Where do aborted babies go?

quietthinker · Sep 19, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
Okay, I think I understand you now.

Predestination is a Biblical doctrine. It is spoken of throughout scripture. It is exactly what it says it is. If you have a specific question, I'm happy to answer.

God speed

with respect SG.....there are many doctrines in the bible....my question asks why it is that you chose the one of predestination as your barrow? To put the matter another way.....do you feel that was that Jesus' barrow also? and to ask another question....what was his barrow?

JunChosen · Sep 19, 2020

I've only read the first and last page of this thread and I dare say that no one who posted here about this topic have really no idea/understanding what Scripture teaches about babies or saved individuals!

Scripture declares:
10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12

The above Scripture verses is God's assessment of the human race without exception, including babies! Consider Psalms 58:3 also.

On the other hand...

"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." (paraphrased). 2Corinthians 5:8

All individuals who are saved go to be with Christ after death, forevermore.

I hope this helps.

To God Be the Glory

bbyrd009 · Sep 19, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
However it doesn't say a thing about their eternal destination

however, you might consider your current definition of "eternal," which may not be in line with Scripture, but rather something someone gave you, that you just accepted on "faith." Does eternal mean forever?

Spurgeon's Girl said:
Remember Jacob and Esau? They had not even been born before "Jacob have I loved, Esau I have hated."

but again wadr you may not have the best definitions for those guys; surely you would never consider yourself to be Esau, right now, right

Spurgeon's Girl said:
Can you say that in English please? Quote one, what?

my apologies, can you Quote a v of anyone going to "hell?"

kcnalp said:
If your God is so wicked that He burns babies in Hell then He will lie to you also. You can't trust Him.

sounds like Moloch to me, yeh

bbyrd009 · Sep 19, 2020

JunChosen said:
I've only read the first and last page of this thread and I dare say that no one who posted here about this topic have really no idea/understanding what Scripture teaches about babies or saved individuals

gee, we never heard that one before, huh?

JunChosen said:
The above Scripture verses is God's assessment of the human race without exception, including babies! Consider Psalms 58:3 also.

um, wadr seems like you left out at least the age of accountability one?

JunChosen said:
"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." (paraphrased). 2Corinthians 5:8

you mean misquoted i think, Paul never said that?

JunChosen said:
All individuals who are saved go to be with Christ after death, forevermore.

ha now youre just making stuff up i guess, sorry; wishful thinking is a lousy interpreter imo

bbyrd009 · Sep 19, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
If you have a specific question, I'm happy to answer.

So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--

bbyrd009 · Sep 19, 2020

Giuliano said:
On one hand, Catholic theologians want to insist on infants being baptized -- you can't go to Heaven if you don't have original sin removed by bap

ha well if you goto Rome i guess you gotta expect Cult of Sol Mithraists eh

the didache, srsly G?

bbyrd009 · Sep 19, 2020

quietthinker said:
with respect SG.....there are many doctrines in the bible....my question asks why it is that you chose the one of predestination as your barrow? To put the matter another way.....do you feel that was that Jesus' barrow also? and to ask another question....what was his barrow?

"spoken of throughout Scripture" narf
so maybe at least a good illustration of "facts" being the father of lies

Taken · Sep 19, 2020

Giuliano said:
What do you think happens to babies if they are aborted?

Can you believe God would send innocent babies to hell? That doesn't seem right to me.

If they go to Heaven, think about it. If they were born, they could become terrible sinners and wind up in hell. If someone killed them first, they'd go to Heaven. So can that be right? Could you be doing a baby a favor by aborting it and sending it to Heaven? That doesn't seem right to me either.

Certainly a controversial Topic!

Taken

bbyrd009 · Sep 19, 2020

a literal tempest in a teapot, yeh!

Giuliano said:
What do you think happens to babies if they are aborted?

they die?

Giuliano said:
Can you believe God would send innocent babies to hell?

can you Quote Yah ever sending anyone to "hell," G?
Gehenna is right here on earth, right

Giuliano said:
If they go to Heaven

No one has ever gone yet though, right? The kingdom of heaven is within you isnt it? Does it move around, according to our desires, do you think?
We all seek the kingdom that comes by observation huh
We do not yet know what we will become just doesnt apply for Christians i guess

Truther · Sep 19, 2020

Marymog said:
Respectfully... why is it that I (The Church) don't get it and the Protestants that disagree with you on this matter don't get it but YOU do get it??? How does that make sense? Is it because YOU are always right?

All you Protestants agree that The Church is wrong on many things but you can't agree on everything that The Church is wrong on. Sooooo I agree with the Protestants that agree with The Church. You agree with the Protestants that disagree with The Church.

Keeping it real...Mary

The thing you don't get is the innocent infant has no need of a divine heart surgery.

Baptism=circumcision was NEVER intended for infants.

It was intended for the newborn babes in Christ that repent and are BAPTIZED....(Acts 2:38).

The O.T. scriptures were not prophesied to infants, nor can we even quote them to them.

OzSpen · Sep 19, 2020

Giuliano said:
What do you think happens to babies if they are aborted?

Can you believe God would send innocent babies to hell? That doesn't seem right to me.

If they go to Heaven, think about it. If they were born, they could become terrible sinners and wind up in hell. If someone killed them first, they'd go to Heaven. So can that be right? Could you be doing a baby a favor by aborting it and sending it to Heaven? That doesn't seem right to me either.

Giuliano,

I understand 2 parts to your question:

Are unborn babies human beings?
Where do babies go at death?

Biology and genetics tell us the child's life begins at conception/implantation.

Dr Jerome LeJeune, professor of genetics at the University of Descartes in Paris:

When does life begin? . . . Life has a very long history, but each individual has a very neat beginning, the moment of its conception . . . To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. The human nature of the human being, conception to old age, is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.

Dr Watson A. Bowes, Jr, of the University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter — the beginning is conception.”

Dr Alfred Bongiovanni of the University of Pennsylvania Medical School, after noting that standard medical texts have long taught that human life begins at conception, added:

I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty . . . is not a human being.

Dr Micheline Matthews-Roth, research associate of Harvard University Medical School: “It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception”. See my article: Abortion and Life: A Christian Perspective

Where do children go at death?

In the Old Testament, there is a ray of light in an incident that is surrounded by sin, distress and disappointment. King David had committed adultery with Bathsheba and had arranged for the murder of Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah, on the battle field (2 Samuel, chapters 11 & 12). The scene was atrocious–everything that one could expect from a modern movie. A son was conceived through illicit sexual intercourse.

When confronted by the prophet Nathan, David confessed, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan replied, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the Lord show utter contempt, the son born to you will die" (2 Samuel 12:13-14).

The son became desperately ill. David was distraught and wept bitterly. He fasted and pleaded with God to restore the child to health. But the child died.

It is at this point that the Old Testament gives us a glimpse of what happens to children after death. It is only a snap-shot of the eternal future, but it is enough to give immense hope to Christian believers whose children have died.

David said, “Now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me" (2 Samuel 12:23).

“The last comment does not mean merely that David would eventually die himself. The point of the story is that David comforted himself (and Bathsheba) after the child’s death, and there would be no comfort unless David believed that, although he could not bring the child back, nevertheless, one day they would see the child again in heaven" [Boice (1986:718)].

David expected to see his son again–“not just a nameless, faceless soul without an identity, but that very child” [MacArthur (1996:138)]. This is an assurance that believers will know people in heaven.

Taken from my article, Children and heaven.

Oz

OzSpen · Sep 19, 2020

Josho said:
Unborn babies are innocent though, because they have done nothing wrong.

Josho,

Do you have a different interpretation of these verses that demonstrate all people (including infants) are not sinners?

Sin entered the world because one man sinned. And death came because of sin. Everyone sinned, so death came to all people.... So one man’s sin brought guilt to all people. In the same way, one right act made people right with God. That one right act gave life to all people. Many people were made sinners because one man did not obey. But one man did obey. That is why many people will be made right with God' (Rom 5:12, 18-19 NIRV).

Don't you believe the Bible teaches the doctrine of original sin? That is, all people are born sinners, including infants.

Oz

OzSpen · Sep 19, 2020

marksman said:
You need to rephrase your question because the bodies of aborted babies go into an incinerator to be burnt or they are sold off by planned parenthood for medical research.

marksman,

Aren't you assuming that 'aborted babies' means only the physical parts of the aborted child? When does the soul come into existence in the human being/fetus? See: 'When does a fetus receive a soul?' (Probe Ministries)

Oz

Spurgeon's Girl · Sep 19, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
"spoken of throughout Scripture" narf
so maybe at least a good illustration of "facts" being the father of lies

Forgive me please, I don't have the first clue what 'barrow' is, let alone what it means. And I'm not familiar with 'narf', etc. It could be that I don't understand the culture of these forums, but I'll learn.

Spurgeon's Girl · Sep 19, 2020

OzSpen said:
Giuliano,

I understand 2 parts to your question:

Are unborn babies human beings?

Where do babies go at death?

Biology and genetics tell us the child's life begins at conception/implantation.

Dr Jerome LeJeune, professor of genetics at the University of Descartes in Paris:

When does life begin? . . . Life has a very long history, but each individual has a very neat beginning, the moment of its conception . . . To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. The human nature of the human being, conception to old age, is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.

Dr Watson A. Bowes, Jr, of the University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter — the beginning is conception.”

Dr Alfred Bongiovanni of the University of Pennsylvania Medical School, after noting that standard medical texts have long taught that human life begins at conception, added:

I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty . . . is not a human being.

Dr Micheline Matthews-Roth, research associate of Harvard University Medical School: “It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception”. See my article: Abortion and Life: A Christian Perspective

Where do children go at death?

In the Old Testament, there is a ray of light in an incident that is surrounded by sin, distress and disappointment. King David had committed adultery with Bathsheba and had arranged for the murder of Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah, on the battle field (2 Samuel, chapters 11 & 12). The scene was atrocious–everything that one could expect from a modern movie. A son was conceived through illicit sexual intercourse.

When confronted by the prophet Nathan, David confessed, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan replied, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the Lord show utter contempt, the son born to you will die" (2 Samuel 12:13-14).

The son became desperately ill. David was distraught and wept bitterly. He fasted and pleaded with God to restore the child to health. But the child died.

It is at this point that the Old Testament gives us a glimpse of what happens to children after death. It is only a snap-shot of the eternal future, but it is enough to give immense hope to Christian believers whose children have died.

David said, “Now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me" (2 Samuel 12:23).

“The last comment does not mean merely that David would eventually die himself. The point of the story is that David comforted himself (and Bathsheba) after the child’s death, and there would be no comfort unless David believed that, although he could not bring the child back, nevertheless, one day they would see the child again in heaven" [Boice (1986:718)].

David expected to see his son again–“not just a nameless, faceless soul without an identity, but that very child” [MacArthur (1996:138)]. This is an assurance that believers will know people in heaven.

Taken from my article, Children and heaven.

Oz

Great post. Yes, life begins at conception.

marksman · Sep 19, 2020

OzSpen said:
marksman,

Aren't you assuming that 'aborted babies' means only the physical parts of the aborted child? When does the soul come into existence in the human being/fetus? See: 'When does a fetus receive a soul?' (Probe Ministries)

Oz

Yes.

bbyrd009 · Sep 19, 2020

Spurgeon's Girl said:
Forgive me please, I don't have the first clue what 'barrow' is, let alone what it means. And I'm not familiar with 'narf', etc. It could be that I don't understand the culture of these forums, but I'll learn.

um, my guess is that by "barrow" he means "load to bear" or something similar,
and i guess nobody else knows what narf means anyway lol
its a Pinky thing

Spurgeon's Girl · Sep 19, 2020

TLHKAJ said:
Would you say that being aborted (regardless of method) is equal and the same as being born/birthed?

I would say this: Abortion is murder. Hence, it isn't the same as being born/birthed.

Spurgeon's Girl · Sep 19, 2020

bbyrd009 said:
um, my guess is that by "barrow" he means "load to bear" or something similar,
and i guess nobody else knows what narf means anyway lol
its a Pinky thing

Thank you for your answers. It helps. I don't want to disrespect someone out of ignorance or the customs.

Spurgeon's Girl · Sep 19, 2020

Marymog said:
Hi,

Your name is “Spurgeon Girl”. Does that mean you follow the teachings of Charles Spurgeon?

What I gave was my two cents since The Church does not have a defined doctrine on wether or not unborn babies go to heaven.

Since you know that “the catechism of the Catholic Church is well known for establishing belief systems that are not based on scripture“ to whom should I go so that I will be assured I am reading about a belief system based on Scripture?

Since we are all wicked from the womb then that means we are born with original sin (Romans 5:12). It seems to me that what you believe is what The Church believes also.

So I ask you Spurgeon Girl. According to Scripture how does one wash away sin? Have you thought this thru?

Mary

I'm pleased to provide you some answers if I can.
I admire Charles Haddon Spurgeon for his mastery of the scriptures. His teaching is sound and based upon the best hermeneutic available.

I love (completely) my Lord Jesus Christ. It is he, who I follow.

Where should you go for questions regarding your faith? There is only one trustworthy source. The Holy Bible. I understand that you have a different Bible, so we deal with that later, if you wish. I don't believe almsgiving can buy one's salvation.

Water doesn't cleanse us from all unrighteousness, the blood of Jesus Christ does that. Baptism is an act of obedience to God.

Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation? | CARM.org

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