GISMYS_7
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Mathew 28:19= Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.=== Tree but one just as you are three but one=body, soul spirit
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What is that "Name"?
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4)
1. The NAME of the Son is Jesus. = for the angel told Joseph, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS” (Matthew 1:21).
2. The Name of the Father is Jesus. = Jesus said, “I am come in my Father’s name” (John5:43). He said to the Father, “I have manifested thy name ... I have declared unto them thy name” (John17:6, 26).
3. The NAME of the Comforter is Jesus. = Jesus also said, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things” (John 14:26).
That is why they baptized in Jesus Name, thus fulfilling Matthew 28:19
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Well GISMYS_7, thanks for the reply, second, a body is not a person, and three, if all your person in the Godhead have the name Jesus, then separate and distinction of persons goes out the door.
as with titles, if titles are interchangable then you have nothing but modalism in reverse. so if your first person play "LORD" today, then tomorrow your second person play "LORD", and then two day later your third person play "LORD" that's nothing but modalism in a three ring circus.
understand me GISMYS_7, when I asked, "is the person in John 1:3 the same person in Isaiah 44:24. that right there eliminated any interchangeable titles. WHY? because it's the same one person who is diversified in nature. not a separate and distinct person, but the equal "share" in order of time.
understand what Deuteronomy 6:4 is acutally saying, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
ONE here is the "Echad", and not the "Yachid", one must pay close attention to the difference in the two. an "Echad" is a unity of one, but the unity must exist in order to have an "Echad". where as on the other hand an "Yachid" is only one and have nothing else. but in Deuteronomy 6:4 God is describe as the "Echad" as ... notice "LORD". but not "Lord". but question arise is not the "Lord" God almighty? yes, and this is where the scholars has failed at to understand the "Echad" of God as "LORD", all caps. listen and understand.
the definition is the key,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
did you notice definition #2. see most scholars just go with definition #1, and that's where they make their fatal mistake. for a "Echad" in a unity as definition states require two or more units to become one. that's the trinitarian mistake in their doctrine, two or more separate person in a unity. well if so then you have "THREE LORD'S" as God, because Deuteronomy 6:4 say ONE LORD, not ONE GOD. read Deuteronomy 6:4 real closley. see God is "ONE"/Echad" ... LORD. so if one use definition one, then you have three "LORD'S" as God, see the mistake.
now if one consider the second definition, 2. (as an ordinal) first. now one can see the revelation of God as a "ONE" of his own self which sacriptures support. the ADAM/MAN or the "ANOTHER" of God. and this is clear through the bible. God is "ANOTHER" of himself just as his IMAGE dictates in the man and the woman, ANOTHER of ONE OWNSELF...... the OFFSPRING. we see it every day, our children are offspring of us. they are the "ANOTHER" of ourselves. well Jesus the Christ is the "Offspring", or the ANOTHER of God himself, who came in flesh and bone.
and this ANOTHER of one self in Spirit is done by "SHARING", and not "division". and that division gives you more than "ONE" God but three separate God's that's the deception that the devil use in the unity of the trinity. separate but equal. ... say what? separate but equal, that three Gods, which is three LORD's. see the error now.
but in a "SHARING" it's the same one person but numerically different. meaning "ANOTHER" of the same, just as G243 Allos states, listen, "Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort" here you have two but the same one person.
so the "Echad" in Deuteronomy 6:4 is ANOTHER in time and place, and not in persons.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur
first thanks for the reply, second, is the Son Jesus, Jr.? or the Holy Ghost Uncle Jesus? no of course not, get that natural human flesh idea out of you head.
now user, answer, is the person in John 1:3 the same person in Isaiah 44:24 who, "MADE ALL THINGS". a simple yes or no will do, then we can debate. your answer please.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur
You are no different than the denominational church, which says God is 3 but yet is 1
You say, God is 2 but yet is 1
You say words like "diversified" and "sharing" but anyone will tell you that you have more than one.
Look, God is ONE. Not 2 and not 3. The one Almighty Spirit overshadowed Mary and she gave birth to a bouncing baby boy. The Almighty Spirit dwelt inside the boy. Jesus is the Almighty in the flesh. Scripture says...
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
2 Corinthians 5:19 says, "..God was IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto HIMSELF..."
Isaiah 12:2, "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation."
The difference in the tabernacle of badgers skins and the tabernacle of flesh was the tabernacle of badgers skins was inanimate, and the tabernacle of flesh was living, breathing, and supernaturally conceived...
Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
[20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
God Bless!
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GISMYS_7
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Think!!! Is your body you? Is your soul you? is your spirit you. Are all three you?? Are you one or three?? Or you three but one like God??
GISMYS_7
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Titus 2:1 You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine.
Learn who Jesus was, IS and for all eternity IS====Jesus IS==Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
God's Word tells you who Jesus IS!!
John 11:25: Jesus said to her, "
I AM the resurrection and the life.
He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live
.
John 8:58
- Then Jesus said to them, Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, ""I AM""
John 8:24 (NASB)
2
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am
He
, you will die in your sins.”
John 1:1414The Word became flesh
and made his dwelling among us.
Learn who Jesus was, IS and for all eternity IS====Jesus IS==Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
God's Word tells you who Jesus IS!!
John 11:25: Jesus said to her, "
I AM the resurrection and the life.
He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live
.
John 8:58
- Then Jesus said to them, Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, ""I AM""
John 8:24 (NASB)
2
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am
He
, you will die in your sins.”
John 1:1414The Word became flesh
and made his dwelling among us.
Here are some scripture which show errors in the trinity doctrine...
Isaiah 44:24 "...I am the LORD (all caps) that maketh ALL THINGS; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;"
(The first person of the trinity did it alone and by himself).
Isaiah 43:10-11 " ... that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD (all caps); and beside me there is no saviour."
(The first person of the trinity is the first and only God and there is no saviour at His side or in His presence).
Isaiah 44:8 "...Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
(I don't know to which person for this statement, but ever which one it is, He doesn't know another God/Deity.)
Isaiah 45:5-6 "I am the LORD (all caps), and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me; That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me, I am the LORD (all caps), and there is none else.
(The first person of the trinity does not acknowledge the second or third person whatsoever.)
Isaiah 45:21 "...have not I the LORD (all caps)? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."
(The first person of the trinity still does not acknowledge the second or third person).
Jesus is the Almighty in the flesh...
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
God Bless!
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first thanks, second, I take it you didn't understan post #1523 at all.
now I'm going to show you how ignorant you sound when you quoted
ok, if God was in Christ, then all three of your persons was in Christ who is as you say is God himself, but that two Gods.
and if you say well only a person of God was the Christ, then you have a third of God in christ.
but you over look the the statement Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
it didn't say any second person of the Godhead was with us, nor any third of God was still in heaven. YOU ASSUME that the term "Son" means a separate and distinct person. that what you been brain washed to think. so that makes YOU no different than the denominational church, also.
untill you can understand post #1523, why ask me anything?
now you say I use words like "Diversity", well it another word for "offspring" which shows the "Sharing" that I use also, and the term "ANOTHER" is in the bible too when it comes to God's .... "Diversity" in flesh and bones. for the Greek term is G243 allos, which indicate a "numerical difference" and denotes another of the same sort" which you cannot understand. when I say God is ANOTHER of ... HIMSELF, yes, that's the G243, numerical difference that you're ignorant of. don't complain to me about your ignorance. go to the bible and read, and get a dictionary, not just one but several, and look up these words and find out what they mean.
I have a motto, you see it at the end of my post, it's in the footer, "where there is knowledge, stay not ignorant"
that all I can say to you. it's up to Y O U to go after God or not. see you cannot go after GOD sometimes, or just when YOU feel like it. or go after God because someone else said this is what God said, or ment, ... NO, Go after God for yoursef. scripture, James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
James 1:6 "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed."
James 1:7 "For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord."
James 1:8 "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."
and when you ask God for his wisdom, also, if you don't have him, ask him to teach you.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur
you are close, but without the knowledge to understand fully. listen, you quoted Isaiah 44:24 correctly, but you said that it was the First person. yes, because he's the ordinal "FIRST". but what you lack is that the same person who "MADE ALL THINGS", is the same "PERSON" in John 1:3, listen, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.". now user think, in Isaiah 44:24 he said, the LORD that he was "ALONE" STOP right there. if he's alone that means no other second, or third person was present, for ALONE means having no one else present. what did that JUST DO? well that Just eliminated any second or third separate person. but now you have the Son in John 1:3. he cannot be any second person for Isaiah 44:24 eliminate that by the statement of being "alone". so how is the Son, Jesus in reference to the "FIRST" as you say. answer, "Diversity" or as G243 allos states a numerical difference of the same person. the Lord Jesus is the LAST to the FIRST, his ownself in flesh.... are the light blubs coming on now?
see Isaiah 44:24 eliminate any other person in the Godhead, so now you got to deal with JESUS who is the First as being the Son who is the "LAST". well that's not hard to do. ..... Think about it.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur
I have asked you to please pay attention to what I have said.
Show me anywhere, whereby I have said God is 3 Persons.
Let's have the post number!
You put words into my mouth.
well if you have understood post #1523 you would have knbow that the 3 person god was not directed at you. but when you said, "First" person instead of "ONLY", for first indicated a second. so are you listening to your ownself.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur
Holy, Holy, Holy, the LORD God almighty. who is the Holy ONE?
Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One."
equal?, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Isaiah 43:3 "For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee."
thy saviour? Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."
Hold it the LORD all caps is the saviour? .... Psalms 68:19 "Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah."
wait, the "Lord" is saviour? but I thought the "LORD" is saviour, WILL THE REAL SAVIOUR STAND UP. Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things."
Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"
Titus 2:12 "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;"
Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"
Titus 2:14 "Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."
who is "APPEARING?" 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:"
Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
who is "appearing?" the Saviour, the Holy one, GOD, JESUS the everlasting Father.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One."
equal?, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Isaiah 43:3 "For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee."
thy saviour? Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."
Hold it the LORD all caps is the saviour? .... Psalms 68:19 "Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah."
wait, the "Lord" is saviour? but I thought the "LORD" is saviour, WILL THE REAL SAVIOUR STAND UP. Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things."
Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"
Titus 2:12 "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;"
Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"
Titus 2:14 "Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."
who is "APPEARING?" 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:"
Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
who is "appearing?" the Saviour, the Holy one, GOD, JESUS the everlasting Father.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? If so, then Who is Jesus' Father? Or do you even believe Jesus is the Son of God?
Hint:
Ephesians 6:23 (NKJV)
23 Peace to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
When will they ever learn, now watch this, the ordinal Last is the Son of God. do you agree..... (smile).
same person only diversified. did you understand that? I guess not..... (smile).
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
You can evade all you like. You will answer on Judgement Day why you have removed "God the Father" from the Bible.
GINOLJC, to all.
so, we can take this as you have no clue who the ordinal Last is? ... (smile). see, I can put the answer right in front of your face and you still cannot recognize the truth.
and as for Judgemnt day, "don't find yourself over with the goats"
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Who is Jesus' Father? You don't have a clue.
Hint:
Mark 1:1 (NKJV)
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
(smile), no need for any hints. lets use the scriptures.
Scripture, in Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2, ok kcnalp, was that the ordinal First, the Father, and or the ordinal Last, the Son. meaning the person who made all things here in Genesis?
your answer,
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
The answer you keep avoiding is, God the Father is the Father of Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God.
Ephesians 5:20 (NKJV)
20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
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