The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS

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Renniks

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probably hold to two of the five points in Calvinism...so no, I am not a Calvinist.

I am aware, however, of what Calvinism teaches...as should you be if you are going to be educated concerning the faith.
Oh, I'm quite aware. In fact it's the only way OSAS makes sense because in that system, freewill is absent and grace is irresistible.

But the whole system is flawed.
 

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Oh, I'm quite aware. In fact it's the only way OSAS makes sense because in that system, freewill is absent and grace is irresistible.

But the whole system is flawed.
Of course...nevertheless POTS holds true according to holy scripture (1 John 2:17).
 

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Sorry--no help at all. Just the same old arguments--"They were never saved to begin with," they say. Well, then, the assurance of salvation OSAS provides is no assurance at all. It could just as easily be self-deceit. It confounds me.
thats why its called ETERNAL LIFE and Jesus said He gives that to His sheep and they will NEVER PERISH.

Its to bad you don't believe His words above.
 

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Those were in my words...and yes, I got the doctrine that those words came from, via someone else...

Does the question confuse you or something ? What doctrine .. what words ? all you presented was link which did not address the question...

What is the unforgivable sin ? - have you not heard of this before - in your own words .. posting some link to answer a simple question is super lame ... do you not know ? that is fine .. I can explain it to you if you like.. just wondering if you knew.
 

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"Enjoy your time in hell?" Really? I hope we're all prepared to be judged with the measure we use.
I'm certain that BB1953 knows that he is saved by a standard gospel truth and that all will be judged by that standard gospel truth.

In setting forth that standard, it should be clear that some will be saved according to it and others will not be saved according to it.

But in setting forth the standard, we are not judging. It is the standard that does the judging.

So, in saying that @Heyzeus's next stop is hell (which remains to be seen; because he may still turn away from his false system of belief), @Blood Bought 1953 was merely setting forth the standard and subjecting @Heyzeus to the light of it.
 

justbyfaith

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all you presented was link which did not address the question...
It does address the question.

The link was to a post that had been posted only a few posts before that one...which was to say that I had already answered your question.

Maybe if I quote the post in question it will be more to your liking...

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is simply to reject Jesus Christ and His gift of salvation unto the day of one's death (see John 6:37).
 

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I'm certain that BB1953 knows that he is saved by a standard gospel truth and that all will be judged by that standard gospel truth.

In setting forth that standard, it should be clear that some will be saved according to it and others will not be saved according to it.

But in setting forth the standard, we are not judging. It is the standard that does the judging.

So, in saying that @Heyzeus's next stop is hell (which remains to be seen; because he may still turn away from his false system of belief), @Blood Bought 1953 was merely setting forth the standard and subjecting @Heyzeus to the light of it.
Baaaalloney
 

justbyfaith

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But one can cease being a sheep.
That's funny...I thought that God was the only one who had the power to metamorphasize a man. It turns out the devil can do that too?

I'm surprised he doesn't just change us back any time God changes any one of us from a sinner into a saint...
 

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That's funny...I thought that God was the only one who had the power to metamorphasize a man. It turns out the devil can do that too?

I'm surprised he doesn't just change us back any time God changes any one of us from a sinner into a saint...
Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
 
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thats why its called ETERNAL LIFE and Jesus said He gives that to His sheep and they will NEVER PERISH.

Its to bad you don't believe His words above.
Telling others what you believe they believe or don't believe makes you look foolish. You shouldn't do that. You don't have a clue as to my basic belief system. And you sure don't know my interpretation of any given passage. People interpret Bible texts differently and to say that one is in a state of unbelief because of that is just plain ignorant and often hurtful. Kind of the opposite of what Christians are supposed to act like, you know?
 

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Praise the LORD! it ain't bologna at all...

A few scriptures for your edification:

Hebrews 3:7-8

Hebrews 3:15

Hebrews 4:7.
You actually think these texts equate to "Enjoy your time in hell?" Am I being punk'd? Is this a rib of some kind?

By the way, bologna is a meat product, not to be confused with baloney--pure nonsense.
 

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Telling others what you believe they believe or don't believe makes you look foolish. You shouldn't do that. You don't have a clue as to my basic belief system. And you sure don't know my interpretation of any given passage. People interpret Bible texts differently and to say that one is in a state of unbelief because of that is just plain ignorant and often hurtful. Kind of the opposite of what Christians are supposed to act like, you know?

2Co 11:6, But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
 
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You actually think these texts equate to "Enjoy your time in hell?" Am I being punk'd? Is this a rib of some kind?

By the way, bologna is a meat product, not to be confused with baloney--pure nonsense.
And it also ain't baloney...
 

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Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
See 2 Corinthians 5:17 (kjv)...we become a permanent servant of the Lord when we are born again (see also 1 John 2:17).