The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

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justbyfaith

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Praise Jesus - the spark of the divine has finally broken through the clouds .. and kudo's for that.
While we will be judged by our works; it is also true that we are not saved by our works.

Huh?

Salvation is a work of the Lord within us wherein we become inclined towards doing good works that make us pleasing to the Lord.

The works that we do out of that inclination are not what saves us.

What saves us is the faith that apprehends the Holy Spirit so that we have that inclination.

And the inclination is a major part of what our salvation actually is.

Therefore, since we cannot do works that are worthy apart from that inclination, it is not worthy works that are going to produce that inclination within us.

If that were the case, then we would be doing worthy works before and apart from having the inclination to do them, given to us by the Holy Spirit.

Thing is, we will not do such works unless we are inclined to do them.

I suppose that we might do them if we think that we will be saved by them.

But we cannot be saved by them (Ephesians 2:8-9).

As a matter of fact, any works that we might do in order to save ourselves are counted as filthy menstrual rags before the Lord (Isaiah 64:6).

It is only those works that are done properly out of the salvation that is already given, that could even have any merit before the Lord.

And the fact is, that even these do not carry any merit...we are not saved by them (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Because if we are in fact doing them, we have already been saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the Cross.
 
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While we will be judged by our works; it is also true that we are not saved by our works.

Huh?

Salvation is a work of the Lord within us wherein we become inclined towards doing good works that make us pleasing to the Lord.

The works that we do out of that inclination are not what saves us.

What saves us is the faith that apprehends the Holy Spirit so that we have that inclination.

And the inclination is a major part of what our salvation actually is.

Therefore, since we cannot do works that are worthy apart from that inclination, it is not worthy works that are going to produce that inclination within us.

If that were the case, then we would be doing worthy works before and apart from having the inclination to do them, given to us by the Holy Spirit.

Thing is, we will not do such works unless we are inclined to do them.

I suppose that we might do them if we think that we will be saved by them.

But we cannot be saved by them (Ephesians 2:8-9).

As a matter of fact, any works that we might do in order to save ourselves are counted as filthy menstrual rags before the Lord (Isaiah 64:6).

It is only those works that are done properly out of the salvation that is already given, that could even have any merit before the Lord.

And the fact is, that even these do not carry any merit...we are not saved by them (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Because if we are in fact doing them, we have already been saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the Cross.

Blah blah blah -- you had it for a moment .. and then you lost it

So - Judgement or No Judgement/and or Free Pass are works accounted for .. or are they not -- All sin can be forgiven says Jesus - Sin against the Father, Sin against the Son ... cept one..

How did Sophia become so important all of a sudden --- Thats my name for the big HS ... like to keep the feminine in my trinity .. if ya know what I mean .. nudge nudge .. wink wink .. say no more :)

Wat dat one Papa ? What dat bad sin Sin gainst Sophia .. what dat

The floor is yours .. and do try to be imaginative .. use your own thoughts .. as much as ye reckon possible .. rather than that of Paul ... Joke ..

Seriously .. what dis bad sin ?
 

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Concerning Martin Luther's anti-semitic rants...

Luther is merely credited with discovering the reality of salvation by grace through faith apart from works.

However, the doctrine itself is biblical.

If it were not a biblical doctrine, then Martin Luther's anti-semitic rants would be just grounds for rejecting it.

But, seeing that the doctrine of justification by faith apart from works is a biblical doctrine, we know that the origins of the doctrine are not found in Martin Luther, but in the holy scriptures.

Therefore we cannot reject the doctrine on the basis of Martin Luther's bad fruit; for it is apparent that Martin Luther was a rotten apple that fell from the true and faithful tree of biblical exposition and teaching.

It is unfortunate that it had to be that he himself was a bearer of bad fruit while carrying the good seeds of biblical doctrine.

It just goes to show that you can have rotten fruit with good seeds in it...

Is this not also true in nature?
 

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Blah blah blah -- you had it for a moment .. and then you lost it

So - Judgement or No Judgement/and or Free Pass are works accounted for .. or are they not -- All sin can be forgiven says Jesus - Sin against the Father, Sin against the Son ... cept one..

How did Sophia become so important all of a sudden --- Thats my name for the big HS ... like to keep the feminine in my trinity .. if ya know what I mean .. nudge nudge .. wink wink .. say no more :)

Wat dat one Papa ? What dat bad sin Sin gainst Sophia .. what dat

The floor is yours .. and do try to be imaginative .. use your own thoughts .. as much as ye reckon possible .. rather than that of Paul ... Joke ..

Seriously .. what dis bad sin ?
Gnosticism?

Sophia is the name given for wisdom by the gnostics.

This is the reason why Paul wrote Colossians 2:1-4.
 

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Blah blah blah -- you had it for a moment .. and then you lost it

So - Judgement or No Judgement/and or Free Pass are works accounted for .. or are they not -- All sin can be forgiven says Jesus - Sin against the Father, Sin against the Son ... cept one..

How did Sophia become so important all of a sudden --- Thats my name for the big HS ... like to keep the feminine in my trinity .. if ya know what I mean .. nudge nudge .. wink wink .. say no more :)

Wat dat one Papa ? What dat bad sin Sin gainst Sophia .. what dat

The floor is yours .. and do try to be imaginative .. use your own thoughts .. as much as ye reckon possible .. rather than that of Paul ... Joke ..

Seriously .. what dis bad sin ?
Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is simply to reject Jesus Christ and His gift of salvation unto the day of one's death (see John 6:37).
 

justbyfaith

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We agree on that. But that doesn't equal OSAS.

It equals POTS.

And one can do this even if they were once truly saved.

I sincerely doubt that....for in fact the holy scriptures are clear that if a man hears Jesus' words and believes on Him who sent Him, that he shall not come into condemnation but is passed from death unto everlasting life (John 5:24 (kjv)).
 

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that....for in fact the holy scriptures are clear that if a man hears Jesus' words and believes on Him who sent Him, that he shall not come into condemnation but is passed from death unto everlasting life (John 5:24 (kjv)).
And what happens if he stops believing?
 

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Gnosticism?

Sophia is the name given for wisdom by the gnostics.

This is the reason why Paul wrote Colossians 2:1-4.

Sophia is also the name the Israelite's had for Wisdom - and the name for Wisdom in General what ever - but what does this have to do with the unforgivable sin ..

What is the unforgivable sin ?
 

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Oh you are calvinist? Nevermind then
I know better than to try and talk sense into those invested in that closed system.

I probably hold to two of the five points in Calvinism...so no, I am not a Calvinist.

I am aware, however, of what Calvinism teaches...as should you be if you are going to be educated concerning the faith.

I have no clue what you are talking about .. .so what is the unforgivable Sin .. ? in your own words .. not someone elses.

Those were in my words...and yes, I got the doctrine that those words came from, via someone else...
 

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those are the tares among the wheat, the goats mixed with the sheep that get separated at the Judgment hence all the warning passages because from our perspective we don't know the difference since they say Lord Lord we did all these things in your name and Jesus responds " depart from Me you workers of iniquity I never knew you"

They appear to be believers in the church but there has been ne real conversion. They have not been born again and received eternal life. Like judas they fall away and their true colors show in the end.

hope this helps !!!
Sorry--no help at all. Just the same old arguments--"They were never saved to begin with," they say. Well, then, the assurance of salvation OSAS provides is no assurance at all. It could just as easily be self-deceit. It confounds me.