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I'm wondering where @Ferris Bueller went...
He hasn't been back in a couple of days now.
*Sigh*
And we were having such a good conversation too.
He hasn't been back in a couple of days now.
*Sigh*
And we were having such a good conversation too.
Q: Do you think you belong to the chosen ones who will have eternal life?
Yes. I think and believe that I am among those chosen unto salvation.
Q:And what makes you so sure?
By faith. I rest in God and have faith in the Word of God.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Thanks, praise, and glory be to God!
Tong
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Ferris Bueller
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In the Bible, you have to be called in order to be then be chosen. Nobody comes to God of his own accord, he must be drawn. It's just that most people resist this calling--this drawing--and as a result are not chosen by God.
Romans 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Tong
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Getitright
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Please elaborate. By Israel, are you referring to the Israelites, the physical descendants of Jacob?
Thanks.
Tong
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Getitright
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Ferris Bueller
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Deuteronomy 7:7-8
7The LORD did not set His affection on you (Israel) and choose you because you were more numerous than the other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. 8But because the LORD loved you and kept the oath He swore to your fathers (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), He brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Ferris Bueller
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...a calling and election that he will never revoke from Israel because he is bound by his word to the patriarchs concerning their calling and election.
Romans 11:28-29
...regarding election (being chosen), they are loved on account of the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). 29For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
Tong2020 said:
Please elaborate. By Israel, are you referring to the Israelites, the physical descendants of Jacob?
@Getitright
@Ferris Bueller
Concerning Israel, the Israelites, the physical descendants of Jacob, the ethnic nation Israel, yes they were chosen by God. However, here's what scriptures says about them. Paul explained in Romans 9, that they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham. That those who are the children of the flesh, are not the children of God. And if not the children of God, whose children are they? And if not the children of God, they are not among those chosen unto salvation, unto eternal life. This then tells us concerning the election of the nation Israel, that they were corporately (in contrast to individually) elected by God, that is as a nation, in keeping the oath God swore to Abraham, and that, for service. Clearly, the corporate election of ethnic nation Israel was not unto salvation, but unto the service of God, else, if unto salvation, then all the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, would have been said to be the children of God and are saved. But that is not the case.
I am pretty sure you read scriptures. In connection to this, in your reading of scriptures, considering what Paul said that not all Israel are of Israel, who do you say are the Israel of God, the chosen of God, the children of God?
Tong
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Please elaborate. By Israel, are you referring to the Israelites, the physical descendants of Jacob?
@Getitright
@Ferris Bueller
Concerning Israel, the Israelites, the physical descendants of Jacob, the ethnic nation Israel, yes they were chosen by God. However, here's what scriptures says about them. Paul explained in Romans 9, that they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham. That those who are the children of the flesh, are not the children of God. And if not the children of God, whose children are they? And if not the children of God, they are not among those chosen unto salvation, unto eternal life. This then tells us concerning the election of the nation Israel, that they were corporately (in contrast to individually) elected by God, that is as a nation, in keeping the oath God swore to Abraham, and that, for service. Clearly, the corporate election of ethnic nation Israel was not unto salvation, but unto the service of God, else, if unto salvation, then all the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, would have been said to be the children of God and are saved. But that is not the case.
I am pretty sure you read scriptures. In connection to this, in your reading of scriptures, considering what Paul said that not all Israel are of Israel, who do you say are the Israel of God, the chosen of God, the children of God?
Tong
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marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
I know I am a chosen one because I did not choose Jesus. I responded to his call to himself and the salvation he offered me.
Ferris Bueller
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Ferris Bueller
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That was the intent, but obviously, not all Israel has the faith of Abraham and are therefore not elected. They are called, but they are not elected. Most Israelites did not respond in faith to the calling they received. Meanwhile, believing Jews are among the elect. Paul himself being proof of that.
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Ferris Bueller
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Believing Christians who have the faith of Abraham are the chosen children of God. From among both the Jews and the gentiles.
The difference is that, the church is not only corporately elected but each one who belongs to the church are elected individually by God.
Acts 20:28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
The church corporately is chosen for salvation and those who belong to it are individually chosen for salvation, so that, all are saved.
Tong
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Are you suggesting that God, in His purpose or intent concerning His election of Israel had made a mistake or failed, in that, all of the ethnic nation of Israel are not saved? If that is what you are suggesting by what you say there, then I am sorry to say that, such position is not in keeping with scriptures relative to that. For the purpose of God according to election is sure to stand.
Tong
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