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1Pe 3:20, Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21, The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

It should be clear that while baptism does not consist of removing the filth of the flesh, it does wash away sins:

Act 22:16, And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 

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Bottom line===Baptism saves no one!!!
That's not what Peter said
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you"

OOPS!!! Did God forget to tell us that we MUSTbe baptized to be saved????
.OOPS!!! Did God forget to tell us that we must be baptized to be saved????

Well Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
 

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Here is how to get a scripture to harmonize itself...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Harmonizing a pet verse with another pet verse is not how you properly harmonize scripture with scripture (the entirety of scripture) in order to reach the proper conclusion on doctrine. Now go back and meditate on posts #91 and #96. - How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!

The Bible makes is clear that man is saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:2,6-8,26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 Peter 1:5,9; 1 John 5:4,13 etc..). *What happened to baptism in these multiple passages of scripture? *Hermeneutics.
 

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"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you"
This needs to be properly interpreted. The thought should be completed: The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us -- not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God -- by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

What is it that saves us? Paul said "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..." and believing on Him includes believing on His death, burial, and resurrection (as the finished work of Christ) which saves us. Here His resurrection is mentioned. But baptism is connected with "the answer of a good conscience toward God".

In what sense does this apply? (1) those who repent (turn from their sins and idols) now have a good conscience toward God (instead of a guilty conscience). Furthermore, (2) those who obey Christ in Christian baptism also have a good conscience, in that they did exactly what Christ commanded.

If water baptism could save anyone, then the shed blood of Christ would not have been necessary. Even John the Baptist -- who preached about repentance and baptism -- was required to speak of the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world.

Furthermore, since Peter connects this to the deliverance of eight souls from the Flood of Noah's day, we need to ask ourselves this question:
"Was it the Ark which saved Noah and his family or was it the flood waters?" and the answer is obvious. The Ark is a type of Christ, and those who are "in Christ" are saved from the wrath of God.
 
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Mk 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
General cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized but he who does not believe will be condemned.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1Pet 3 " Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you,"
Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contract with the water and they all perished.

Ti 3:5 "he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit"
The washing of regeneration is not accomplished by water baptism/plain ordinary H20. The word "washing" in the Strong's Greek Concordance with Vine's Number 3067 - (Loutron) "a bath, a laver" is used *metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing,* (Ephesians 5:26; and Titus 3:5), of the "washing of regeneration." Washing refers to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, which is accomplished by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

John 3:5 "Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
In John 4:10, Jesus said - Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.” In verse 14, Jesus also said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” Living water is not water baptism/plain ordinary H20. In John 7:37-39, we read - ..If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.. In 1 Corinthians 12:13 in regards to receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit. *Hermeneutics.

We also see in scripture where "water" is used as an emblem of the word of God (clean because of the word/washing of water by the word) and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, divine life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4). The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit is the Agent who accomplishes the miracle of regeneration.
 
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Harmonizing a pet verse with another pet verse is not how you properly harmonize scripture with scripture (the entirety of scripture) in order to reach the proper conclusion on doctrine. Now go back and meditate on posts #91 and #96. - How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!

The Bible makes is clear that man is saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:2,6-8,26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 Peter 1:5,9; 1 John 5:4,13 etc..). *What happened to baptism in these multiple passages of scripture? *Hermeneutics.
You are an Acts skipper sir.
 

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These fellers are Acts skippers.


Don’t “ skip” Acts......just don’t go there for Doctrine.....the Book Of Acts is a Transistinal Book.....let it lead you to Romans....THAT is where Christians who are “ post Cross” and live in the Age Of Grace are to get their “ marching orders”......Those “ orders “ are to hear the Gospel and to Believe the Gospel..
 

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This needs to be properly interpreted. The thought should be completed: The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us -- not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God -- by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

What is it that saves us? Paul said "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..." and believing on Him includes believing on His death, burial, and resurrection (as the finished work of Christ) which saves us. Here His resurrection is mentioned. But baptism is connected with "the answer of a good conscience toward God".

In what sense does this apply? (1) those who repent (turn from their sins and idols) now have a good conscience toward God (instead of a guilty conscience). Furthermore, (2) those who obey Christ in Christian baptism also have a good conscience, in that they did exactly what Christ commanded.

If water baptism could save anyone, then the shed blood of Christ would not have been necessary. Even John the Baptist -- who preached about repentance and baptism -- was required to speak of the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world.

Furthermore, since Peter connects this to the deliverance of eight souls from the Flood of Noah's day, we need to ask ourselves this question:
"Was it the Ark which saved Noah and his family or was it the flood waters?" and the answer is obvious. The Ark is a type of Christ, and those who are "in Christ" are saved from the wrath of God.

There are many baptisms in the OT as well as John's baptism in the NT. They are not the same.
Baptism in Jesus name + faith is when Jesus saves us.
That doesn't remove the necessary for Christ's sacrificial death.
The Council of Trent identified five different causes of our initial Justification:
1. the final cause indeed is the glory of God and of Jesus Christ, and life everlasting;
2. the efficient cause is a merciful God who washes and sanctifies gratuitously, signing, and anointing with the holy Spirit of promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance;
3. the meritorious cause is His most beloved only-begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies, for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, merited Justification for us by His most holy Passion on the wood of the cross, and made satisfaction for us unto God the Father;
4. the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which (faith) no man was ever justified
5. the alone formal cause is the justice of God

The shed blood of Christ is no. 3 - the meritorious cause. By his Passion and death Christ merited salvation for us.
Baptism is no. 4 - the instrumental cause - how & when that which Christ merited is applied to us.

Furthermore, since Peter connects this to the deliverance of eight souls from the Flood of Noah's day, we need to ask ourselves this question: "Was it the Ark which saved Noah and his family or was it the flood waters?" and the answer is obvious. The Ark is a type of Christ, and those who are "in Christ" are saved from the wrath of God.

I would not agree that Peter was referring to the ark as saving Noah and his family. That does not tie up with the rest of his sentence -
"not the putting away of the filth of the flesh" and "the answer of a good conscience toward God"

Sure, Those in the ark were saved from the water but that is not the comparison that Peter was making. They were not saved from water but through water (RSV, NIV, NAB, HCSB) or by water (KJV). The word tranlated in most Bible as through is Strong 1223 "A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through....."

The water was the means by which they were saved so Peter is therefore not referring to their salvation from the flood but a different salvation in which water was the means, the channel.

Immediately before God tells Noah to build the Ark he explains what he is doing:
“In the eyes of God the earth was corrupt and full of lawlessness. When God saw how corrupt the earth had become, since all mortals led depraved lives on earth, he said to Noah: “I have decided to put an end to all mortals on earth; the earth is full of lawlessness because of them. So I will destroy them and all life on earth.” (Gen 6:11-13)

The water (the flood) destroyed the world with all it’s sin and iniquity. It was this that those in the Ark were saved from by means of water.
And as in other examples in the OT the pre-figuring was physical, in the NT the anti-type (baptism) is spiritual.
And it saves us in a similar way, by clearing out the sin and iniquity in us. As Peter goes on to say it is an appeal to God for a clear conscience - because our sins are forgiven.

It is this same Peter that said at Pentecost
Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. (Acts 2:38)
And Paul recounts about his own baptism
Now, why delay? Get up and have yourself baptised and your sins washed away, calling upon his name. (Acts 22:16).
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General cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized but he who does not believe will be condemned.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contract with the water and they all perished.

The washing of regeneration is not accomplished by water baptism/plain ordinary H20. The word "washing" in the Strong's Greek Concordance with Vine's Number 3067 - (Loutron) "a bath, a laver" is used *metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing,* (Ephesians 5:26; and Titus 3:5), of the "washing of regeneration." Washing refers to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, which is accomplished by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.

In John 4:10, Jesus said -
Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.” In verse 14, Jesus also said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” Living water is not water baptism/plain ordinary H20. In John 7:37-39, we read - ..If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.. In 1 Corinthians 12:13 in regards to receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit. *Hermeneutics.

We also see in scripture where "water" is used as an emblem of the word of God (clean because of the word/washing of water by the word) and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, divine life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4). The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit is the Agent who accomplishes the miracle of regeneration.

See post #150 - my reply to Enoch
 

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Don’t “ skip” Acts......just don’t go there for Doctrine.....the Book Of Acts is a Transistinal Book.....let it lead you to Romans....THAT is where Christians who are “ post Cross” and live in the Age Of Grace are to get their “ marching orders”......Those “ orders “ are to hear the Gospel and to Believe the Gospel..
Acts shows us what the Apostles did. We follow them exactly in doctrine and experience.

We don't practice skipping Acts and reading Romans to sinners, nor did the Acts saints.

The qualifications to read Romans, etc., are to obey Acts 2:38. Then you are officially qualified to read the epistles to the saints.
 

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Acts shows us what the Apostles did. We follow them exactly in doctrine and experience.

We don't practice skipping Acts and reading Romans to sinners, nor did the Acts saints.

The qualifications to read Romans, etc., are to obey Acts 2:38. Then you are officially qualified to read the epistles to the saints.

LOL!!! So now some are reduced to saying only some people are qualified to read parts of the Bible!! I think Satan likes that idea too
 

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LOL!!! So now some are reduced to saying only some people are qualified to read parts of the Bible!! I think Satan likes that idea too
Case in point.

For saints only...

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, ...


...so, please don't teach this to unregenerated sinners.

Thank you.
 

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Don’t “ skip” Acts......just don’t go there for Doctrine.....the Book Of Acts is a Transistinal Book.....let it lead you to Romans....THAT is where Christians who are “ post Cross” and live in the Age Of Grace are to get their “ marching orders”......Those “ orders “ are to hear the Gospel and to Believe the Gospel..
That is some scary stuff my friend . We cant pick and choose what men tell us to pick and choose .
The book is as much TRUTH as is the rest of the bible . It shows us where the errors were as well . Paul corrected , peter corrected .
We dont SKIP any part of the bible . That is the weakest line of defense i ever seen.
IF what peter said was in error , it would have been corrected . Transitional . no . TRUTH . It shows us where the error was .
 
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Case in point.

For saints only...

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, ...


...so, please don't teach this to unregenerated sinners.

Thank you.

Teach and give ALL the Bible truths to unbelievers!
 

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That is some scary stuff my friend . We cant pick and choose what men tell us to pick and choose .
The book is as much TRUTH as is the rest of the bible . It shows us where the errors were as well . Paul corrected , peter corrected .
We dont SKIP any part of the bible . That is the weakest line of defense i ever seen.
IF what peter said was in error , it would have been corrected . Transitional . no . TRUTH . It shows us where the error was .


I never said “ skip it”.....exaggerate much? It is great Book Of the Bible ...... So is Leviticus ....we just do not go to either for Doctrine ....Paul had too many “ mysteries” to reveal yet to stop with that Book....God wants us to be capable Students Of His Word and learn how to “ Rightly Divide” . We need to Glean all that we can from All Of Paul’s Letters Before we try to Teach about this Age Of Grace and how to live it.....Acts dealt with other Matters , equally important, But is not the total story.....