Perpetual virginity of Mary!

theefaith · Sep 18, 2020

Eternally Grateful said:
And?

can you tell us how Mary having sex with HER HUSBAND after she gave birth to Christ would have affected Christ’s diety and our salvation?

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

God’s holiness demands Her immaculate purity, read exodus and find anything connected to or consecrated to God that was not holy, and pure?

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s a vow of perpetual virginity, She refuses even the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our savior if it means violating Her vow)

She knows Joseph and is betrothed to Hum but does not know a man
( have sex )

theefaith · Sep 18, 2020

Prayer Warrior said:
You have just made my point for me! There is no spiritual unity in man's doctrine. Human reasoning cannot guide us into all truth. ONLY the Holy Spirit can do this! So much of what we call doctrine is based on man's understanding, and this is why there are so many denominations. I realize that I'm stepping on denominational toes when I say this, but so be it! I believe that when things really get tough in the West, I mean REALLY tough, denominational lines will fall away. A part of me looks forward to that day.

the Holy Spirit guides the apostles in the one true church Founded by Christ
Acts 8

BARNEY BRIGHT · Sep 18, 2020

Marymog said:
Hi Barney,

Once again....I understand that a majority of the Protestant scholars that YOU have personally read support your interpretation of Scripture.

As long as you understand that some Protestant scholars (including the original men of the Reformation) DISAGREE with your interpretation. You have chosen to believe a 500 year interpretation of scholarly men. I have chosen to believe a 2,000 year interpretation of scholarly men.

Sincerely Mary

It seems to me that too many think that interpretation of scripture itself is more important that what God's Holy Spirit inspired men to write down. When the scripture says that Joseph didn't know her(Mary) till after she had brought forth a son, it's self explanatory.
People want us to believe that this scripture the way God Holy Spirit inspired men to write it down which includes it's grammar and context is of no importance. This is why I don't let people's interpretation sway me to believe their way. People will interpret a scripture or scriptures to mean completely opposite of what Gods Holy Spirit inspired men to write down as though God's Holy Spirit is too ignorant to inspire men to write down accurately and clearly what God clearly means.

amigo de christo · Sep 18, 2020

theefaith said:
Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

God’s holiness demands Her immaculate purity, read exodus and find anything connected to or consecrated to God that was not holy, and pure?

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s a vow of perpetual virginity, She refuses even the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our savior if it means violating Her vow)

She knows Joseph and is betrothed to Hum but does not know a man
( have sex )

You clinging to a tradition of Rome . She had many other children with joseph .
And that does not make her less blessed either . MARY IS BLESSED . YES INDEED .
But the mary Rome has preached , IS NOT THE TRUE MARY . The true one will rebuke ROME on the day of judgment .
And the true peter will too . You are loved my friend . I know you mean well . i am not attacking you at all .
But i do invite us to return to bibles only . Just read it for yourself . Watch how refreshing those words can be .

Eternally Grateful · Sep 18, 2020

amigo de christo said:
because it comes from pagan roots sister . This will sting a bit for some folks , and i do not say it to be mean .
But Rome adapted to pagan religoins to WIN those religions . She like a chameleon . she appears as they , to draw them in .
What you speak of comes from pagan roots my friend . You are very correct . And now nigh the end
we see it flooding all over the places . ITS all about feminism and mother earth , mother this and mother that .
I think the babylonians called her , serm , it was something with an S . BUT ROME brought it in
to create what even constantine desired . a faith or religion that pandered to all mindsets . one that could easily
be controlled by politics , and controlled by whomever ruled thatreligoin too . it was death from its birth .
You are spot on correct . again i attacked no one here . I simply spoke truth about the dangers of rome .

She was called the queen of heaven in Greece Romans and other pagan mythologies. She just had different names

amigo de christo · Sep 18, 2020

Eternally Grateful said:
She was called the queen of heaven in Greece Romans and other pagan mythologies. She just had different names

YES INDEED . and the true mary has nothing to do with her . that mary , same as peter , gonna judge the lies
of ROME on judgement day , as will we all . My advice stands . BIBLES OPEN , READ and learn my friends .
AND SOUND Out the truth . CONTEND FOR THE TRUE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED unto the TRUE SAINTS .
And those apostels , all twelve , including paul , gonna judge rome . as they and will all saints judge the world one day .
ITS why my prayer is , COME YE OUT OF HER , and any who preaches contrary to the truth . CLING TO JESUS
CLING TO THOSE BIBLES .

Eternally Grateful · Sep 18, 2020

theefaith said:
Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

God’s holiness demands Her immaculate purity, read exodus and find anything connected to or consecrated to God that was not holy, and pure?

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
(This verse imply’s a vow of perpetual virginity, She refuses even the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our savior if it means violating Her vow)

She knows Joseph and is betrothed to Hum but does not know a man
( have sex )

That’s talking about the gate to the sanctuary not Mary’s sexual organ my God I pay you have more than this

theefaith · Sep 18, 2020

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
It seems to me that too many think that interpretation of scripture itself is more important that what God's Holy Spirit inspired men to write down. When the scripture says that Joseph didn't know her(Mary) till after she had brought forth a son, it's self explanatory.
People want us to believe that this scripture the way God Holy Spirit inspired men to write it down which includes it's grammar and context is of no importance. This is why I don't let people's interpretation sway me to believe their way. People will interpret a scripture or scriptures to mean completely opposite of what Gods Holy Spirit inspired men to write down as though God's Holy Spirit is too ignorant to inspire men to write down accurately and clearly what God clearly means.

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Sep 18, 2020

Mungo said:
God's word is truth but your personal and fallible interpretation may not be.

Well I think that when Jesus himself says he has a Father and God at John 20:17, that's not an interpretation? I believe what God's Holy Spirit inspired John to write down. When someone trys to convince me what Gods Holy Spirit inspired men to write down isn't true but instead some interpretation that says something completely opposite than what Gods Holy Spirit inspired men to write down I'm not going to agree with that.

Prayer Warrior · Sep 18, 2020

Eternally Grateful said:
I see it all over in paganistic theologies of all sorts but Not once in the word

It’s not my intent to offend my Catholic brothers and sisters, those who love Mary as the mother of our Lord, but I do see a connection as well. And I pray that all will be guided into the truth.

theefaith · Sep 18, 2020

amigo de christo said:
You clinging to a tradition of Rome . She had many other children with joseph .
And that does not make her less blessed either . MARY IS BLESSED . YES INDEED .
But the mary Rome has preached , IS NOT THE TRUE MARY . The true one will rebuke ROME on the day of judgment .
And the true peter will too . You are loved my friend . I know you mean well . i am not attacking you at all .
But i do invite us to return to bibles only . Just read it for yourself . Watch how refreshing those words can be .

I have only quoted the Bible alone as I understand it.
ok you say Mary is blessed. Why is She blessed!

Marymog · Sep 18, 2020

Eternally Grateful said:
James was written before Paul is I remember. So did James have to wait three hundred years before it was called scripture?
If so. Why? Why did God wait so long?

Hi EG,

Historically we know there were many letters being read at local churches that some churches considered Scripture and some churches didn't consider Scripture. Since there was disagreement amongst the churches as to what was Scripture The Church finally settled the dispute 300 years later so, in general, we didn't have to wait 300 years for James to be considered Scripture. It took 300 years before The Church dogmatically/infallibly affirmed it as Scripture along with 26 other letters.

You said "...pauls writings were even called scripture,..." and I agreed with you because in Scripture Paul's letters were called Scripture (2 Peter 3:16 ). That passage references "other Scriptures". What are those other Scriptures? It doesn't say that James was Scripture.

So what I was asking you is are there any historical writings that you know of that call the book of James Scripture or canonical? The earliest I can find is in Origen of Alexandria writings from the 3rd century. What man or men do we trust to reveal to us what is considered Scripture?

Mary

BARNEY BRIGHT · Sep 18, 2020

Mungo said:
Thank you.
I asked "what particular "written" does scripture tell us not to go beyond?"
I ask because there appears to be different understanding of that.

When God Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write down 1Corinthians 4:6t to “not go beyond the things that are written.” When asking for advice, we never want to promote our own opinions or simply say the first thing that comes to our mind. Rather, we should direct attention to the counsel found in the Bible. In this way, we acknowledge our limitations. With modesty, we give credit to the “righteous decrees” of the Almighty.—Rev. 15:3, 4. The righteous decrees of the Almighty, those writings that the Almighty God Holy Spirit inspired men to write down is what we should humbly agree is the truth and when someone goes by his/her opinion how a scripture is interpreted and they are saying something completely opposite of what God's Holy Spirit inspired men to write down we should always agree with what God's Holy Spirit inspired men to write down not man's opinions his/her interpretations.

Marymog · Sep 18, 2020

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
It seems to me that too many think that interpretation of scripture itself is more important that what God's Holy Spirit inspired men to write down. When the scripture says that Joseph didn't know her(Mary) till after she had brought forth a son, it's self explanatory.

Well, that is the way SOME men have interpreted Scripture. What men do YOU rely on to properly interpret Scripture?

Marymog · Sep 18, 2020

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
People want us to believe that this scripture the way God Holy Spirit inspired men to write it down which includes it's grammar and context is of no importance. This is why I don't let people's interpretation sway me to believe their way. People will interpret a scripture or scriptures to mean completely opposite of what Gods Holy Spirit inspired men to write down as though God's Holy Spirit is too ignorant to inspire men to write down accurately and clearly what God clearly means.

Sooooo no ones interpretation of Scripture can sway you? Even your own interpretation doesn't sway you?

Marymog · Sep 18, 2020

amigo de christo said:
You clinging to a tradition of Rome . She had many other children with joseph .
And that does not make her less blessed either . MARY IS BLESSED . YES INDEED .
But the mary Rome has preached , IS NOT THE TRUE MARY . The true one will rebuke ROME on the day of judgment .
And the true peter will too . You are loved my friend . I know you mean well . i am not attacking you at all .
But i do invite us to return to bibles only . Just read it for yourself . Watch how refreshing those words can be .

I missed the passage from scripture that Mary had "many other children with joseph." Can you share that passage?

Eternally Grateful · Sep 18, 2020

Marymog said:
Hi EG,

Historically we know there were many letters being read at local churches that some churches considered Scripture and some churches didn't consider Scripture. Since there was disagreement amongst the churches as to what was Scripture The Church finally settled the dispute 300 years later so, in general, we didn't have to wait 300 years for James to be considered Scripture. It took 300 years before The Church dogmatically/infallibly affirmed it as Scripture along with 26 other letters.

You said "...pauls writings were even called scripture,..." and I agreed with you because in Scripture Paul's letters were called Scripture (2 Peter 3:16 ). That passage references "other Scriptures". What are those other Scriptures? It doesn't say that James was Scripture.

So what I was asking you is are there any historical writings that you know of that call the book of James Scripture or canonical? The earliest I can find is in Origen of Alexandria writings from the 3rd century. What man or men do we trust to reveal to us what is considered Scripture?

Mary

Yep. Took God 300 years to put it all together
You need to read things you post and see what it really sounds like

BARNEY BRIGHT · Sep 18, 2020

Marymog said:
Well, that is the way SOME men have interpreted Scripture. What men do YOU rely on to properly interpret Scripture?

I believe what Gods Holy Spirit inspired men to write down. Interpretation belongs to God.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Sep 18, 2020

Marymog said:
Sooooo no ones interpretation of Scripture can sway you? Even your own interpretation doesn't sway you?

I believe what Gods Holy Spirit inspired men to write down, for instance when John is inspired by Gods Holy Spirit to write down what Jesus himself says at John 20:17 after he had been resurrected a life giving Spirit who now has immortality and inherited incorruption that he has a Father and God, that's what I believe.

amigo de christo · Sep 18, 2020

theefaith said:
I have only quoted the Bible alone as I understand it.
ok you say Mary is blessed. Why is She blessed!

cause she carried and gave birth to Christ . that is the greatest blessing for any woman ever known . And she knew it too .
HER soul rejoiced . yes it did . PRAISE THE HOLY LORD one and all . SOUND those praises OUT unto the GLORIOUS KING .

amigo de christo · Sep 18, 2020

Remember this everyone . JESUS said this too .
When one in the crowd yelled , BLESSED are the paps which thou has sucked , JESUS say YEAH RATHER , RATHER
blessed are those who hear the word of GOD and KEEP IT . Just remember that .
JESUS never pointed to man . or mankind . ALWAYS to the FATHER and That HE ALONE was the savoir .
Now leap up and praise the glorious LORD . Time for a festival of praise unto the glorious KING .
Yes indeed . OH yes indeed , praise and rejoice in the LORD . And in the LORD let us rejoice .

Perpetual virginity of Mary!

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