THE NEW COVENANT FOR ISRAEL

justbyfaith said:

The timing is right...to say that it is at the moment of first faith.



At the moment of first faith (John 5:24 (kjv)).



You have compared these scriptures incorrectly; for your conclusion is contrary to the whole of scripture.

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really
At the first moment of faith?
explain these verses


Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

the verses you said refer to entering into salvation after you die, Matt 24:13

theefaith said:

really
At the first moment of faith?
explain these verses


Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

the verses you said refer to entering into salvation after you die, Matt 24:13

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justification and glorification are different aspects of salvation.

The verses above speak of glorification; while John 5:24 (kjv) speaks of justification and the fact that the recipient of the promise "shall not come into condemnation."

justbyfaith said:

justification and glorification are different aspects of salvation.

The verses above speak of glorification; while John 5:24 (kjv) speaks of justification and the fact that the recipient of the promise "shall not come into condemnation."

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you still have free will to reject Christ, Jn 15:1 matt 24:13

eternal life only refers to a state of sanctifying grace which you can lose by sin

no justification is not salvation but a separate doctrine

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ!
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

Sanctification: the life of grace, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love!
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

theefaith said:

All mankind are redeemed in Christ!

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All who are in Christ will be redeemed. Those who are not in Christ will not be.

theefaith said:

a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord!

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No arguments.

If someone truly believes in Christ and has received Him as Saviour and Lord, they have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14, Matthew 10:22); being sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5, Ephesians 4:30).

From the moment of first faith, the one who hears the words of Jesus and believeth on Him who sent Him shall not come into condemnation but has passed from death unto everlasting life (John 5:24 (kjv)).

Mark 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

All are redeemed not all accept it and are justified not all who are justified and sanctified shall be saved

but all are redeemed by the blood of the lamb

Jn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

theefaith said:

All are redeemed not all accept it and are justified not all who are justified and sanctified shall be saved

but all are redeemed by the blood of the lamb

Jn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

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A lot of confusion and contradiction in there.

With regards John 1:29, to take John 1:29 as saying that all men were redeemed is a clear misuse of said passage, as such would contradict scriptures:

Luke 1:67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

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Tong2020 said:

A lot of confusion and contradiction in there.

With regards John 1:29, to take John 1:29 as saying that all men were redeemed is a clear misuse of said passage, as such would contradict scriptures:

Luke 1:67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

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Redeemed does not mean justified or saved.

Jn 3:16 the world universe all

All fell in the original sin of Adam accept Jesus and Mary and those who do not have free will. All are redeemed by Christ!

redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ!
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

Sanctification: the life of grace, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love!
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

theefaith said:

Redeemed does not mean justified or saved.

Jn 3:16 the world universe all

All fell in the original sin of Adam accept Jesus and Mary and those who do not have free will. All are redeemed by Christ!

redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ!
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

Sanctification: the life of grace, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love!
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

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Who is saying that redeemed means justified?

What you ought to do is to tell us what the passage say about Zacharias, who was filled with the Holy Spirit, prophesied with regards whom God redeemed. Does it say that God redeemed all mankind or does it say God redeemed His people, contrary to what you say?

Luke 1:67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

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All people are created and redeemed by God

they are included

if all people are not redeemed then all cannot be justified and all cannot be sanctified and all cannot be saved!
John 3:16 whosoever all!

theefaith said:

All people are created and redeemed by God

they are included

if all people are not redeemed then all cannot be justified and all cannot be sanctified and all cannot be saved!
John 3:16 whosoever all!

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You can say that a million times, but still, it remains for you to tell us what the Luke 1:67 passage say about what Zacharias, who was filled with the Holy Spirit, prophesied with regards whom God redeemed.

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Yes he redeemed them but the fall of Adam applies to all men as does the remedy for the fall the redemption of Jesus Christ the new Adam!

theefaith said:

Yes he redeemed them but the fall of Adam applies to all men as does the remedy for the fall the redemption of Jesus Christ the new Adam!

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The issue is not if He redeemed them or not. The issue is for you to tell us what the Luke 1:67 passage say about what Zacharias, who was filled with the Holy Spirit, prophesied with regards whom God redeemed. Does it say that God redeemed all mankind or does it say God redeemed His people, contrary to what you say?

So, please....

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That’s just one verse

Was Mary was the cause of these blessings to that family, Elizabeth was filled with JTB was sanctified etc. all because of the charity of Mary!

theefaith said:

That’s just one verse

Was Mary was the cause of these blessings to that family, Elizabeth was filled with JTB was sanctified etc. all because of the charity of Mary!

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Yes just one verse. And it takes just this one verse to refute your teaching that God redeemed all mankind. So, if you can't address the issue with Luke 1:67, that settles it then.

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Only jews are redeemed is that what you think?

The Jews were the children and have rejected Christ and He has rejected them! 2 Tim 2:12

The church replaced Israel as the kingdom of God on earth! Matt 21:43

Your “the Jews” or “Israel’s house is a house of desolation, the Jews have the spiritual mark of Cain for killing their brother Jesus and are scattered to nations! Matt 23:39

The Jews killed Christ they the instrument of the Roman governor!
Matt 21:38 acts 2:36 acts 3:13-15

But the nation in the person of the high priest rejected Christ and the nation consented to His death. Jn 18:14 Mk 15:13

And has never ceased blaspheming Christ, and His church!

To defend Christ is to condemn the Jews!

As Jesus said: Matt 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

The church fathers (doctors, bishops, and saints) called the Jewish infidelity a disease, and the synagogue a brothel!

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

and they mustered Christ !

Strong language I know but their blasphemy against Christ is much stronger language!

theefaith said:

Only jews are redeemed is that what you think?

The Jews were the children and have rejected Christ and He has rejected them! 2 Tim 2:12

The church replaced Israel as the kingdom of God on earth! Matt 21:43

Your “the Jews” or “Israel’s house is a house of desolation, the Jews have the spiritual mark of Cain for killing their brother Jesus and are scattered to nations! Matt 23:39

The Jews killed Christ they the instrument of the Roman governor!
Matt 21:38 acts 2:36 acts 3:13-15

But the nation in the person of the high priest rejected Christ and the nation consented to His death. Jn 18:14 Mk 15:13

And has never ceased blaspheming Christ, and His church!

To defend Christ is to condemn the Jews!

As Jesus said: Matt 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

The church fathers (doctors, bishops, and saints) called the Jewish infidelity a disease, and the synagogue a brothel!

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

and they mustered Christ !

Strong language I know but their blasphemy against Christ is much stronger language!

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No. What scriptures says is that God redeemed His people.

Only the Jews are the people of God, is that what you think?

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