NT "nation" Does Not Have To Mean Goy

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Davy

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Warning Brethren in Christ Jesus:

In Hebrew, the word 'goy' or 'goyim' is used to point to the idea of Gentiles, foreigners not of the people of Israel. Jews are taught by an old tradition of the Jews that it always means foreigners of the Gentiles.

So in Matthew 25:32 when Jesus is speaking of His return and that gathering of all "nations" before Him to separate His sheep from the goats, Jews still TRY... to use that word "nations" to mean only Gentiles, when it is merely the Greek word ethnos (Strong's no.1484). Greek ethnos means ethnic, and most will say that means non-Jewish peoples. Even the Strong's definition points to that idea.

However, Apostle Paul often used the same Greek word ethnos when pointing to the nation of Israel...

Acts 28:19
19 But when the Jews spake against it, I was constrained to appeal unto Caesar; not that I had ought to accuse my nation (ethnos) of.

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Acts 26:4
4 My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation (ethnos) at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;

KJV

Paul was pointing directly to the nation of Israel with Greek ethnos.

Thus there is NO reason to apply an old Jewish idea of 'goyim' (Gentiles) to the Greek word ethnos in The New Testament. The context instead is decided by the subject. And the subject Jesus is speaking of regarding the separating of His sheep from the goats is about the gathering of His Church.

John 10:14-16
14 I am the good shepherd, and know My sheep, and am known of Mine.

15 As the Father knoweth Me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down My life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
KJV
 
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However, Apostle Paul often used the same Greek word ethnos when pointing to the nation of Israel..
There's no need to take things out of context to manufacture your own theology. While *nation* can be applied to the nation of Israel *the nations" (plural) always refers to the Gentile nations (other than Israel).

It is extremely dangerous to be constantly manufacturing your own theology and coming up with BIZARRE IDEAS.
 

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There's no need to take things out of context to manufacture your own theology. While *nation* can be applied to the nation of Israel *the nations" (plural) always refers to the Gentile nations (other than Israel).

It is extremely dangerous to be constantly manufacturing your own theology and coming up with BIZARRE IDEAS.

I'm not manufacturing anything, I am merely staying with the Scriptures. And by your saying the word "nation" can be applied to Israel also, INSTEAD of what I showed it as ETHNOS in the Greek, is also nothing but a vain attempt to MASK God's Truth on this.

Maybe you should read in the Greek what Apostle Paul called his own 'nation' (ethnos) again! No, you don't even bother to mention that Scripture proof I gave, do you? that shows you are not interested in following what is actually written, but instead desire to heed your Jewish traditions of men.

Arguments about how Jesus used the word "brethren" in Matthew 25 about His sheep to mean only Gentiles is an idiotic Jewish idea. Those pushing that idea may as well break out their Babylonian Talmud which teaches about the Goyim (Gentiles) as if they were cattle.
 
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I find it odd that people nowadays can still idolise a so called people, it's like the same crap that Hitler was ranting about with the superior race crap.
One has idiots in every race and every Nation, OT Israel was no exception as we know by just reading the Bible.
Look at all the fools that rejected Jesus back in the day, not to mention even nowadays.
People nowadays claiming Anti-Christ are the people of God :rolleyes: that's blasphemy ! or insanity or they must be possessed.

The Jews fell flat on their face in rejecting Jesus. it's only the true Jews that came to Jesus and it's only people who abide in Jesus Christ that are worthy of God in fact.
If one does not abide in the Vine, such a one is an Anti-Christ in fact regardless what you claim. So when the day comes and the so called Jews become masters over all goyim :confused: what then ? are Goyim a lower race then ?
Well I know of my Jews for Jesus mate that he demands that he will be assigned to x amount of goyim to rule over them with a rod of steel, as he claims, they must obey every word he says or he can kill them. to him the Jews must rule the world totally, they have it all mapped out and that's what the creation of the State is all about. the Jewish State has noting to do with God at all, it's a mans works run by so called Zionist who created the Nazi idiots and every Communist Nation. this Mob of Satanist are not Israel at all, their history proves they are not worthy of truly laying claim to being Jews let along Israel, their leadership undermined Israel and Judah not to mention led them astray from Jesus, remember how they tried to undermine Jesus, well that's their Satanist works on show for all to see and then we see how this Mob worked too undermine every nation that took them in, they have bleed the Goyim dry, they worked too corrupt all and always bastardised the people in peddling to create trashy low life people, they control the crap drugs on the streets and they set up and bankrupted the people the nations and bastardise the Governments. that's why their history is full of them getting kicked out of every Nation that welcomed them in.
But what do we get nowadays all this dribble about the poor Jews :rolleyes: what poor ! they own most of everything, or it's the they were hard done by story that is peddled, well yes some were shafted by their own, but what do you expect with a God less Anti-Christ Mob ! sure they will sacrifice their own people if the means fit the ends, as we seen they set 6 million to die for their cause to get that Land back. so as to play the trick of fooling simple minded so called Christians to fall for it all.

The Jews are enslaved, what does one expect from a Anti-Christ ! only Jesus Christ Saves in fact, one has not Grace outside of Christ Jesus and that's a fact, so why trust them at all. all such people are the fools ! if you give such an inch they will take a mile. I have dealt with morons like that in business, the goyim try to imitate such Jews nowadays but they are amateurs at the game and get shafted big time in the game down the track, I have seen such many a time, when they have spent years working at shafting all who work for them and then they end up with nothing. I have seen them become nothing but total lie after lie 24/7 they become possessed with such dribble. so when I see them I do not even believe a word they say. you just can't when it comes to business. as my mum would say, you need to hear a lot of BS before the ears fall off.
 

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Maybe you should read in the Greek what Apostle Paul called his own 'nation' (ethnos) again!
"Nation" (singular) applied to Israel does NOT mean that "nations" (plural) does not always applies to Gentile nations. The word "nations" occurs 336 times in the King James Bible, and invariably applies to nations other than Israel. Which shows how poorly you interpret Scripture, and cause spiritual confusion.

God contrasts Israel with the nations which were driven out of Canaan, and tells them that is not for any merit on their part, but because of God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob:

Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations* the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. (Deut 9:5)

*The KJV translates Strong's H1471 in the following manner: nation (374x),heathen (143x), Gentiles (30x), people (11x.
 

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"Nation" (singular) applied to Israel does NOT mean that "nations" (plural) does not always applies to Gentile nations.

Of course folks, that statement in bold is an oxymoron (a contradicting statement.

It's like saying, "just because it looks like a duck, walks like duck, and talks like a duck, doesn't mean it's a duck".