O House Of Israel, Where Are You?

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Nearly two thousand, eight hundred years ago, God exiled the House Of Israel from the Promised Land.
Hashem said that Israel would lose their awareness of who they were.
He said that the whole earth would be blessed through their descendants.
He also said that during the last days, He would wake them up, with their Levites being first.
I believe that after a season of repentance, healing, and restoration, He would do through the Levites what He has done in them.
I had met Jesus in 1973, though I hadn't been looking for Him.
During 1994, I walked into an unknown church, looking for God.
My Father found me as I was looking for Him.
He showed me things I found amazing, but the most amazing thing for me was His love for me.
The result of this is I've never turned away from Him since.
Where would I go?
A few years later found me leading worship in the middle of what was then
called, "The Father's Blessing."
Also known as the renewal of the church.
After leading one Sunday morning, and as I was walking to the back of the auditorium, God spoke to me something I'd never thought before.
He said, "You are a Levite."
As I walked, I thought, "Oh, like the Levites of ancient Israel when they led worship in the Temple."
A few weeks later, after I'd just finished leading worship, He said exactly the same thing to me.
I again thought He meant that what I was doing was what a Levite had done.
A few weeks later I had a repeat of the first two times.
This time, however, I thought He meant that I was a spiritual Levite.
I soon forgot about it.
Over the years I'd remember these times and just as soon forgot about them. Time marched on.
During the Fall of 2019, I was watching Christian testimonies on YouTube.
I got a spiritual lift from them.
When they started running out, I watched a Messianic Jew testimony.
I got the same lift.
It was the same Spirit.
No surprise.
I may have heard something that got me thinking about what God had said to me 22 years earlier.
I decided that I should at least rule out my being a physical descendant of the House Of Israel.
I'd learned many things from online searching so I decided to start by watching a documentary on ancient Israel.
I felt a little silly, what were the odds?
As I watched the video unfold, I learned about how the House Of Israel turned from God and started worshipping idols and false gods.
About how God had exiled the 10 tribes and how they'd forgetten who they were. Along with the promise of how He would wake them up during the last days.
They were marched into Assyria and after the Mede/Persian army freed them some years later, most of them went north and west, just like God had said.
The documentary followed some that went to Scandinavia and how, many years later, some went by sea and landed at what would become Normandy, France, during the 1500s.
At this point, I thought, "wait a minute, my parents' family tree went back to Normandy during this same time."
The connection was clear to me, as well as the Holy Spirit telling me this was so. I sat stunned.
I'd never heard of anything Israeli in my family.
We were English and Scottish.
We didn't even know any Jewish people.
It was one thing to be told by God that I was a Levite, but this connection made it real to me.
No more "like a Levite" or "a spiritual Levite."
And no going back.
I immediately looked up the origin of my family name which I'd tried countless times before with the same results.
That my last name originated in England and France.
I knew there was more to it.
But I didn't know what.
I right away found new information that said my family name originated in NORMANDY!!!
Once again I sat stunned.
I did the same search a few weeks later and found another source that said that the surname Coates originated in Normandy.
This info was related to a genealogical group.
I've since learned that when the tribes split with some going to the British Isles and the rest going to Scandinavia, they went by boat.
Coates means, "they that live in cottages by the sea."
Since my people were then Vikings and invaders, they stayed close to their get-away-vehicles (boats).
At first.
They later became Christians and went on to become nobles in France.
Their Norse king even became king of England, if you can believe it.
On March 16, 2000, I was away at a 5-day seminar when Jesus told me that He loves His bride and then let me feel His heart.
The grief was overwhelming.
Today, when I talk or even think about these lost people, His grief again fills my heart.
Because of this, and my love for my Lord, I am compelled to look for them.
I'm seeing that this is one of my purposes from the Lord.
I am in the early stages of this.
He woke me up by speaking to me.
The ancient prophecy states that God would wake them up through inspiration. He inspires through His servants, for the most part.
The Lord said, "Who shall I send?"
You would've seen me in the background jumping up and down and yelling, "pick me, pick me."
And so He did.
Brit/Am is Hebrew for, "a covenant (Hebrew, "brit") of the people." One source says it means, "Israel."
Brit/Am, Brit/An, Brit/ain. Britain.
Scripture foretold how the lost 10 would become a nation and a nation of nations.
How the world would be blessed through them.
How they would number the grains of sand on the beach or the stars in the sky.
So for those who have ears to hear, I say, "O House Of Israel, where are You?" This is not the cry of my heart only, rather, it is the cry of your Maker calling you back to your inheritance through His Son Jesus/Yashua.
To His unconditional love, He simply says, "Come."
"And in the very place it was said to them, 'you are not My people,' there they will be called, 'children of the living God.'" Romans 9:26 NIV
"Do you know why Christians think they are Israel?
Because for much of the church, they are."
And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and was crying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; My daughter is severely oppressed by a demon."
But He did not answer her a word.
And so His disciples came and begged Him, 'Send her away, for she is crying out after us."
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel."
But she came and knelt before Him, saying, "Lord, help me."
And He answered, "It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."
She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table."
Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire."
And her daughter was healed instantly. Matthew 15:22-28 ESV Most translations have, "House Of Israel."
He loves you; you can trust Him not to reject you."
I know because He has totally accepted me solely on what Jesus/Yeshua did for us.
Why should you listen to me?
Because I'm one of you.
A Hebrew Christian.
Shalom.
Later: He recently, in the Spirit, detached me from Ephra'im and reattached me to Judah. If nothing else, being descended from the 13th tribe (Levi) gives me something else to think about.
Oh man...I need to be careful I don't start snapping brain cells! Lol

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Ron, since Jesus came and offered Salvation to all who will accept it, ethnicity or ancestry is of no consequence to us. Ephesians 2:11-18
However; God does have a secret, He has kept His eyes on the House of Israel, Amos 9:8-9, and He sent Jesus to save them. Matthew 15:24

It follows therefore, that the Christians are the Israelites of God and all the Promises of God to Israel are ours, through Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:20
 
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Ron, since Jesus came and offered Salvation to all who will accept it, ethnicity or ancestry is of no consequence to us. Ephesians 2:11-18
However; God does have a secret, He has kept His eyes on the House of Israel, Amos 9:8-9, and He sent Jesus to save them. Matthew 15:24

It follows therefore, that the Christians are the Israelites of God and all the Promises of God to Israel are ours, through Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:20
Hi. Good to hear from you. So much for replacement theology. "We, the church are Israel." "No you're not, we are (the nation of) Israel. You are the church." It seems that both sides of this argument are right. It's not us or them, It's us and them. He has never forgotten any of us. He is a genius! Shalom
 

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@Ron Coates
Most everyone who has studied the Bible and listened to preachers and teachers for very long has heard of types and shadows, but often they presume that they are all to found in the OT. They are found there, but, not only there.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Col 2:16-17

"For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises." Heb 8:4-6

Then consider the parables of Jesus, when understood could really lead a man from the shadow to the reality:

"Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." Matt 13:9-13

Jesus understood, but in the beginning even his closest followers failed to see as is understood by their question in verse 13:10..."Why speakest thou unto them in parables?"

In your own personal life now you have and have had shadows of the Reality. What can a shadow do?

"And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)
Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them." Acts 5:14-15

Perhaps you @Ron Coates can go on from there!

Give God the glory!
 

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Hi. Good to hear from you. So much for replacement theology. "We, the church are Israel." "No you're not, we are (the nation of) Israel. You are the church." It seems that both sides of this argument are right. It's not us or them, It's us and them. He has never forgotten any of us. He is a genius! Shalom
How is 'us and them' portrayed or seem as distinct visible people in life today, and then in the future?

Bless you,

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@Ron Coates
Most everyone who has studied the Bible and listened to preachers and teachers for very long has heard of types and shadows, but often they presume that they are all to found in the OT. They are found there, but, not only there.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Col 2:16-17

"For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises." Heb 8:4-6

Then consider the parables of Jesus, when understood could really lead a man from the shadow to the reality:

"Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." Matt 13:9-13

Jesus understood, but in the beginning even his closest followers failed to see as is understood by their question in verse 13:10..."Why speakest thou unto them in parables?"

In your own personal life now you have and have had shadows of the Reality. What can a shadow do?

"And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)
Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them." Acts 5:14-15

Perhaps you @Ron Coates can go on from there!
Thank you, and amen, brother. I hope to see this too. "For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by His Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh..." Philippians 3:3 NIV
Give God the glory!
 
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Hi. Good to hear from you. So much for replacement theology. "We, the church are Israel." "No you're not, we are (the nation of) Israel. You are the church." It seems that both sides of this argument are right. It's not us or them, It's us and them. He has never forgotten any of us. He is a genius! Shalom
@Ron Coates I do think that 1 Cor. 10.32 shows that the church and Israel are distinct in Scripture.
 

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How is 'us and them' portrayed or seem as distinct visible people in life today, and then in the future?

Bless you,

APAK
Hi. I was referring to the Jews and the church. I believe that one day all those who have accepted Christ/Mashiach will be together with a full understanding of where they fit in God's plan. We have the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, and the reunited nation of Israel. Shalom
 

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Hi. I was referring to the Jews and the church. I believe that one day all those who have accepted Christ/Mashiach will be together with a full understanding of where they fit in God's plan. We have the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, and the reunited nation of Israel. Shalom

That is who I was referring to as well..so do we see two physical separated and distinguishable peoples today, and then is this the case in the future? We have to add reality to what we believe in, and with more detail beside providing bottom-line. This is also what I'm probing for here.

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@Ron Coates I do think that 1 Cor. 10.32 shows that the church and Israel are distinct in Scripture.
You are correct. When the House of Israel leaves the body of Christ to return to the Promised Land, this will become obvious. The body will still have a large number of people and will retain what God has created them for. Without the Body, God's family would never be complete.
What I like about this is that we are both right. It's not a matter of changing one's thinking, but rather deepening one's understanding. God's a genius, isn't He? Shalom.
 

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You are correct. When the House of Israel leaves the body of Christ to return to the Promised Land, this will become obvious. The body will still have a large number of people and will retain what God has created them for. Without the Body, God's family would never be complete.
What I like about this is that we are both right. It's not a matter of changing one's thinking, but rather deepening one's understanding. God's a genius, isn't He? Shalom.
I do think all the church will be raptured, though (1 Thess. 4); and not just the Gentile-origin element.
 
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You are correct. When the House of Israel leaves the body of Christ to return to the Promised Land, this will become obvious. The body will still have a large number of people and will retain what God has created them for. Without the Body, God's family would never be complete.
What I like about this is that we are both right. It's not a matter of changing one's thinking, but rather deepening one's understanding. God's a genius, isn't He? Shalom.

Ron: I've never heard of this theory before, concerning (blood-line) Israelites (not the fake type Jews of today I hope you are not including) identifiable today and tomorrow, to 'leave' the Body of Christ in the future? It raises all kinds of questions? What does this mean when a Christianany Christian leaves the Body of Christ to you, to go to a 'special' physical location. Are they still in the Body of Christ or not? Are they a special type of Christian within the Body? I'm really confused here. You are mixing a specific physical ancestry of a people since about 2000 years ago, with their common spiritual renewal to Christ, within the Body, on equal footing and in importance here. Enlighten me. Can you show me some scripture for this stunning revelation, for me anyway.

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That is who I was referring to as well..so do we see two physical separated and distinguishable peoples today, and then is this the case in the future? We have to add reality to what we believe in, and with more detail beside providing bottom-line. This is also what I'm probing for here.

Thanks

APAK
Reconciliation, I've heard, is a trait of a Levite. "He says, "It is too small a thing for You to be My Servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light to the Gentiles, that You may bring My salvation to the ends of the earth." Isaiah 49:6 NIV
 

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Reconciliation, I've heard, is a trait of a Levite. "He says, "It is too small a thing for You to be My Servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light to the Gentiles, that You may bring My salvation to the ends of the earth." Isaiah 49:6 NIV
Isa 49:6 the servant in this verse is Christ of Israel ancestry...it speaks to Christ (Our high priest/Levi if you will) that brings salvation to the world....and not the blood-line of an Israelite or any priest of Judah in our future time.
 

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Ron: I've never heard of this theory before, concerning (blood-line) Israelites (not the fake type Jews of today I hope you are not including) identifiable today and tomorrow, to 'leave' the Body of Christ in the future? It raises all kinds of questions? What does this mean when a Christianany Christian leaves the Body of Christ to you, to go to a 'special' physical location. Are they still in the Body of Christ or not? Are they a special type of Christian within the Body? I'm really confused here. You are mixing a specific physical ancestry of a people since about 2000 years ago, with their common spiritual renewal to Christ, within the Body, on equal footing and in importance here. Enlighten me. Can you show me some scripture for this stunning revelation, for me anyway.

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Hi. I do believe that the church is part of God's Israel. I also believe that the time will come when the church and the lost tribes will return to the Promised Land. Only those who are in Christ will be saved.
I believe that when many Christians say they are Israel, they are right and it was likely God who gave them that revelation. This isn't a matter of changing one's mind about some things, rather, it is having a deepening understanding of what one believed prior to hearing what I'm saying. God wants to add and not take away.
I believe God has commissioned me to proclaim this message. As usual, judge by the fruit. Ask our Lord if what I'm saying is true. Never take another's word for anything, that's my motto. It's more work but you won't get deceived.
"It is too small a thing for You to be My Servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make You a light for the Gentiles, that You may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth." Isaiah 49:6 NIV
I believe the book of the prophet Hosea is about the lost tribes of the House of Israel. God's judgement and His promise of future redemption for them are to be found throughout the pages of the bible. See Isaiah 49:22,23
For me, this all started by a revelation God gave me. He first started talking to me about this in 1996-97 by telling me 3 times that I was a Levite, though I thought He meant that I was like a Levite, or perhaps I was a spiritual Levite.
Being a descendent of Israel wasn't a part of my family knowledge. I don't recall even knowing a Jewish person, which I am not; don't get me wrong, though, I love Judah and company. Shalom
 
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Isa 49:6 the servant in this verse is Christ of Israel ancestry...it speaks to Christ (Our high priest/Levi if you will) that brings salvation to the world....and not the blood-line of an Israelite or any priest of Judah in our future time.
Isa 49:6 includes what I'm talking about. The first part.
I know there is a sea of confusion out there concerning the 10 lost tribes. It was like God parted the frenzy and led me right to a man named, "Yair Davidiy." He is an unorthodox Orthodox Jew who lives in Jerusalem. He is also a scholar, an author, and an expert in the 10 lost tribes.
He believes that Yeshua is the Messiah and that Judah will be saved when He returns again. He does say, however, that it is strictly forbidden for a Jew to accept Yeshua/Jesus. This part I disagree with him on. There is also a revival happening in Israel, specifically in the streets of Jerusalem.
He believes that the 10 will one day be restored to the Promised Land. He believes that the church is also a part of greater Israel and will return to the nation of Israel with the 10 tribes.
I believe that much of the West contains most of the lost tribes. But not all. We are talking a huge number of people, like the grains of sand on a beach or the stars in the night sky. I also believe that much of the church is actually descended from the lost tribes. God will awaken and in His time, move them, along with the church, to Israel. This could not happen today.
BTW I am a Levi'im and not a Kohanim priest. A worship leader appointed by God. Due to the healing and the freedom He's worked in me, I believe He will do it through me. In a way, this would make me a "temple" worker." Today's temple. Us. Which is what the temple of ancient Israel was a prophetic foreshadowing of. Edit: since I wrote this, I have realized that there is a possibility that I am a descendent of Aaron. This matters because God made an eternal covenant with Aaron that there would always be Levite priests.
 
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I know there is a sea of confusion out there concerning the 10 lost tribes.
That is because who they are and their whereabouts today is God's secret. He knows and He is working with them thru Jesus. Amos 9:8-9
The fact is; the only people they can possibly be, is the born again Christian peoples. It is just Satan's deception that makes people think the Jewish State of Israel is Gods people. Its obvious to anyone, they are not that.
But where it gets complicated is with those who believe in the false teaching of the 'rapture' of the Church, they must have the Jews; the 'Israel' on the earth, going thru tribulation and eventually accepting Jesus. This scenario is not what the Bible says at all.

Where I fell out with Yair Davidy, is when I proved to him that the Jews will be punished and only a remnant will survive. Romans 8:27
That remnant will be those Jews who have become Christians now.
Isa 49:6 the servant in this verse is Christ of Israel ancestry...it speaks to Christ (Our high priest/Levi if you will) that brings salvation to the world....and not the blood-line of an Israelite or any priest of Judah in our future time.
Right; Isaiah 66:21 and Revelation 5:10 make it clear: We Christians will be the Priests in the new Temple and His co-rulers.
 
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