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Hi there CB members i would like to adress the topic of lukewarm behavior among most christians today. As a seasoned christian i know the spiritual danger in this and the destructive path to hell it can lead to so i am here to say to all christians of all regions around the world scripture commands to be either hot or cold in our bahavior. Revelation 3:15, Revelation 3:16, James 3:11, James 3:12 and Matthew 7:16.

This is christ own teaching lukewarmness in christianity is wrong on all levels, this means stick to the one truth that will never fail you. Stick to the scriptures for all life matters. I know the world has these new ideas like evolution and rapture but there all lies planted by satan himself to deceive gods children. When jesus is talking about you shall know them by there fruits hes speaking of the children of antichrist and the bad lukewarm fruit that they produce. Be on alert dear children of god, god bless.
 

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Hi there CB members i would like to adress the topic of lukewarm behavior among most christians today. As a seasoned christian i know the spiritual danger in this and the destructive path to hell it can lead to so i am here to say to all christians of all regions around the world scripture commands to be either hot or cold in our bahavior. Revelation 3:15, Revelation 3:16, James 3:11, James 3:12 and Matthew 7:16.

This is christ own teaching lukewarmness in christianity is wrong on all levels, this means stick to the one truth that will never fail you. Stick to the scriptures for all life matters. I know the world has these new ideas like evolution and rapture but there all lies planted by satan himself to deceive gods children. When jesus is talking about you shall know them by there fruits hes speaking of the children of antichrist and the bad lukewarm fruit that they produce. Be on alert dear children of god, god bless.
This is a great warning. Thanks for sharing gumby.
Christ warned us about hell. He warned us...that is why it is an absolute logical absurdity to make Jesus Christ a part of your life or to thing that you have a very good life and your just missing Jesus. Why?! Because if heaven is heaven, hell is hell and Christ really did what He said He did, then logic demands that He is either nothing in your life or absolutely everything. There just can't be any other way...

Just look at what Paul said here...
1 Corinthians 9:24 - Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.

We must submit to the Lordship of Christ. We have to stop viewing Him as just a savior and start viewing Him in fullness. That He is both savior and Lord and is above all things. We must submit, be obediant and serve Him with all our hearts...not just half halfheartedly like most...
 

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Thank you james. What im trying to get across to people is why beleive in evolution? was darwin himself more than a man? was darwin himself god? was darwin himself a teacher? nope the answer is none of the above darwin was just a man like evry other man. He created a fairtale and people hoped on the banwagon just like evry other false tradition some dreamer or supposed leader of the community comes up with a dream that god told him to eat sour pickles and next thing you know the whole church is eating sour pickles. Thats like if i claim that i evolve from a ant then publish a book on it. I know thats a lie just like the pastors pickle dream. Observe what the scriptures say about the supposed leaders and preachers of thr time. Matthew 23:1, Matthew 23: 2, Matthew 23:3 Matthew 23:4 Matthew 23:5, Matthew 23:6, Matthew 23:7, Matthew 23:8, Matthew 23:9, Matthew 23:10, Matthew 23:11 and Matthew 23:12.

This reminds me of our modern day preachers and teachers. They just love the spotlight but never want to let scripture speak and let god lead, there to concerned about hiding easter eggs and teaching fly away myths. The answer is beware of such people they are lukewarm and they will lead people down a path to hell. God bless you :)
 

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This reminds me of our modern day preachers and teachers. They just love the spotlight but never want to let scripture speak and let god lead, there to concerned about hiding easter eggs and teaching fly away myths. The answer is beware of such people they are lukewarm and they will lead people down a path to hell. God bless you :)
gumby,
These modern day preachers for the most part are false prophets. We know because of the fruit they bear. But what exactly is fruit? Some think that just because a person has a big ministry or is a well known evangelist, that they are bearing fruit. However, that isn't what I think Jesus was talking about. I think He was referring to the beatitudes (poor in spirit, gentle, merciful, pure in heart...) as the fruit that a true Christian will bear. This fruit will be shown through a persons character...not so much outward principles such as there ability to preach or the size of their ministries.

When you have a preacher such as Joel Osteen, and you ask him, "Is Jesus Christ the only way a person can be saved?" and they respond by saying that it's not up to them to judge...something is very very wrong. If you can't make the bold claim that Jesus is the only way...I seriously doubt you are truly in Christ. They will even say that there ministry is a ministry of love so it's not up to them to judge a person or say that because someone is Muslim they will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. So what they are saying is that the ministry of Christ was unloving because he rebuked and corrected those who didn't accept Him for who He said He was....they are denying Christ!

I have come to realize that there will come a time which is now, where people will not want the truth. So there response will be to listen to people who will tickle their ears and tell them what they want to hear. We can see this happening all over today. Before I used to think that people were victims of false teachers...while some of them are, I realized that false teachers are Gods judgment upon them.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

These people are not victims. This is Gods judgment upon them. They want what he wants(false teachers) and so they accumulate them to themselves because it is exactly what they want. They cannot sit and listen to truth because it bores them to death...so they go out and find guys like Osteen and listen to their preaching because they are preaching exactly what they want...and it's not God.

This may be a bit of an extreme statement to make and I realize that...but if someone is living a lukewarm life...there is a good chance they are not even saved to begin with. I can say this because I know that when God saves a person He recreates that person. He changes that person and disciplines that person and He is the source of the fruit that they bear. So to have a Christian who is lackadaisical...then I doubt God is working in that person. Now a Christian can go through a period of being lukewarm...but they can't live like that all the days of their life.
 

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Hi there CB members i would like to adress the topic of lukewarm behavior among most christians today. As a seasoned christian i know the spiritual danger in this and the destructive path to hell it can lead to so i am here to say to all christians of all regions around the world scripture commands to be either hot or cold in our bahavior. Revelation 3:15, Revelation 3:16, James 3:11, James 3:12 and Matthew 7:16.

This is christ own teaching lukewarmness in christianity is wrong on all levels, this means stick to the one truth that will never fail you. Stick to the scriptures for all life matters. I know the world has these new ideas like evolution and rapture but there all lies planted by satan himself to deceive gods children. When jesus is talking about you shall know them by there fruits hes speaking of the children of antichrist and the bad lukewarm fruit that they produce. Be on alert dear children of god, god bless.
Thank you Gumby for that admonition and exhortation to vigilance. As fellow believers, we must contually pray for and seek God for one another, and that has always pleased Him.
I might add that I have found very little of that lukewarmness here on this site. There are those who would turn this warfare against the saints into a welfare system of feel-goodism, such as the world is demanding of us, but we must "stick to the scriptures for all life matters" is very good counsel indeed.
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James:
so they go out and find guys like Osteen and listen to their preaching because they are preaching exactly what they want...and it's not God.
woah.......... Brother James.... Normally I am in the boat your in, but I have to jump out on this one. What have you against Brother Joel Osteen??

I don't listen to him much, but I have not caught him preaching Error. I have heard him being criticized for not preaching what some would call the (Full Gospel) as he is focused on what God called him to preach. I would also note that God has blessed him and given him one of the largest Churches in America, and has continued the awesome ministry his father started. Joel spent a lot of time in prayer even wondering if he could fill his fathers shoes, He has overcome lots of obstacles and was willing to believe God that all things were possible.

How much have you listened to him, How many scriptures has he gotten wrong, or are you judging God's man by something some other ignorant fool has said?

So how much have you listened to Brother Osteen?????
What do you have against lifting up the body of Christ????

By the way, Joel never said there are other ways beside Jesus, His father never taught that, and Joel never taught that. Joel refuses to make a judgment about anyone. Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Gee, that should be a scripture.


I would be careful on who we put our mouth on. We may not like them, but we are not their Lord, and they don't have to answer to us.

Brother Mike.
 

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woah.......... Brother James.... Normally I am in the boat your in, but I have to jump out on this one. What have you against Brother Joel Osteen??

I don't listen to him much, but I have not caught him preaching Error. I have heard him being criticized for not preaching what some would call the (Full Gospel) as he is focused on what God called him to preach. I would also note that God has blessed him and given him one of the largest Churches in America, and has continued the awesome ministry his father started. Joel spent a lot of time in prayer even wondering if he could fill his fathers shoes, He has overcome lots of obstacles and was willing to believe God that all things were possible.

How much have you listened to him, How many scriptures has he gotten wrong, or are you judging God's man by something some other ignorant fool has said?

So how much have you listened to Brother Osteen?????
What do you have against lifting up the body of Christ????

By the way, Joel never said there are other ways beside Jesus, His father never taught that, and Joel never taught that. Joel refuses to make a judgment about anyone. Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Gee, that should be a scripture.


I would be careful on who we put our mouth on. We may not like them, but we are not their Lord, and they don't have to answer to us.

Brother Mike.
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Ro 5:20-21

Only those who have plumbed the depths of the grace they've received, and come back up astounded at their unworthiness, can offer consolation to those who are outside the hope and expectation of Christ. There is no merit in to be found in anything done outside of faith and grace. Unity is kept in the bond of peace, being a disturber of the peace in the world brings down the authorities, praise God that we live in a celestial realm, where grace and truth rule and reign.
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woah.......... Brother James.... Normally I am in the boat your in, but I have to jump out on this one. What have you against Brother Joel Osteen??

I don't listen to him much, but I have not caught him preaching Error. I have heard him being criticized for not preaching what some would call the (Full Gospel) as he is focused on what God called him to preach. I would also note that God has blessed him and given him one of the largest Churches in America, and has continued the awesome ministry his father started. Joel spent a lot of time in prayer even wondering if he could fill his fathers shoes, He has overcome lots of obstacles and was willing to believe God that all things were possible.

How much have you listened to him, How many scriptures has he gotten wrong, or are you judging God's man by something some other ignorant fool has said?

So how much have you listened to Brother Osteen?????
What do you have against lifting up the body of Christ????

By the way, Joel never said there are other ways beside Jesus, His father never taught that, and Joel never taught that. Joel refuses to make a judgment about anyone. Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Gee, that should be a scripture.


I would be careful on who we put our mouth on. We may not like them, but we are not their Lord, and they don't have to answer to us.

Brother Mike.
First off, I don't have hatred toward Osteen, but there are many signs that show that He is a false prophet and a wolf in sheep's clothing. I have listened to his preaching before and it's deceiving. I read some of his book and he preaches a prosperity gospel. He teaches that if you come to Christ, He will fix all your health, financial and marital problems. To sum it up he is basically teaching a gospel where Jesus is the cherry on top of your ice cream...the bible doesn't teach that. The bible makes it clear that outside of Jesus you have no life and you are lost and damned and barren and wasted and so on. I seen an interview with Osteen and Larry King where when he was asked the question as to whether Jesus Christ was the only way...he said it wasn't for him to say and that he cant judge people. King asked him again saying if Osteen believes that a Muslim can go to heaven then and again Joel said it's not for him to decide...

He denied that Christ was the only way...umm hello! What did Jesus say???

Oh and I don't want this to sound like I am angry towards you when I say this because I am not...but I am so sick and tired of people using Matthew 7:1 as a reason why you can't judge someone. I want to make two things clear...That verse doesn't mean you can't judge others, it means that you shouldn't be a hypocrite and judge someone for something when you do the very same things. For ex...if I did drugs, I shouldn't judge someone else who does the same thing. It would make me a hypocrite. Also, I thank God that the Holy Spirit knew that people would use that verse how it is often used today and in the same chapter that says judge not lest ye be judge also says...you will know them by their fruits. This is why when people say judge not...I say twist not scripture lest ye be like the devil....

The prosperity gospel that Osteen preaches is wrong and is not scriptural at all. People come forward because they want a Jesus who will save them and give them everything there carnal heart wants...money, health, cars, jobs, so on...
Jesus and the apostles told people repent and believe and we are to receive Jesus as both Lord and Savior...not just some means to an end like Osteen makes Christ out to be. You have to understand that most people want to go to heaven but they don't want God to be there when they get there. I can prove it. Just start asking people who are non christian this question...Ask them, "If heaven was a place where you lived with all those you love and had an unlimited amount of money to spend and had access to anything you can dream of for eternity but God wasn't there, would you be okay with that? It's the same way with most of the people who sit under Osteen's preaching. They want what Osteen preaches...a Jesus that will give them everything they want. The problem is that they don't want God..they want worldly things because before a person is converted they have a hardened heart towards God. So they want this Jesus who will give them eternal life and who will give money and health and well being and security and everything else....

Another problem with Osteen and not just him but many others is that he teaches just the basic, simple, watered down message. You can't grow off that. We can't survive off of milk...we need the meat of the word. That is why I placed myself around people who are focused on one thing...to know the truth. Not just what is found on the surface but to take a text and work and strive to find out what this really means...if you think Osteen is a good preacher then fine by me. But the man denied Christ and doesn't teach or write about biblical salvation. Oh and the size of someones ministry is not what proves a person to be used of God. It's all about character and Christ likeness. The reason why his ministry is so big is because he teaches what every lost and carnal minded American wants...a better life now.

I like you Brother Mike, but I cannot and will not agree with you on this one. You know a person by the fruit that they bear...and I don't see Osteen bearing too much Godly fruit.
 

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Brother James........... I fully understand what you mean about Watered Down. That prosperity Gospel. I understand. God is good, good is good, God gonna make you wealthy!!!! Woot!!!!

They want what Osteen preaches...a Jesus that will give them everything they want.

So, Joel may be a little to basic for you. I fully understand that Brother. However, I know some things about Brother Joel. In fact my Pastor Knows him very well. Joel was told to preach that God is good. Nothing else. That is his mission. So, Joel takes all the good stuff in the Word, and encourages people. That is all he is suppose to do. The people that watch Joel have messed up lives, and they need to hear about a God that will help them and prosper them. They already believe they are no good.

James. I am part of that prosperity bunch, that name it and claim it stuff. I am part of the Healing stuff. My own son should have been dead of cancer. I got the Doctor report, but my son had the grace of God, because God just happened to get his dad (ME) a whole bunch of Material from Kenneth Copeland, while in Prison.

Our church James gives away over 60,000 dollars worth of CD's a Week out all over the World. Only God can bring that kind of money in, and my Pastor could have kept it for himself.

1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;


Now what is the Problem James???

I have layed hands on the sick, and seen them recover instantly. I have seen God heal things that over time, that baffle the Doctors. (Keep the report, I don't like fake stuff, and there is lots of it.) I have seen someone get 87,000 dollars to pay for their house. God, told me to watch what he is going to do, and dropped the price in one day on our house 60,000. God is just awesome!!!!

What is all this for Brother James???

Deu 8:18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.


It's all about God, the gospel. Things are just tools to be used, that is it. We can't take any of it with us. All this healing, and stuff is so temporary, and none of it will last. We have to have the funds, and the health to get the job done. God is not healing anyone so they don't hurt while watching TV all day.

There has been lots of error in the prosperity message. If you want God's best, you have to give God your best. Just last week, The Lord asked me to give our Last 1,000 dollars to someone that just moved to our town to attend a Church. We did not know that they had no money to pay rent, or even buy food.

James, to see the joy on that persons face, and the worry just leave them. That is worth more than anything God could give me in the physical things department. It was a big seed, but God knows that if money is no concern of yours, he can use you again and again. Somehow our bills still got paid, and we are ahead again. God is my supply not money, not jobs, God.

James, just this Week, God told my wife to sow our new 800.00 bed to someone. I mean we just bought it for the spare room, and I got a call from a Girl we sowed our 1,200.00 Wood kitchen table to. They said they had many bible studies on it, tears and it has just been a awesome blessing as they never owned anything that nice when we sowed it to them. This was a few years ago.

Oh well, you reap what you sow, so down the line we are getting a awesome table and bed, our current kitchen table only has two working chairs left.

My point James, there is more to this prosperity Gospel than what people know. It is give and it shall be given, if your really going to see God's best, you have to be able to let go of your best. All honesty James, people are not at that point yet, and some get into error thinking it's all about getting more stuff.

I am blessed, and God keeps hooking me up. If God asked me to Sow it, I sow it.
There are millions of people James that do not know God, and are not blessed. All Brother Joel is doing is giving them a basic God is Good message. God wants to bless you, God wants to restore your family. As they grow in the things of God, they will take that basic simple message, and get deeper in the things of God. They will learn the Kingdom of God is first. Not all, but people need hope, and that is what Joel preaches. Hope.

As for you and me James, Lets continue to grow, and catch these people and teach them as they are ready to move past that simple God is good message. We all have a place, and position in the Body of Christ.

Be Blessed Brother James......

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Brother James........... I fully understand what you mean about Watered Down. That prosperity Gospel. I understand. God is good, good is good, God gonna make you wealthy!!!! Woot!!!!
As for you and me James, Lets continue to grow, and catch these people and teach them as they are ready to move past that simple God is good message. We all have a place, and position in the Body of Christ.

Be Blessed Brother James......

Jesus Is Lord
Thank you Brother Mike for sharing your heart. God has indeed wiped out the offenses of men against Him, and is now conciliated with all men and at peace with them, His Son doing this through the blood of the Cross. The sacrifice was perfect, complete and all-encompassing. So much so that the action at Calvary has the Father's divine approval to reconcile an entire universe with that same power that raised Him from out from among the dead ones. To preach a message that points to the Happy God is in line with the period of grace we are in, and though it may not be "theologically correct" to ignore the Cross of Christ in a message and the power of salvation contained therein, those whose lives are in a mess may appreciate what the goodness of a Great God can do, and seek the fuller belief of faith in the Son of God. God knows those who are His.
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Hi there CB members i would like to adress the topic of lukewarm behavior among most christians today.

Sorry, Mr. gumby, I stopped reading after that.

Now, if it had said, " Hi, I would like to talk about the joy and happiness and fellowship among most Christians today."

You woulda had me.

Smell the trash can - smell the rose ---I pick the rose. That's part of the renewal of my mind.
Focusing on the the things above and not on the earth.

Lalalalala

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Brother Mike,
I am not saying that God won't give you material things...that is all up to Him. However, using a carnal method such as financial success is not the way to evangelize...you use scripture because faith doesn't come by giving false promises but by them hearing the word of God. For some reason, people seem to think that they need to use some little method or get a person to jump through some hoops in order to get them to accept Christ. What they should be doing is preaching from the gospel. There is so much power in the Gospel! It's the modern day Christ less preaching which is the reason why so many evangelists have to resort to man made methods of trying to get a bunch of goats to act like sheep. Take a look at this text and ask yourself, isn't this very thing occurring today?

2 Timothy 4:1-5 - I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desire,
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.


Joel Osteen is a very kind and loving man, I am sure, but I cannot see where he is a man of God. It would be one thing if he just had one thing against him. But there are many different things about him that show bad fruit...
For example, Joel said over and over again during an interview that it is not for Him to judge and he cannot say whether or not someone is going to heaven or hell and that is up to God to decide. So basically, if a person is steeped in sin and is a known drug attick, fornicator and everything else...Joel is saying it's not for him to decide. Well scripture clearly says that if you live after the flesh you will die.

Joel claims that his ministry is a ministry of love...so what he is saying is that the ministry of Christ was unloving. Why? Jesus along with many other people from the bible, were known to reprove, rebuke people. Did you know that people were actually removed from the church for things such as refusing to repent of their sins? Osteen would never do that because he is a man of 'love'. Jesus rebuked people...he did it to some of the most religious people during that time.

Do you want to know why Joel has such a big ministry? It's because the people there are not converted to start off with. They want what Joel wants...a Jesus that will fix all your problems and give you your best life now. The people don't want God, they can't stand Him. They don't like listening to the real gospel, they can't endure it. So they all flock to Joel and His evangelism which teaches about a Jesus that will make your perfect life better...
Remember, few there will be that find eternal life. It's not going to be the people who are lukewarm that sit under watered down preaching just learning the milk of the word...Christ warned us and we must be diligent and seek out the truths of life found in the word of God.

Why can't Joel preach the truth? Why can't he preach the gospel? Why doesn't he tell people the truth that Christ is everything. He is not just part of your life...he is your life. He is either everything to a person or He is nothing because if heaven is heaven and hell is hell and Christ really did what He said He did, logic demands that He is either everything in your life or He is nothing. It can't be any other way.

Brother Mike, the deception out there is great. I fell victim to more deception then I care to share...it got to the point where I didn't even know I was saved. Before my conversion, I was convinced that I would be forgiven of my sins and that God was love...and it wasn't really my fault. It was the fault of the evangelism of today. They preach so many wonderful truths but they will not preach the gospel. We must be very careful in who we listen to...The devil is a great deceiver and the main reason why many Christians will not enter into the kingdom will be due to Him.

You know that verse that says the deception will be so great that if possible, even the elect would be deceived...I don't know about you, but that scares me. That tells me that this is no time to sit around and play little games. If we are going to place are selves under preaching...the man better be preaching sound doctrine where we can keep growing...out of the milk phase...and into the meat of the word. If we don't, we will be deceived. So many Christians are spiritual babes because they are stuck in the milk of the gospel message. The only thing they know is the simple salvation message but other than that they are ignorant and blind and will be deceived when the time comes...we need to wake up.

I am not going to keep debating this issue...I gave you my reasons and the bible backs me up on it. I just don't want people to be deceived. The deception out there is running ramped and we need to wake up and stop playing little games. We have to run this race as if we are in it to win it. The scariest thing is when a person stops growing...and that is exactly what happens to many church goers. The most important thing you can do is place yourself around people who are much wiser than you and are physicians of the soul. People who can run circles around you when it comes to knowing scripture. Why? Because they will be able to guide and teach you things that are for your eternal benefit...but placing yourself around people who never grow and argue over meaningless things is very dangerous....oh how we need God.
 

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Hello beloved of Christ!

I just got to CB and wow, I am already impressed with the level of communication and the spirit with which it is being delivered and received.

Ok, back to the subject!

Christ certainly wants us each to be hot and on fire, filled with the Holy Spirit of God, our Comforter and in His Word.
Christ also wants us all, believers in Him, to be conformed to One Mind, One Body, One Spirit: in His likeness.


While we strive for personal mastery of the Holy Word of God and a deep relationship with our Creator, we can't forget that not all of His Body is called to the same specific mission (ie. the toes, nose and eyes all fulfill unique yet vital roles in a body, while they have little, if nothing to do with one another). Specific scripture comes to mind, when the disciples forbade others from casting out devils because they didn't follow with Christ and the apostles. Many Christians may have read over Christ's response (Luke 9:50). The only identifier we have to those others was that they cast out devils in Christ's name, not some other name.

We were all, at times in darkness and called unto the Light, the Way in Christ. Be we babes or mature in the faith, in seeming disagreement over doctrine or of opposing denominations, it never diminishes the call to be One Body, but rather facilitates our humility, admonition, charity, love and eternal Life in Christ.

Being born and raised a Roman Catholic, turned atheist and eventually called to Christ,
I have learned to stray away from name calling in public settings: a word to the wise.
 

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I'm not going to lie...but when I have my x-large Turbo Hot coffee from Dunkin Donuts...I go from lukewarm to red hot! :lol:
 

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Hi there CB members i would like to adress the topic of lukewarm behavior among most christians today. As a seasoned christian i know the spiritual danger in this and the destructive path to hell it can lead to so i am here to say to all christians of all regions around the world scripture commands to be either hot or cold in our bahavior. Revelation 3:15, Revelation 3:16, James 3:11, James 3:12 and Matthew 7:16.

This is christ own teaching lukewarmness in christianity is wrong on all levels, this means stick to the one truth that will never fail you. Stick to the scriptures for all life matters. I know the world has these new ideas like evolution and rapture but there all lies planted by satan himself to deceive gods children. When jesus is talking about you shall know them by there fruits hes speaking of the children of antichrist and the bad lukewarm fruit that they produce. Be on alert dear children of god, god bless.

The term "lukewarm" should not be confused with "apathy".

I know many Christians, myself included, who work long and diligently for God, their country, their community and their families.

Such work does not necessarily translate to church work, which inevitably benefits the leaders rather than the community or the congregation and definitely NOT the family.

All pastors, however, hold to the tradition that the only good work is church work and the only giving is in the basket or plate that's passed on Sunday morning (sometimes several times down the row until its filled).

In point of fact, the NT never says we owe the church ten percent of our money, our time or our allegiance. BUT PASTORS DO.

This may be perceived by many to be lukewarm activity, but I think it may be an exercise in personal liberty in Christ.
 

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All pastors, however, hold to the tradition that the only good work is church work and the only giving is in the basket or plate that's passed on Sunday morning (sometimes several times down the row until its filled).
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ALL PASTORS??? I'm a pastor and I don't "hold" to that tradition. Which pastors have you interviewed? Maybe it would habe been better to say "some pastors."
 

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OK...time for me to step in....

This church in Laodocea that is "Lukewarm"

It was on a plateau that was next to a steep ravine and valley that had a river flowing through it full of snow melt on its way to water a bunch of farms...a bread basket of crops.

On the Plateau next to it was a small area famous for the healing properties of the mineral hot springs. (easily in view) People would come from all over to take a bath in them.

This city was famous for it's black sheep and wool from them...it made some fine black cloth that was rather expensive. They also had developed a particular eye salve that was actually effective for curing some eye diseases.

Laodocea though for all of it's industry and location had one big problem...the city water supply. It was awful. Since they couldn't get that river to flow the water up the ravine they had to use water that was already on top of the plateau...which was similar to the hot springs across the valley...full of minerals and warm from geothermal activity.

The mineral content was sooo high that the roman/greek plumbing had to be replaced from time to time because of the deposits in the pipes. This sort of water is rather hard on a digestive system and usually makes a person's stomach queezy....and as you guessed it,...it was luke warm.

The city was wealthy and rich...famous...

And this is about as far as I am gonna go with explaining the passages more clearly to you...
 

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Joshuah told Israel to stop limping on two opinions, A lukewarmness indicates a dterimemtal uncertainty which prevents the person from fully taking advantage of the Ransom Sacrifice. The Apostle Paul tells us that light has no commonality with darkness. James tells us that a fountain does not produce bitter and sweet waters. The Bible always stresses a full heart toward worship and discourages half heartedness.