The True Mark Of The Beast?

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Martin W.

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just curious what you think the Mark /seal of God is ??

Cause A.C. is the same kind of thing just for the wrong god

Exodus 13:9 (NIV)
9 This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the LORD is to be on your lips.

Ex13:16 For the LORD brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand.
And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the LORD brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand."
wonder if God uses radio active ink or bar codes or chips or whatever???

Hi Christina
Just a quick incomplete reply for now '

Of course I have no way of knowing all the mechanics of the mark but I do know it functions partly as a method of commerce (buy , sell etc) so I allow the possibility it could be bar codes or chips etc.

Have to run. Talk later

Martin
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In answer to Jerry's comments.... they would know who's who by placing a visible mark on that person. Do you think people are automatically going to know who's marked by Satan?  Wow... I'm almost sorry I posted that link in the first place. I might not have, knowing I was going to be attacked because of it. someone above mentioned something about people trusting men instead of the bible... I trust the bible and God's word plain and simple. If the bible tells me there's going to be a mark, then I believe it. I don't trust manmade doctrines or dogmas. Look... I'm not here to ruffle feathers with my brothers and sisters in Christ so please don't try to ruffle mine. If you want to debate a subject, that's all well and good. But if you're going to try tearing me down because you don't agree with me I just won't reply to that anymore. I posted the above link here in this thread because I though others who study prophecy might find it interesting. That being said, I may or may not reply in this thread again. If I offended you then please forgive me, and God bless.
 

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Hello Jerry. Using your own criteria you would also be required to admit that if a person takes the mark on his right hand it would mean that his brain is in his right hand. We both know this is incorrect.


The mark on your hand is doing the work of Satan like most Pastors do every Sunday when they teach the fly away doctrine and the “any time doctrine that’s so popular.

We also know the "Mark" is one of the most contemplated and argued issues in Christianity.

We also know that to this day NOBODY has been able to provide definitive proof of what the mark is, or what it will be.

Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Study and you can know a whole lot more, a whole lot more.

History is full of errors and incorrect speculation regarding the mark , and I don't know about you Jerry , but I do not wish to add yet another error.

Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.Study and you can know a whole lot more, a whole lot more.

At this point we simply do not know, but I expect when the mark is revealed it will be very clear and it will be a clear choice whether to receive it or reject it . No guesswork will be required. A person will pledge allegiance to the beast or he will not. To receive the mark will be done with pride and will identify the recipient as being part of a powerful team. I am sure it will be visible, to the human eye yet have an invisible internal spiritual component as well.

In the meantime I do think it is a healthy discussion to be on the constant lookout for developing technology. A lot of people do not know this but about 4 years ago Genetic scientists were able to construct a simple functioning computer manufactured from human DNA.

The Radio Frequency Identification ink in the linked news release is a natural next step in this technology. We live in interesting times.

We should always keep in mind that by itself a mark is harmless , it is when The Beast demands we take HIS mark it becomes serious.

Fascinating subject.

Best regards.

Martin w.

I guess you can think whatever you want.
 

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But if you're going to try tearing me down because you don't agree with me I just won't reply to that anymore.


6string, Brother please don't feel bad, or surprised. On the street these guys are really good people. They just have a mind set about the Bible and their Doctrine that gets them into a Rowdy bunch. It's like the boys at the bar. They do good in Church, and are great at home, but get them on a forum and cross their Doctrine, and it's like the boys having a good time at the bar.

I am of the Word of Faith Camp, So, I get my share, and I am against any form of Election Doctrine, except that we are all in the Body, and God has chosen use to be different parts.

Now, go tell the boys you believe in pre-Trib rapture, and you will hear the most strange interpretation of Eze you ever heard. The boys will head right back to the Bar, and let you know how they feel about Pre-Trib Rapture.

Now, I heard of the Fly away Doctrine (pre trib rapture) What is the anytime Doctrine???????? I am not sure how I missed that one.

Be Blessed Everyone!!!

Jesus Is Lord.
 

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6string, Brother please don't feel bad, or surprised. On the street these guys are really good people. They just have a mind set about the Bible and their Doctrine that gets them into a Rowdy bunch. It's like the boys at the bar. They do good in Church, and are great at home, but get them on a forum and cross their Doctrine, and it's like the boys having a good time at the bar.

I am of the Word of Faith Camp, So, I get my share, and I am against any form of Election Doctrine, except that we are all in the Body, and God has chosen use to be different parts.

Now, go tell the boys you believe in pre-Trib rapture, and you will hear the most strange interpretation of Eze you ever heard. The boys will head right back to the Bar, and let you know how they feel about Pre-Trib Rapture.

Now, I heard of the Fly away Doctrine (pre trib rapture) What is the anytime Doctrine???????? I am not sure how I missed that one.

Be Blessed Everyone!!!

Jesus Is Lord.

Well the problem is B. Mike, God doesnt care much what you or I think
he is no respector of men.
He says there is an Elect faction of believers the fact you are against it means squat .

You are only against it because you havent educated yourself to what God says about it ..
But instead have chosen to be againts it ....because you listen to men instead of learning for yourself ...We have discussed this before ...

So telling others not to listen to God because you are against it ..and pushing a Rapture doctrine that isnt written will come down on your head ,,,

You think shooting the messenger and promoting false doctrines of men traditions is the answer ?

All we have said is Gods word doesnt say this, and tried to show what it does say. by giving the scripture, you give no scripture but your opinions.
I have no problem with you debating my scripture with scripture. but your opinions and comparisions are not of God but by your own mouth of you.

I and some others here have no doctrine we only have the Word .. And make it important in our lives try to understand it .. Just as the Word tells us to do. And you make fun because we do what God says ? ...you know I personanally like you but ...

to compare us to people at the bar I find insulting and you think God is going to bless you somehow for putting down those who do as he commands?

Its your choice not to study thats fine, but it seems rather hypocritcal to call us out because we choose to study the word of the God you follow ... Wouldnt you better serve him by being thankful we do study and show people these things so you dont have to ? Instead of calling us out on it.
Do you think you can live on milk alone ? because God says you can not ...
 

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to compare us to people at the bar I find insulting and you think God is going to bless you somehow for putting down those who do as he commands?

Now that is the Christina I remember!!! Woot!!

Now, I never gave my opinion about what I think about the fly away thing, I just don't care for the election thing. I feel everyone needs to be doing what God called them to do, and that God does have something for everyone. As you stated, God is not a respecter of Doctrines. I do fully understand your not a hard core Calvinist.

I guess my attempt at humor, is not working so well. However my point is made. There are certain things that will set off someone. For me it use to be that God puts sickness on someone or that there are no tongues today. It does not bother me anymore, as you do, all I can do is give the scriptures. We can not force anyone to do or believe anything.

My point was that people need to chill, and not get so uptight. It will be OK. I never saw any Forum where many change their minds about things. It seems only experts join the forums, and they already believe they are experts.

I guess the biggest thing forums do is help us to reaffirm why we do not believe like certain groups do, as we are reminded constantly why we do not believe that way, no matter what belief system it comes from.

Plus it gives us something to do.............

Be blessed.

Jesus Is Lord.
 

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Now that is the Christina I remember!!! Woot!!

Now, I never gave my opinion about what I think about the fly away thing, I just don't care for the election thing. I feel everyone needs to be doing what God called them to do, and that God does have something for everyone. As you stated, God is not a respecter of Doctrines. I do fully understand your not a hard core Calvinist.

I guess my attempt at humor, is not working so well. However my point is made. There are certain things that will set off someone. For me it use to be that God puts sickness on someone or that there are no tongues today. It does not bother me anymore, as you do, all I can do is give the scriptures. We can not force anyone to do or believe anything.

My point was that people need to chill, and not get so uptight. It will be OK. I never saw any Forum where many change their minds about things. It seems only experts join the forums, and they already believe they are experts.

I guess the biggest thing forums do is help us to reaffirm why we do not believe like certain groups do, as we are reminded constantly why we do not believe that way, no matter what belief system it comes from.

Plus it gives us something to do.............

Be blessed.

Jesus Is Lord.

Well you know I do speak my mind Bro. :blink:

But you tend to group all things together into one opinion ,

Calvanism is a religion, not the Word of God
its a religion based on misinterptation of a few verse's
you throw the baby out with the bath Water .. acting like calvanism its the only game in town

There is an Election in Gods Word, that doesnt take the mark however
Calvanism is not the only veiw of this Election...
its a false veiw on that we agree ...

So to state you do not believe any Elect doctrine ..?? Even though Gods word says it. Is misleading.
 

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I do believe in election as in Body parts of Christ, and ministry gifts, Not everyone is called to Pastor for example. I think we might have to go though it again, because I remember those hard core Calvin post that seemed pretty creepy. I don't want to shut off what is correct...... "Throw the baby out with the bath water." That's good, not heard that in Awhile.

Thanx Christina!!! Be blessed.


Jesus is Lord.
 

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Exodus 13:9 (NIV)
9 This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the LORD is to be on your lips.

Ex13:16 For the LORD brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand.
And it will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead that the LORD brought us out of Egypt with his mighty hand."
wonder if God uses radio active ink or bar codes or chips or whatever???

When I read Exodus 13 I see God giving several instructions to Moses. These observances are the context of the chapter.


Some Modern day orthodox Jews have little leather boxes carrying these laws strapped to their foreheads and hands to commemorate Gods instructions to Moses.

I have not been able to equate this with a satanic mark in revelation.
 

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SSN :eek: we all have one its in our head and our hand. we can speak it or write it . you need it for almost everything.
 
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On somewhat of a side topic I always liked Hal Lindsey's comment which went something like this .....

.... most likely the mark will be on the right hand as a convenient location , but in case someone does not have a right arm , everybody has a forehead .... :)

Hal also speculates that a portion of people will be proud to follow the beast and will want the mark prominently and proudly worn on the forehead.
 

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The point everyone is missing here is it makes no difference at all if there is or isn't a mark on your physical body or what it is its already to late ........................

Answer me this are there people saved out of the tribulation ? The answer is yes

Lets assume for a minute the mark is a tattoo of sorts

Mark 13 tells us some of the Elect will be called up ..put on trial by A.C, they are not to premeditate what they will say because God will speak through them.
Their testimony will turn the hearts of many back to their Fathers...
So many that have been following A.C. thinking he was christ will see the error of their ways and turn back to God.

These now X-followers of Anti- Christ will still have a physical tattoo (mark) yet they are still of the over comers.the first resurrected the mark(tattoo) doesnt mean anything.

My point is the only mark God cares about is in your mind/heart that's is who you believe is Christ the fake or the real
God has never judged us on physical markings/traits he only judges whats in our mind/heart ....

your right hand is who's work are you going to be doing are you going to be found working in the field (world) as we are told
or are you going to be doing the work of Antichrist ?

People waste all this energy looking for some physical Mark and trying to figure out what it is ..
If there is a a physical Mark it doesnt matter ....

You will have pledged your heart to Anti Christ .....to even get the Mark ....once you have done this you have declared the wrong christ as the one you worship ... At this point what difference does it make if he tattoo you or not ..your still his

and thats the only thing God cares about ... I know this seems confusing ...but if you think about it ....

Think of the concentration camps of the Holocaust where everyone had a number tattooed on them ...the number didn't do anything in itself ..they were killed because they were Jews and what they believed (what was in their minds/hearts)...
not because they had a number on their arm ..the number was only an outward symbol.... If a Jew didnt get a number does that mean they were not Jews ?
No! its just means they didnt get a tattoo or werent in Germany.
 

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The (Invisible mark) argument has many weaknesses Christina.

Right now in the world we have the saved and unsaved without any external visible mark.

So yes , we must go by what we have internally in our hearts and minds , we are believers or we are not believers (internally).

With that standard already in place now , we must accept that there is a future mark to be applied and to be received by those who follow the beast.

If it is a future mark , I expect it will be different (than what we have now) and most likely it will be external and visible.

The internal part is already existing in us now. The mark will be something different.

I also think that the living Christians at that time will have to group together to survive and will need to be able to (visibly) determine who has the mark and who does not.

I have never been able to come up with even one good reason why the mark would be invisible. It just wouldn't make sense to me.


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A mark is the same as a seal one is marked sealed by who owns them ....
What is the seal of God ? I quoted one example he says its in your fore head or your hand they were to remember ..remember what who brought them out of Eygpt ....Rev 7 tells us of the seal God right ?
Satan can not hurt those with Gods seal/Mark ...So do you think God is going to physically mark you ?

Or are you sealed/marked by God by whats in your heart/mind ?

If you believe in God how can a physical mark change that ?

Let me ask you a question if you knew who Antichrist was and he said here take this tattoo(or whatever) so you can buy food for your family ...

Is that going to stop you from believing in God ? If not then how can a physical mark change that?

There may well be some kind of physical mark but that alone is not what condems one...
 

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HE MARK OF THE BEAST,
HOW MANY MARKS OR SIGNS

WILL THERE BE?






By Leo Holley


Revelation Ch 13: 16-18;



16; “And He causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a Mark in their Right hand, or in their foreheads”.

17; “And that no man might buy or sell, unless he that had the Mark, or the name of the Beast, or the number of His name”.

18; “Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the Beast: For it is the number of a man; and his number is three-score and six”.



So much has been written about this dreaded Mark of the Beast, but very few really understand what it is or what is really being talked about. The Bible talks of a system that would come into existence in the end time, or that is the time just before the return of Jesus Christ to this Earth. What God, thru the Prophets, has described, is a time that would be like no other. A time filled with destruction and with turmoil and people being so deceived that they would not know what is happening or why.



This will be a time when people on the Earth would be forced to acknowledge this World Ruling Government System and one will be forced to follow this Governments rules and those who would not follow and would not bow down to this system would not be able to work or buy the necessities needed for their survival. Believe me when I say that there will be individuals that will be glad to see this cashless society come into existence simply because they will not understand what is going to happen. When this system does come into being people will lose all since of reality as to which one they will really hold their allegiance to. Will it be to God or will it be to the Beast System and the false Prophet. And because this system will offer people what is needed in a crises situation, will they then accept this system? Unless one completely trusts God, this can and will happen to them and their families.



We are now on the verge of a Global Transformation. We are going to see a complete financial breakdown in our monetary system very soon. We are being lured in to this system and it is being done little by little as to not alert the people as to what is happening. All we need is a major crisis for The New World Order to fall in place and when this does happen we will have been groomed for this system and it will be put in place. This is called Propaganda. Now that the banking/financial crises are likely to be a major element of upheaval, the potential for declaration of a national state of emergency by the president is very likely. Under a state of emergency, the constitution would be suspended. The right to trial by jury, and all of our rights would be suspended. Marshal Law would be the norm. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution is God given rights and Satan wants them taken away and it will be taken away by force and this system will have complete control of the people. Then the push for everyone to be forced into a computerized banking and cashless society, using a implant in the hand or implanted in the edge of the forehead so it can be Easley scanned when one walks up to a check out booth will be in place.



These Biochips are available and are on the market now and will hold all the information that will be needed. Positive Identification of an individual, plus automatic-banking transfers will be in these Chips. I don’t know if this is what the Bible is describing but it could become a real reality and unless an individual would take one in the hand or the forehead so they can be scanned, they would not be able to buy, sell or have a way to provide for their family. It could come down to the most dramatic decision in a person’s life. Will one take the Chip or will they trust in God to bring them through this time of calamity?



The Government could make those who do not take this Mark System look like Terrorist. Believe me, this is happening now. They would make individuals who are against this system look like “The Bad Guysbecause they would be trying to disrupt the system the Government would like to establish. Believe me, this is the way they work and some Churches will be fully involved in bringing this about. When the Banking industry collapses and they close their doors, this will be a disaster for everyone. The government will at that time implement their program for a cashless society and then become the Great Savior for the people.



Although the Chip may be one source of the Mark System, it is not the only Mark, or Signs that will be established.







Was There Another Identifying

Sign Or Mark Established?





Almost all professing Christians now accept one of the most important Mark or Signs of this dreaded Beast System as their day of worship. Some believe that Sunday is the “Lord’s Day”. They believe that Jesus Christ was resurrected on Sunday morning. Others believe the Apostle Paul set us an example by observing this first day of the week and still others embrace the concept that it simply does not matter which day is acknowledged because they worship God at that time. This is because they believe the “law has been replaced by grace.”



Was the Sunday worship installed because of Jesus Christ’s Death? Was a new day of worship put in place because God believed that He had made a mistake in resting on the Sabbath day, and that He made it Holy time by resting on the Seventh day?



Most individuals believe that Jesus Christ was resurrected on Sunday morning and that this day; Sunday was instituted as the day set aside for worship. This has been falsely believed and has no validity to it whatsoever. Nowhere in scriptures is there any indication that God changed His Holy Sabbath day, the Seventh day, to Sunday, which has been taught by the mainstream Churches.




But don’t Acts 20: 7-12 prove that the disciples kept Sunday as a holy day?



According to the Bible, each day begins at sundown and ends at the next sundown. Monday begins at sundown on Sunday at dusk and ends the next day at dusk going into the night portion of what we call Monday night. Man installed a Midnight-to-Midnight setting for a 24-hour day, not God. (Genesis 1: 5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31; Leviticus 23:32 ;) The dark part of the day comes first. God’s true Holy Sabbath begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday. Acts 20 was held at the dark time part of Sunday, or what we now call Saturday night. The reason Paul had this meeting on this night portion of Sunday was he knew that he would not see these people again before his death. So he met with them, just to have a meeting. As for breaking Bread, that can be done anytime and does not signify that it was on or that it instituted a Sunday Sabbath. Many places in scripture show that people broke bread, or that is they ate meals on many occasions and days other than the true Sabbath of God, Saturday.


But isn’t John 20:19 the record of the disciples instituting Sunday keeping in honor of the resurrection? On the contrary, the disciples at this time did not believe the resurrection had taken place (Mark 16: 14). They had met there “for fear of the Jews” and had the doors bolted. When Jesus appeared in their midst, He rebuked them because they did not believe that He had been seen by others and that He had not yet risen from the dead. There is no reference that they counted Sunday as a Holy Day. Only eight texts in the New Testament mention the first day of the week; none of them infer that it is holy.



Constantine in 321A.D instituted the Sunday day of worship in the Catholic Church and made it Catholic Law. He knew that the Jews had the Seventh Day Sabbath. Constantine instituted the first day of the week as the so-called Christian Sabbath. Saturday, the 7[sup]TH[/sup] day is not just the Jewish Sabbath, God set it aside for all men to observe, it is God’s Sabbath and He made it Holy Time for All individuals.



You can look up Sunday in any Encyclopedia and it will tell you when SUNDAY was installed as a Christian day of worship. God had NOTHING to do with it what so ever and is part of the Mark of The Beast System today.





Please read Exodus ch 31; verses 12, 13, 14,15,16,17,







ONE WAY OF ESCAPE



Those who are counting on Rapture to take them away from all of this and take them to Heaven is a false consumption and should not be counted on for according to Scripture this will not happen. The truth is the return of Jesus Christ will not occur until after this Beast System has been installed and all this has been implemented. But there will be a place of Physical Protection for those who believe and trust in God. But only those who truly trust God and keep Gods true Laws and Statutes will be spared. This place will be somewhere on this Earth to where God will put His people for 31/2 years from all of these beast system activities. Those involved in all of the Pagan Traditions and Pagan System that people are so wrapped up in such as Christmas, Easter; Halloween are truly setting themselves apart from God and some of them will not be protected during this time period.



Revelation Ch 12: tells about the group of people keeping God’s Law’s and Statutes and how they will be taken to a place of protection and how Satan will come after them but can’t get to them. Where is this place? I don’t know, I have no clue, but it will be on this Earth. This I can tell you it will not be the Rapture everyone is looking for because that will not occur. Jesus Christ will not meet His Chosen in the air until after the Great Tribulation, not before. But God will reveal where His Physical Place of Protection is when the time comes. It will not be the majority that will be following God and His ways, but it will be the minority who will follow Him and who will be spared this Beast System that will ravage this Earth. Remember what Jesus Christ told people, “Many would come to Jesus in that day and say, Lord, Lord, we have done this and we have done that. But He will tell them to depart from Him that He never knew them.



There are so many who have never really truly known God. Yes, people pay him lip service and say “I Love the Lord but that is as far as it goes. Satan loves it because all of his perverted so-called holidays are being observed and not God’s Holy time and Holy Days. This New World Order system will be the tool in which God will use for a punishment factor on those who have not and are not following Him and His way.



Notice the warning in Isaiah CH.27: verses 20;21;



20; Come, My people, enter your Chambers, (this physical place of protection) and shut your door behind you: hide yourself as it were for a little moment, until the Indignation be passed”.



God tells His chosen to hide from this system, just as Moses did on the night the Death Angle passed over the Houses marked in Blood during the Passover. He will show His people when that time and place will be.



21; “For behold the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity. The Earth shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain”.



God will use this New World Order as His tool for punishing the people for not following God’s Laws and because they are following Pagan Traditions.





The system in which we now live has programmed this world system in a way that causes both parents to have to work for the family’s survival. They both have to work to provide enough money for food and all the necessities for family life. When this occurs it leaves the children at home alone to do what ever they want. This is Satan’s plan because he hates the family structure. This is happening now. If Satan can break up the family, he has accomplished a big part of his goal because the family structure is God’s structure. Do away with The Ways of God and you have destroyed all attributes toward God.



God commands us to “Watch”. Watch World Events. To watch government activities; but most of all we are to make sure that our Spiritual Barometer is working and to watch what we do spiritually. But believe me when I say that some Pastors of some Churches are putting people in a hypnotic state as to what is going to happen. God will continue to send His Wrath in many forms. We need to all be prepared for these events as they come upon us so fast. We have witnessed some of these events already, but we have not seen the worst. All of this will help in ushering in the New World Order and The Beast System. May God help us all to see clearly all of these things and be prepared for them? We may have just a short 1-2 years before this takes place. Do I set dates? No, God does, and He has given us that information if we will just listen to Him.

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The mark could be anything...we do not know what it will be, but I agree that those close to Yahweh will discern. Many who think they are close, may not..."even the elect" may be deceived. This is why I think it will be something very sly, that even many "Christians" will THINK is ok. Such as...the cross symbol. Just as a possibility. Yeshua was actually crucified on a stake, not two sticks in shape of a cross. And the cross as a symbol is rooted in satanic/other god worship, and then now worshipped by many believers who kiss it, make it's sign over themselves, etc. It in this sense is an idol. This is just a theory that the mark could be a cross symbol, which would deceive many who have forsaken the statutes of God, and mix pagan worship w/ their worship of the One True God through things like Christmas and Easter.

Then there is the "mark of Cain". I think the mark of the beast will be the same mark. Yahweh gave Cain a mark (the letter tav which in shape of cross? Could be!) to allow him to wander, to "buy and sell" without being killed...and in the GT, those with this mark will be able to freely wander and "buy and sell" without being killed, while those without this mark, will not, and will be persecuted. Something to think about anyway!

Blessings,
Liz

I agree Leo!

shalom,
Liz
 

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the mark of the beast will not be any technology because no one could or would enforce it on the poor, they wouldn't waste their money on the poor
 

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i think we will know the mark when it comes it being physical or spiritual because how will WE be able to deny taking the mark and them killing us or trying to kill us? but i also think they will first try to deceive us to get it.

also to the reference to Exodus the sign in their hands and foreheads were symbolic to their actions and thought, i have read satan will copy this with his mark of the beast being actions and thought. remember the right hand is thought of as power in the biblical times.
 

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Quote Martin - To receive the mark will be done with pride and will identify the recipient as being part of a powerful team. I am sure it will be visible, to the human eye yet have an invisible internal spiritual component as well.

Yes speculation is fine, but we need to keep looking at the actual words in the bible - no one will be able to buy sell or trade without it - there are a number of ways it could emerge, we will be given a choice whether to take it - if we dont we may be killed, or left to survive without joining that system of commerce -

it will be very hard - but if you have accepted Christ, then you know that your suffering will be well worth it! It will be a choice of conscience.

Mike


 

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I find that many Christians don't know the fact that 666 has a history.
Below is a C/P from this site, http://www.markbeast...-beast-666.html
I don't advocate everything said, but I don't leave stones unturned when looking for truth.
BTW I don't believe the mark will be a chip ect.

Very few people know the answer to these questions or why Revelation speaks about this number with such negative connotations. So here is an EXTREMELY BRIEF overview of the history and origin of the number 666, and why this number is now associated with the Roman Catholic Church and its leader. You are about to find out why worship is such a significant issue in regards to this number 666 and the mark of the beast.

Note first the significance of the Babylonians using the sexagesimal (base-60) number system from which comes 60 minutes in an hour, 60 seconds in a minute, 360 (60×6) degrees in a circle and 60 degrees in each angle of an equilateral triangle etc. 360 divided by 10 = 36 (more on this number in a moment) and 6 * 6 = 36. From this came that mysterious number 666, which is directly linked with the worship practices of ancient Babylon from around the time of Daniel. See also Daniel 3:1. Babylon worshiped gods that were associated with the sun, moon, planets and stars involved with astrology. Babylonians were the principle developers of astrology as we know it today and the pagan priests wore amulets called “Sigilla Solis” or “Sun Seal” which symbolized 36 constellations. In this system of worship, they had 36 supreme gods plus the god associated with the sun, which they believed to be the father of all the other gods and so was supreme over all. They believed that numbers had power over the gods they worshiped so they assigned numbers to their gods so that they could have power over them. They did this by counting their gods and assigning a consecutive number to each of the 36 lesser supreme gods, and then added up these numbers (from 1 to 36) and assigned the sum to the sun god. If you have not guessed by now, the sum of the numbers from 1 to 36 totals 666, which they assigned to the god associated with the sun. The calculation is below. See also Murl Vance quote

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19 + 20 + 21 + 22 + 23 + 24 + 25 + 26 + 27 + 28 + 29 + 30 + 31 + 32 + 33 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 666

However, they feared their gods as they believed they were primarily evil and thought that one of
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them might strike them down sometime, so they made amulets with a 6 x 6 matrix with 1 through 36 on them which are called numeric matrixes magic squares today. The design of the amulets was to protect them from a god striking them down using his magic power so the amulets had to be as powerful as possible. In order to increase its power, they arranged these numbers in such a way that the sum of any given row, column or diagonal was 111, and therefore the sum of all six rows or all six columns was 666. This was supposed to provide extra protection including from the sun god since this god's sum was present on the amulet. The one above has the god of the sun standing on the lion. This indicated the sun's position in the constellation of Leo during the hot days of August. The back is inscribed “Nachyel,” meaning “intelligence of the sun” and the numbers 1 to 36.
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The second illustration is also a solar seal, but it honours the star Basilisco, which was the diminutive form of the Greek basileus (king), thus meaning the same as the Latin regulus. Regulus is the only first magnitude star in the constellation of Leo. The sun and the moon are again clearly seen on this amulet and on the reverse side is the same arrangement of numerals with the actual figure 666 given as the total. See Murl Vance quote.

These amulets were usually made of gold being like the colour of the sun or baked clay tablets and were carried in yellow silk or hung around their neck, which they believed provided protection as long as they carried it with them.

This table as illustrated has the same arrangement of numbers as the above images in a 6 x 6 matrix and is also referred to in numerology as the magic square of the Sun. There are similar magic squares for Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Mercury and the Moon, all of which have been known for centuries.

The creating of amulets with this number arrangement that belongs to astrology appears to have continued well past the time of Christ. Archaeologists have found amulets with Latin inscriptions, so we know that the Romans were indulging in this practice. Therefore, the number 666 came about from pagan worship practices of the Babylonians and their practice of astrology. The symbolism of sun worship is still used in many areas of the Catholic Church today, not always obvious but often packaged discreetly as to not be noticed by the untrained eye.

When the Medes and Persians conquered Babylon in 539 B.C, they came with their own religious practices and gods, so had no need of the priests of the Babylonian religious system. Although the Persians were sympathetic towards the Babylonian god Marduk and did accommodate the priests of this god for a while, it appears from history that they eventually fired the priests and used their own. The Babylonian priests left Babylon (probably because they were out of work) and most of them went to Pergamum and some to Egypt where they taught their religious practices to the Egyptians. The Egyptians readily picked up these Babylonian religious concepts and further extended and developed some of the ideas we find in astrology.

The teaching of the Babylonian religious practices by the Babylonian priests and their direct descendants went on in the city of Pergamum for centuries afterwards. They taught astrology and the making of amulets with the numbers 1 to 36 on them in the special arrangements they commonly used. This continued until about the year 133 B.C. when the last king of the Attalid Empire, (Eumenes’ son, Attalus III) who had his capital at Pergamum, died without an heir and bequeathed his kingdom to Rome. Rome accepted the kingdom and set up the province of Asia, which included Ionia and the territory of Pergamum by 129 B.C. Sometime soon after this, the priests who were still teaching the Babylonian religious practices saw their opportunity and went to Rome. The Romans often adopted the religious practices of other cultures, which also helped the empire survive as long as it did. The Babylonian priests rightly calculated that the Romans would be very willing to learn and follow their teachings. Soon all of Rome filled with their religious teachings and practices. It eventually became so pervasive that people called Rome the “New Babylon.” Early Christians also used the term Babylon as a veiled code word for a particular city, so as to avoid persecution from that pagan power. That city was also Rome. See also 1 Peter 5:13.

When the Christian Church came along, the practices and beliefs of the Babylonian religion followed right into the Church. Historians have said that it seemed almost the entire city of Rome converted virtually overnight to Christianity, but what actually happened is that the Babylonian religion was simply brought into the Church and the three supreme gods of the Babylonian religion were simply renamed as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Lesser gods became saints of the Church. The pagan Babylonian religious practices came into the Church right along with it. This made it easy for the followers of the Babylonian religion to convert to Christianity, but it certainly was not a genuine conversion. God condemns pagan religious practices, but they brought these practices into the Church anyway.

History also fully supports this. The pagan Babylonian priests had a chief priest who held the title Pontifex Maximus (translated to Latin meant that he was head pagan priest or literally the Greatest Pontiff). Most have heard the word “Pontiff” applied to the Pope and history explains where that term comes from. Originally, the king of the Attalid Empire held the title of Pontiff, and he passed it on to the Babylonian Priests before he died and they went to Rome. This title was given to Julius Caesar in 63 B.C. thereby making him the supreme priest of the Babylonian Religion and its gods. (This shows that the Babylonian priests arrived in Rome before the time of Julius Caesar or this event could not have happened.)

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The reason the Bible speaks so negatively about 666 is that it symbolizes the power of the person who has this number to have power over all the other gods, which in the case of the Papacy is their claim to be God and to have authority over God and his law, which are false claims. Because the Popes claim both to be God and to have authority over God, they believe that they can change the law of God to suit their own purposes. This is extremely serious to God and He knows it will also lead many to be lost for all eternity.