8:1a).
What defines me as a believer is that I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:1b).
If I focus on walking according to the Spirit, I will not walk after the flesh (Galatians 5:16).
So it is best to just put away the law as a factor that condemns you when you violate it; and just to begin focusing on doing that one thing that fulfills the law...loving on other people.
As one saint of the last generation put it, "Jesus, reduce me to love..."
Now, if I turn away my ears from hearing the law, even my prayer shall be an abomination. I need the law to tell me that I am a sinner (Romans 3:20). Without it, I may in fact begin to deceive myself thinking that I am without sin (see 1 John 1:8).
And it is also a good thing to look into the law of perfect liberty and to continue therein; not as a forgetful hearer; but as a doer of the work (James 1:25).
This is because the law gives us specifics on how to love God and neighbor.
So then, if I have the integrity spoken of in Matthew 5:33-37, for example, then I am acting according to a specific tenet that tells me what God's love is all about.
But if I go and say, "I will obey every specific tenet", I have missed the boat of relationship and have reduced myself to a religion based on a set of do's and don'ts.
What I need to do is seek the Lord as to how I can obey Him every day, as He speaks to me through His Spirit what He wants me to do. And He may indeed do that through His word.
But I need to be certain that what I have is a relationship and not a religion.
So then, it is a matter of looking to the Lord for His direction every day (Psalms 123:2).
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Posts like yours give great comfort to me. If I had not stirred hatred and false accusations I know I have not been truthful to Scripture Truth. So Thanks for your post.
Compulsive liar you are, CL! Scripture for this draconic (popish) statement of yours? Of course, none! Well, here is the Almighty's statement, "The Son of Man The Lord Jesus Christ IS LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY."
