O House Of Israel, Where Are You?

Truman · Sep 26, 2020

Keraz said:
That is because who they are and their whereabouts today is God's secret. He knows and He is working with them thru Jesus. Amos 9:8-9
The fact is; the only people they can possibly be, is the born again Christian peoples. It is just Satan's deception that makes people think the Jewish State of Israel is Gods people. Its obvious to anyone, they are not that.
But where it gets complicated is with those who believe in the false teaching of the 'rapture' of the Church, they must have the Jews; the 'Israel' on the earth, going thru tribulation and eventually accepting Jesus. This scenario is not what the Bible says at all.

Where I fell out with Yair Davidy, is when I proved to him that the Jews will be punished and only a remnant will survive. Romans 8:27
That remnant will be those Jews who have become Christians now.

Right; Isaiah 66:21 and Revelation 5:10 make it clear: We Christians will be the Priests in the new Temple and His co-rulers.

Hi.
During the summer of 1973, I was nagged into going to church.
I had no interest in going, other than to shut this guy up.
We went and after the service, a leader read John 3:16 to me and it pierced my heart.
I actually had a vision of a sword thrusting out from between curtains and plunging into my gut.
I instantly knew it was true.
I was at a Toronto-area pentecostal church named, "Queensway Cathedral."
It wasn't close to where I grew up.
And my ride went back home out west.
After a while, I went back to my old life though I always knew in my heart that Jesus died for me.
I believe I was spiritually reborn and justified then.
I had no understanding of the soul.
I was baptized during the summer of '75 at a charismatic church in Calgary.
It didn't last for me.
During 1990 I joined a Christian Reformed church and stayed there for a year.
I made a public confession of faith before the congregation.
A few years later I went back to my old life.
During early 1994 I had a crisis when I understood that I couldn't control my addictions.
I thought I would die.
I almost did, again, the previous Fall.
God the Father showed me His love for me during my first visit to a Vineyard church during July 1994.
I haven't walked away from Him since.
I know my need.
I led worship in a church for 3 years and then at a home group for 2.
Our fellowship was in the church renewal and I ministered in it with song.
I then went to a Christian retreat where God freed me from oppression, curses, and taught me how to follow Jesus regarding the daily cross.
I've been a professing Christian for 26 years.
I like Yair.
I think he's biased towards the Jews but that's human.
I only know that he's being used by God to prepare Israel for the knowledge of the found 10 tribes.
Until then, we can't go home.
And he will happily work with Christians.
He's not your average Jew.
God had already taught me much before I ever heard of the man.
I learn by an anointing the Lord put on me.
And I'm led into all truth by the Holy Spirit.
I trust no man.
God alone deserves my trust.
He earned it and He's kept it.
But He will tell me what He knows I need to hear.
And I've learned to heed His warnings the hard way.
I believe that much, perhaps most of the church is descended from the 10 tribes.
I believe it in my heart because that's where God put it.
For years I'd read the old testament and when it talked of Israel, it spoke to me personally.
I knew the word applied to me, though I didn't understand what He meant.
I do now.
In the Spirit, we are one.
I understand that for now, you must call it a theory.
Healthy skepticism, which is wise.
For me, it came by revelation.
Though it's only been a year since I understood about the 10 tribes, He started preparing me 21 years ago.
I hope you had some spare time. Lol
I know I can talk, I must have the gift of gab.
I don't think you'll find that one in the bible. Lol
I don't expect to tell someone all this and have them say, "Far out!"
It's taken years for God to work it in me.
But with God all things are possible.
You have a nice evening, Ron

kcnalp · Sep 26, 2020

The Church is not Israel.

Enoch111 · Sep 26, 2020

farouk said:
@Ron Coates I do think that 1 Cor. 10.32 shows that the church and Israel are distinct in Scripture.

Yes. There is no question that the Church and the nation of Israel (consisting of the twelve tribes) are distinct and will remain distinct in eternity. Revelation 7 clearly brings out this distinction, although the 144,000 are merely a microcosm of redeemed and restored Israel.

Replacement Theology has done a lot of damage by confusing and confounding the Church and Israel. So the best way to understand this is that the Church (the Body of Christ with both redeemed Jews and Gentiles) is on earth from Pentecost until the Resurrection/Rapture. That also means that there is a numerical limit to the number of Gentiles which will be within the Church (Rom 11:25). During that time the Jews will generally be in unbelief because they have been judicially blinded by God. But many Jews are being saved today, and they try to segregate themselves as Messianic Jews. But they are in fact a part of the Church.

Keraz · Sep 26, 2020

kcnalp said:
The Church is not Israel.

The Christian Church is not the Jewish State of Israel.
But every true Christian is an Israelite of God, Galatians 6:14-16, and the apostate and Jesus rejecting Jews belong to Satan. Rev 2:9

kcnalp · Sep 26, 2020

Keraz said:
The Christian Church is not the Jewish State of Israel.
But every true Christian is an Israelite of God, Galatians 6:14-16, and the apostate and Jesus rejecting Jews belong to Satan. Rev 2:9

Guess where Jesus will return. Israel!

Zechariah 14:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

Keraz · Sep 26, 2020

kcnalp said:
Guess where Jesus will return. Israel!

Yes, but the Jewish State of Israel will not be there by then. Isaiah 22:1-14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Romans 9:27

kcnalp · Sep 27, 2020

Keraz said:
Yes, but the Jewish State of Israel will not be there by then. Isaiah 22:1-14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Romans 9:27

Why don't you quote the Scriptures you cited? Trying to usurp Israel is a very dangerous thing!

Keraz · Sep 27, 2020

kcnalp said:
Why don't you quote the Scriptures you cited? Trying to usurp Israel is a very dangerous thing!

If I typed out every scripture, it would make the post too long. Better to click on them and read them on the link. Or open your own Bible for a change.

Dangerous to who? Not to me, but maybe to your beliefs!
Believing that the Jewish State of Israel is God's favored people, is gross error and a blindness about their actions and what the Bible says about their fate.

kcnalp · Sep 27, 2020

Keraz said:
If I typed out every scripture, it would make the post too long. Better to click on them and read them on the link.

So it's not important enough for you to "type out" the Scriptures. I nearly always post the Scriptures I refer to.

Or open your own Bible for a change.

What is that supposed to mean?

Dangerous to who? Not to me, but maybe to your beliefs!
Believing that the Jewish State of Israel is God's favored people, is gross error and a blindness about their actions and what the Bible says about their fate.

The Bible is about Israel, not about you. Israel is back to stay whether you like it or not.

Amos 9:14-15 (NKJV)
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. 15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

I suggest you take note:
Genesis 12:3 (NKJV)
3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you;

You don't want to bring the curse on you and yours!

Truman · Sep 27, 2020

Keraz said:
Ron, since Jesus came and offered Salvation to all who will accept it, ethnicity or ancestry is of no consequence to us. Ephesians 2:11-18
However; God does have a secret, He has kept His eyes on the House of Israel, Amos 9:8-9, and He sent Jesus to save them. Matthew 15:24

It follows therefore, that the Christians are the Israelites of God and all the Promises of God to Israel are ours, through Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:20

I don't believe that Christianity replaces Israel and inherits God's promises. I believe Christianity inherits the promises of God because they are Israel. I agree that spiritually, we are all one in Christ.
Physically, I believe God has made us the body and 12-tribed Israel. Scripture indicates that 12,000 will be taken from each tribe by God. He will cause them to wash their robes in the Blood of the Lamb. I believe many of these are on the earth right now, washing their robes in the Blood of the Lamb. "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." Revelation 22:14 NIV
"It had a great, high wall with 12 gates, and with 12 angels at the gates. on the gates were written the names of the 12 tribes of Israel." Revelation 21:12 NIV
I will go as far as to say that much of Israel will be in Christ, but 12,000 picked by Yeshua will not only be in Christ, but Christ will also dwell in them. He does this by causing them to walk out their sanctification, aka, wash their robes in the Blood of the Lamb. This is the result of denying self, taking up their cross daily, and following Jesus.
Yahweh has told me that I'm a Levite. For an example of how He's used me, I used to lead our fellowship into His presence. And did not get in the middle of Him and His people. I in no way want to replace Jesus. He's my savior. He's my King. He's my big brother, and He's my best friend. Not to mention that He's my God.
In ancient Israel, Gentiles were permitted to join them. This was a foreshadowing of the better covenant to come. Today, anyone can join the church via Jesus. The old gave birth to the new, aka, the new birth. From this perspective, Israel the old covenant is our mother.
Even the grafted-in Gentiles had to repeatedly offer sacrifices for their sin under the Mosaic covenant. Today, a Gentile need only trust in the one-time atonement of Jesus. Just like anyone else. And we are all given the promised Holy Spirit.
The New Jerusalem will come down to earth, decked out like a bride. This is true. The Lord gave me a vision of it descending. It was all white and frilly, like a bride. "I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband." Revelation 21:3 NIV Blessings.

kcnalp · Sep 27, 2020

Amos 9:14-15 (NKJV)
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. 15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Luke 21:32 (NKJV)
32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Truman · Sep 27, 2020

In every instance one can think of, without Israel there would be no church. I've learned through my travels online that there is very much still a wall of hostility and suspicion between Judah and the church. And it's on both sides.
There are still Jews that hate Christians and there are still Christians who hate Jews. Hate is a very evil thing. Hating evil is about the only exception I can think of.
I recently heard Yair Davidiy say that orthodox Jews do NOT believe as Christians do. Then he said that what Jews and Christians believe are almost identical. Maybe it's not that these Jews believe something different than Christians but just not as far as we believe.
Jesus said that He only came for the lost sheep of the House of Israel. The first time He came. I was shocked when I first realized this. I didn't see it before because my main bible read is the NIV, and it excludes "The house of" and only said Israel. Most translations include the house of.
More Jews have come to Yeshua (Jesus) in the past 20 years than in the past 2000. When Israel became a nation in 1948, there were 30 Messianic Jews in the country. Today there are 30,000. The gospel is being preached in the streets of Jerusalem and Jews are being saved by Christ.
I've told this story of this Jewish revival that is happening as we speak but so far I've seen little interest. Why is this? If interested, a good place for Jewish testamonies is on YouTube at, "One For Israel." There is also a harvest of Arabs.
I was so blessed to see saved Jews and Arabs loving each other. I've seen identical gropus of believers loving each other many times, it's just that who I saw were at my local churches. It's exactly the same thing here AND there. It's not us and them; it's us. We are all God's children in Yeshua/Jesus. Period. Shalom and Jesus bless you! Amen.

Keraz · Sep 27, 2020

kcnalp said:
So it's not important enough for you to "type out" the Scriptures. I nearly always post the Scriptures I refer to.

If you looked at my writings you would see the I do write out the scriptures that I promote. Sometimes the whole chapter.

kcnalp said:
The Bible is about Israel, not about you. Israel is back to stay whether you like it or not.

The Bible is about the people of God. Jewish Israel had a part to play, but now they face punishment and it will be all the Christian peoples from every race, nation and language, who will occupy all of the holy Land. Psalms 37:29
In no way do I curse the Jews. They cursed themselves. Matthew 27:25

Ron Coates said:
I don't believe that Christianity replaces Israel and inherits God's promises. I believe Christianity inherits the promises of God because they are Israel. I agree that spiritually, we are all one in Christ.
Physically, I believe God has made us the body and 12-tribed Israel

This is correct. We Christians are the Israelites of God. For now; Spiritually.
The Christian peoples are mainly comprised from the 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel. Proved by how Jesus came to save them. Matthew 15:24 He was successful in His mission!

kcnalp said:
Amos 9:14-15 (NKJV)
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. 15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

This prophecy does not apply to the Jewish return to a small part of the holy Land, in 1948. Proved by how the Lord will pluck Judah out from there. Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 22:1-14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Zephaniah 1:1-18

kcnalp said:
32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

WE are the generation who will see it all. It is our privilege to be alive at this critical time in human history. Be ready to stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lord for His protection thru it all.

Ron Coates said:
I recently heard Yair Davidiy say that orthodox Jews do NOT believe as Christians do. Then he said that what Jews and Christians believe are almost identical. Maybe it's not that these Jews believe something different than Christians but just not as far as we believe.

The ONLY way to the Father God, is thru Jesus.
I have attended a Judaism service, in the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem. Their worship is by rote, without any repentance and they continue to reject Jesus. .
Many prophesies tell us how all the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
It will happen and God will have His true faithful people living there. Romans 9:24-26 ...in the very place [the holy Land] they [ethnic Israel] were told they were not My people: You [every born again Christian] will be called the children of the Living God.

Truman · Sep 27, 2020

Keraz said:
If you looked at my writings you would see the I do write out the scriptures that I promote. Sometimes the whole chapter.

The Bible is about the people of God. Jewish Israel had a part to play, but now they face punishment and it will be all the Christian peoples from every race, nation and language, who will occupy all of the holy Land. Psalms 37:29
In no way do I curse the Jews. They cursed themselves. Matthew 27:25

This is correct. We Christians are the Israelites of God. For now; Spiritually.
The Christian peoples are mainly comprised from the 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel. Proved by how Jesus came to save them. Matthew 15:24 He was successful in His mission!

This prophecy does not apply to the Jewish return to a small part of the holy Land, in 1948. Proved by how the Lord will pluck Judah out from there. Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 22:1-14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Zephaniah 1:1-18

WE are the generation who will see it all. It is our privilege to be alive at this critical time in human history. Be ready to stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lord for His protection thru it all.

The ONLY way to the Father God, is thru Jesus.
I have attended a Judaism service, in the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem. Their worship is by rote, without any repentance and they continue to reject Jesus. .
Many prophesies tell us how all the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
It will happen and God will have His true faithful people living there. Romans 9:24-26 ...in the very place [the holy Land] they [ethnic Israel] were told they were not My people: You [every born again Christian] will be called the children of the Living God.

When Judah rejected their Messiah, their faith became a false religion. Nobody will ever be saved by trying to obey 613 laws. This is why Yeshua had to come. He's the Only One who's ever fulfilled them perfectly. I don't reject the Jews, I reject their dead religion.
Through the ongoing death and resurrection process (Jesus died once), aka, taking up my cross daily, I respond with Godly sorrow to sin He has shown me, which leads to life, I confess it to Him, I repent for it with the Holy Spirit's power, turning me back to Father God 180%, I thank Jesus for forgiving me and cleansing me from all unrighteousness, and then I nail the sin to my cross. If need be, I expel the enemy.
True discipleship should result in people doing greater works than Jesus did. True apostles and prophets will lay good foundations in believers. Though there are these ministries in the church, I believe the harvest wave will bring all giftings to a new level. We will need it for what lies ahead. Shalom.
I'm not talking about like the original disciples of Christ, who wrote the New Testament and have 12 thrones in heaven.
This is a window into the process that God put me through when He worked His word in me like this. Blessings.

Bobby Jo · Sep 27, 2020

Ron Coates said:
... I don't reject the Jews, I reject their dead religion. ...

It ain't "dead", it's simply INCOMPLETE. And the Jews WILL "COMPLETE" their religion before Jesus Returns. -- That's why a Jew who's converted to Christianity is called a COMPLETED JEW!

Conversely, the uninformed/misinformed insist on a FALSE Replacement Theology.
Bobby Jo

Truman · Sep 27, 2020

kcnalp said:
The Church is not Israel.

The true body of Christ is made up of those not descended from Israel, though they are just as valid a part of God's congregation (I don't like the false word church). It is pregnant with descendants of the House of Israel. Which is exactly where God has put them. One thing I believe that will be dealt with during the coming giant tsunami-wave move of God will be what I call, "traditional ritualistic churchianity," aka dead religion.
I believe that God has shown me that the church is like a coral reef. The life is found, for the most part, in the leading edge of the new coral. Everything that it rests on is dead.
God never called Himself, "I was," but, "I Am." It is true that we stand on the shoulders of those who went before us; however, most of them are dead. We can learn some things from them, "a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." However, we are to mature and be led as sheep who follow the voice of their master.
Sometimes God will shake up our interpretation of scripture. Did He not say that He would once again shake the heavens and the earth so that only what is of Him will remain? Shalom.

Bobby Jo · Sep 27, 2020

Ron Coates said:
The true body of Christ is made up of those not descended from Israel ...

Not "DESCENDED", but "GRAFTED". -- And the "GRAFT" is NOT THE VINE.

Silly People arguing their false doctrines.
Bobby Jo

Truman · Sep 27, 2020

Bobby Jo said:
It ain't "dead", it's simply INCOMPLETE. And the Jews WILL "COMPLETE" their religion before Jesus Returns. -- That's why a Jew who's converted to Christianity is called a COMPLETED JEW!

Conversely, the uninformed/misinformed insist on a FALSE Replacement Theology.
Bobby Jo

Hi, Bobby Jo. Life will return to the Jews when they accept Jesus as their Mashiach. Which, praise the Lord, is happening as we speak. More natural Jews have come to Christ in the past 20 years than in the 2,000 years prior to this. I am so thankful that I've lived to see this. Before, I never thought I would.
I recently wrote that maybe Jews don't believe wrong things, they just haven't come as far as us. Physical Israel gave birth to Christianity. There are two covenants, the old and the new. You can't have one without the other.
Since I've finished my time apart, I've been here. Just before I did come, God told me that I was about to experience exponential growth, like a bamboo shoot. This has happened. Like bamboo, it takes some time to get to this place. It has happened just like He told me it would.
I like it here. I feel at home. I even feel loved. And respected. Spiritually, I feel like I won the lottery. This is a special place. Thank you Christianity Board members. Shalom.

kcnalp · Sep 27, 2020

Keraz said:
If you looked at my writings you would see the I do write out the scriptures that I promote. Sometimes the whole chapter.

But this isn't important to you.

The Bible is about the people of God. Jewish Israel had a part to play, but now they face punishment and it will be all the Christian peoples from every race, nation and language, who will occupy all of the holy Land. Psalms 37:29
In no way do I curse the Jews. They cursed themselves. Matthew 27:25

You're not Israel. You are trying to usurp Israel.

This is correct. We Christians are the Israelites of God. For now; Spiritually.
The Christian peoples are mainly comprised from the 10 Northern tribes of the House of Israel. Proved by how Jesus came to save them. Matthew 15:24 He was successful in His mission!

You're not Israel.

This prophecy does not apply to the Jewish return to a small part of the holy Land, in 1948. Proved by how the Lord will pluck Judah out from there. Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 22:1-14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Zephaniah 1:1-18

I know who Israel. Even YOUR map shows us. You're not Israel.

WE are the generation who will see it all. It is our privilege to be alive at this critical time in human history. Be ready to stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lord for His protection thru it all.

Yes indeed, Israel is back. But you're not Israel.

The ONLY way to the Father God, is thru Jesus.
I have attended a Judaism service, in the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem. Their worship is by rote, without any repentance and they continue to reject Jesus. .
Many prophesies tell us how all the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
It will happen and God will have His true faithful people living there. Romans 9:24-26 ...in the very place [the holy Land] they [ethnic Israel] were told they were not My people: You [every born again Christian] will be called the children of the Living God.

You're writing Israel off? What if God had written you off? Israel is back to stay and that is where Jesus will return. You're not Israel.

Truman · Sep 27, 2020

Bobby Jo said:
Not "DESCENDED", but "GRAFTED". -- And the "GRAFT" is NOT THE VINE.

Silly People arguing their false doctrines.
Bobby Jo

Let's try a different approach. If God sent you a prophet, would you say that he was silly and that his doctrines were false? Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. Both natural and wild. Remember Paul's warning. You may not be physically descended from Israel though I'm pretty sure you are, spiritually.
After believing I was a Christian for years, God proved to me that I am descended from Levi and He calls me a "Levite. I now call myself a Hebrew Christian.
I'm not trying to get anyone to change their beliefs. Instead, I'm trying to inspire others to deepen what they already believe. I ask people to seek God about it and to hear from Him. Hear from Him yourself and think for yourself. That's what he told me to do. And I have.
Many Christians believe they are Israel. I think God has told them that. But not because they replace Israel, but because they ARE Israel. The House of Israel, that is. Of course, we all come to Father through Jesus/Yeshua. BTW It was the sin of the world that killed Jesus, not the Jews.
2 Kings 17 tells the story in all its shame. But it also includes God's promise to make them as numerous as the sands on a seashore or the stars in the night sky. He said that all nations would be blessed by them and that during the last days, He would wake them up to who they really were.
The prophet Hosea was and is the prophet to the Lost Tribes
The internet is filled with confusion regarding this topic. This is the work of the enemy and carnal man. Trying to make a name for himself.
If you want to learn what the truth really is, check out Zair Davidiy and Brit/Am Hebrew Nations. He's just a man, but I believe that God is using him to gather and disseminate knowledge on this subject.
Jesus said He came only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel. But, as in ancient Israel, anyone can be saved. From every tribe, tongue, and nation.
Lastly, one may ask why God would be concerned about this. He made promises to Abraham and God keeps His promises. And He's a lot smarter than us. Shalom

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