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It seems to me "messenger of Satan sent to beat him" could easily refer to people who followed him around, getting him persecuted . . .

But that's just me!

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There were definitely judaizers in that church trying to assassinate his character, primarily his motive towards Gods people.
 

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It seems to me "messenger of Satan sent to beat him" could easily refer to people who followed him around, getting him persecuted . . .

But that's just me!

:)
1 Corinthians 9:3-6 KJV
[3] Mine answer to them that do examine me is this, [4] Have we not power to eat and to drink? [5] Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas? [6] Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
 
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This is a great question. I've been waiting for this to become manifest in the Body of Christ. Jesus made this promise, as well. "Even greater works then these shall ye do." "All things are possible to those who believe." "Nothing shall be impossible to them that believe." I stress the words: 'nothing' and 'all things'. Do you believe this is will occur at a certain point in time? That is not my reading. I believe it indicates that from the time of Jesus' death these miracles will be possible.

Hi Matt,

I believe they became (past tense) possible from the time of Pentecost on, yes. But the church has nowhere fulfilled that commission yet. It will be fulfilled during the end-times, when the greatest outpouring in history occurs. Scripture describes the harvest as the end of the age, and it will not happen by some accident. It will happen because the world will see greater manifestations of the power of the Lord Jesus Christ than at any time in history. Those who think it will happen without it are operating under a delusion, not realizing that it has always been the power of God that confirmed the word and brought in the harvest, and it always will be.
 

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Which ones do you have ?

There are actually three biblical lists of the “gifts of the Spirit,” also known as spiritual gifts. The three main passages describing the spiritual gifts are Romans 12:6–8; 1 Corinthians 12:4–11; and 1 Corinthians 12:28. We could also include Ephesians 4:11, but that is a list of offices within the church, not spiritual gifts, per se. The spiritual gifts identified in Romans 12 are prophesying, serving, teaching, encouraging, giving, leadership, and mercy. The list in 1 Corinthians 12:4–11 includes the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, healing, miraculous powers, prophecy, distinguishing between spirits, speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues. The list in 1 Corinthians 12:28 includes healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. A brief description of each gift follows:

Prophecy – The Greek word translated “prophecy” in both passages properly means “a speaking forth.” According to Thayer’s Greek Lexicon, the word refers to “discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; especially by foretelling future events.” To prophesy is to declare the divine will, to interpret the purposes of God, or to make known in any way the truth of God that is designed to influence people.

Serving – Also referred to as “ministering,” the Greek word diakonian, from which we get the English “deacon,” means service of any kind, the broad application of practical help to those in need.

Teaching – This gift involves the analysis and proclamation of the Word of God, explaining the meaning, context and application to the hearer’s life. The gifted teacher is one who has the unique ability to clearly instruct and communicate knowledge, specifically the doctrines of the faith.

Encouraging – Also called “exhortation,” this gift is evident in those who consistently call upon others to heed and follow God’s truth, which may involve correction or building others up by strengthening weak faith or comforting in trials.

Giving – Gifted givers are those who joyfully share what they have with others, whether it is financial, material, or the giving of personal time and attention. The giver is concerned for the needs of others and seeks opportunities to share goods, money, and time with them as needs arise.

Leadership – The gifted leader is one who rules, presides over, or has the management of other people in the church. The word literally means “guide” and carries with it the idea of one who steers a ship. One with the gift of leadership rules with wisdom and grace and exhibits the fruit of the Spirit in his life as he leads by example.

Mercy – Closely linked with the gift of encouragement, the gift of mercy is obvious in those who are compassionate toward others who are in distress, showing sympathy and sensitivity coupled with a desire and the resources to lessen their suffering in a kind and cheerful manner.

Word of wisdom – The fact that this gift is described as the “word” of wisdom indicates that it is one of the speaking gifts. This gift describes someone who can understand and speak forth biblical truth in such a way as to skillfully apply it to life situations with all discernment.

Word of knowledge – This is another speaking gift that involves understanding truth with an insight that only comes by revelation from God. Those with the gift of knowledge understand the deep things of God and the mysteries of His Word.

Faith – All believers possess faith in some measure because it is one of the gifts of the Spirit bestowed on all who come to Christ in faith (Galatians 5:22-23). The spiritual gift of faith is exhibited by one with a strong and unshakeable confidence in God, His Word, His promises, and the power of prayer to effect miracles.

Healing – Although God does still heal today, the ability of men to produce miraculous healings belonged to the apostles of the first century church to affirm that their message was from God. Christians today do not have the power to heal the sick or resurrect the dead. If they did, the hospitals and morgues would be full of these “gifted” people emptying beds and coffins everywhere.

Miraculous powers – Also known as the working of miracles, this is another temporary sign gift which involved performing supernatural events that could only be attributed to the power of God (Acts 2:22). This gift was exhibited by Paul (Acts 19:11-12), Peter (Acts 3:6), Stephen (Acts 6:8), and Phillip (Acts 8:6-7), among others.

Distinguishing (discerning) of spirits – Certain individuals possess the unique ability to determine the true message of God from that of the deceiver, Satan, whose methods include purveying deceptive and erroneous doctrine. Jesus said many would come in His name and would deceive many (Matthew 24:4-5), but the gift of discerning spirits is given to the Church to protect it from such as these.

Speaking in tongues – The gift of tongues is one of the temporary “sign gifts” given to the early Church to enable the gospel to be preached throughout the world to all nations and in all known languages. It involved the divine ability to speak in languages previously unknown to the speaker. This gift authenticated the message of the gospel and those who preached it as coming from God. The phrase “diversity of tongues” (KJV) or “different kinds of tongues” (NIV) effectively eliminates the idea of a “personal prayer language” as a spiritual gift.

Interpretation of tongues – A person with the gift of interpreting tongues could understand what a tongues-speaker was saying even though he did not know the language that was being spoken. The tongues interpreter would then communicate the message of the tongues speaker to everyone else, so all could understand.

Helps – Closely related to the gift of mercy is the gift of helps. Those with the gift of helps are those who can aid or render assistance to others in the church with compassion and grace. This has a broad range of possibilities for application. Most importantly, this is the unique ability to identify those who are struggling with doubt, fears, and other spiritual battles; to move toward those in spiritual need with a kind word, an understanding and compassionate demeanor; and to speak scriptural truth that is both convicting and loving.Is there a biblical spiritual gifts list? | GotQuestions.org

hope this helps !!!
Very well done!

Might I also include this:
1 Cor. 12[11] But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing [distributing] to every [each] man severally [separately] as he will.
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
 
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Very well done!

Might I also include this:
1 Cor. 12[11] But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing [distributing] to every [each] man severally [separately] as he will.
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
Indeed its the Spirit who distributes the gifts as He wills. Amen !
 

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That is indeed just you. No one was following Paul around to persecute him. He met persecution afresh wherever he traveled.
Well . . .

There were these . . .

Acts 14:19 "And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead."

And there were these . . .

Acts 17:13 "But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people."

Much love!
 
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Hi Matt,

I believe they became (past tense) possible from the time of Pentecost on, yes. But the church has nowhere fulfilled that commission yet. It will be fulfilled during the end-times, when the greatest outpouring in history occurs. Scripture describes the harvest as the end of the age, and it will not happen by some accident. It will happen because the world will see greater manifestations of the power of the Lord Jesus Christ than at any time in history. Those who think it will happen without it are operating under a delusion, not realizing that it has always been the power of God that confirmed the word and brought in the harvest, and it always will be.
I noticed that you didn't provide and scripture to support your stand.
I believe that you are missing a few key scriptures that should change your view point. Luke 18:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:3;
2 Peter 3:3-4.
 
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I noticed that you didn't provide and scripture to support your stand.
I believe that you are missing a few key scriptures that should change your view point. Luke 18:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:3;
2 Peter 3:3-4.
good passages !
 

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I noticed that you didn't provide and scripture to support your stand.
I believe that you are missing a few key scriptures that should change your view point. Luke 18:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:3;
2 Peter 3:3-4.

@Christophany. Thanks for responding to his post. I forgot to respond to him. God bless, and hope you are having a good morning.

@Earburner. My time for forum involvement is limited atm, so I won't have time for back and forth, but let me address Luke 18:8. The apostasy in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 refers to what will happen in Israel amongst the Jews, and 2 Peter 3:3-4 will indeed be fulfilled, but neither passage negates the fact that the power of God will again be in manifestation.

Btw, if you do a search on phrases like "and His fame spread abroad" in scripture you will find that it was the miracles of Jesus which drew attention to Him, and there are similar scriptures regarding the spreading of the gospel by the apostles. But maybe I'll have time to quote passages for you down the road if you can't find what I'm referring to.

But let's deal with Luke. The full context is as follows:

And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. Remember Lot’s wife. Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.” And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” Then He spoke a parable to them, that men always ought to pray and not lose heart, saying: “There was in a certain city a judge who did not fear God nor regard man. Now there was a widow in that city; and she came to him, saying, ‘Get justice for me from my adversary.’ And he would not for a while; but afterward he said within himself, ‘Though I do not fear God nor regard man, yet because this widow troubles me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.’ ” Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” (Luke 17:26-37, Luke 18:1-8)

Now, the larger context is enduring sufferings and opposition from sinners, and pleading for the Lord to bring justice against them. This is why the stories of Noah's flood and Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction are mentioned. Both were examples of God delivering His people out while bringing justice upon their adversaries.

This is what He then encourages them to pray about and not lose faith regarding. They will likewise receive justice against their adversaries at His return, and will be "avenged" if they are persistent in prayer to God for it. However, the implication is that they must be or their prayers will not be heard; the Judge will not comply with their request (at least on their behalf anyway) unless they are persistent. As verse 7 reads, God will avenge His own elect if they cry out to Him day and night, though it is suggested that He will "bear long with them" meaning that His justice will not come right away. So the teaching here is this: They need to stay in faith that justice is coming even if it takes a very long time before that justice comes, and this is all the more relevant seeing as how the Lord did not actually return in their lifetimes like they thought He would. We too must stay in faith that justice is coming against our adversaries even if it takes a very long time before that justice comes, because we too may live out our full lives and go on to be with God before His return. So the statement, "When the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?,” when taken in context, is a rhetorical question. If there were no faith in the earth He would have no one to return for. It is an exhortation to the disciples to do just as He was teaching them in the parable: That "men ought always to pray and not lose heart," and to "hear what the unjust judge said." It is an exhortation to stay in faith that His judgment and deliverance is coming, no matter how long it might take. If this were a doctrinal statement to the effect that there would be no faith on earth when He comes, the entire teaching would be irrelevant.

Anyway, if I can, I will try and find those passages for you on His miracles being the thing that caused His fame to spread.

God bless,
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@Christophany. Thanks for responding to his post. I forgot to respond to him. God bless, and hope you are having a good morning.

@Earburner. My time for forum involvement is limited atm, so I won't have time for back and forth, but let me address Luke 18:8. The apostasy in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 refers to what will happen in Israel amongst the Jews, and 2 Peter 3:3-4 will indeed be fulfilled, but neither passage negates the fact that the power of God will again be in manifestation.

Btw, if you do a search on phrases like "and His fame spread abroad" in scripture you will find that it was the miracles of Jesus which drew attention to Him, and there are similar scriptures regarding the spreading of the gospel by the apostles. But maybe I'll have time to quote passages for you down the road if you can't find what I'm referring to.

But let's deal with Luke. The full context is as follows:

And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. Remember Lot’s wife. Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.” And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” Then He spoke a parable to them, that men always ought to pray and not lose heart, saying: “There was in a certain city a judge who did not fear God nor regard man. Now there was a widow in that city; and she came to him, saying, ‘Get justice for me from my adversary.’ And he would not for a while; but afterward he said within himself, ‘Though I do not fear God nor regard man, yet because this widow troubles me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.’ ” Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” (Luke 17:26-37, Luke 18:1-8)

Now, the larger context is enduring sufferings and opposition from sinners, and pleading for the Lord to bring justice against them. This is why the stories of Noah's flood and Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction are mentioned. Both were examples of God delivering His people out while bringing justice upon their adversaries.

This is what He then encourages them to pray about and not lose faith regarding. They will likewise receive justice against their adversaries at His return, and will be "avenged" if they are persistent in prayer to God for it. However, the implication is that they must be or their prayers will not be heard; the Judge will not comply with their request (at least on their behalf anyway) unless they are persistent. As verse 7 reads, God will avenge His own elect if they cry out to Him day and night, though it is suggested that He will "bear long with them" meaning that His justice will not come right away. So the teaching here is this: They need to stay in faith that justice is coming even if it takes a very long time before that justice comes, and this is all the more relevant seeing as how the Lord did not actually return in their lifetimes like they thought He would. We too must stay in faith that justice is coming against our adversaries even if it takes a very long time before that justice comes, because we too may live out our full lives and go on to be with God before His return. So the statement, "When the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?,” when taken in context, is a rhetorical question. If there were no faith in the earth He would have no one to return for. It is an exhortation to the disciples to do just as He was teaching them in the parable: That "men ought always to pray and not lose heart," and to "hear what the unjust judge said." It is an exhortation to stay in faith that His judgment and deliverance is coming, no matter how long it might take. If this were a doctrinal statement to the effect that there would be no faith on earth when He comes, the entire teaching would be irrelevant.

Anyway, if I can, I will try and find those passages for you on His miracles being the thing that caused His fame to spread.

God bless,
Hidden
Apparently the scriptures I posted, didn't rock your boat!

When the Lord returns in flaming fire
KJV- (2 Thessalonians 1:7-10), the *first event is the resurrection of all His people!

Because His people were already previously "sealed (saved) unto that day of redemption", in that moment, Jesus WON'T be looking for faith in them!
His reason FOR His return, is because NO OTHERS will have faith to "believe that God IS." (Hebrews 11:6), and therefore, because they don't, they CAN'T come to repentance, in order that they might be saved!
No repentance towards God through Jesus, means NO salvation, period!

That brings us to the **second event, which will simultaneously occur with the *first event.
Give due diligence to understand the word "when", in 2 Thessalonians 1:7 and 10

Notes:
*All the Saints (those who had previously died, and then we who are alive and are waiting), shall be instantly changed into the immortal likeness of Christ, and shall ascend to meet Him in the air, and then shall we ever be with the Lord.
**All the wicked, both dead and alive, shall be destroyed by Christ's Everlasting, and all consuming flaming fire, of which by the way is the origin of the Lake of Fire, flooding over the entire land mass of the earth, in which are the graves of all the unsaved dead!
 

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IOWS, it is not God that ends His Age of Grace, but rather it is man who closes the Door on God's free gift of salvation!
How so?
By the MoB!!
There will be only two types of people in the world at that time. Those who don't take the mark, and those who do!

Its the separation of the sheep from the goats.
Those who take the MoB, will have sealed their own fate against the offer of God's salvation, having never forgiveness!

Those who don't take the mark,
will be those who through faith in Christ, were already sealed by God's Holy Spirit beforehand.
 

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I don't need my boat rocked as my faith is in the ROCK of all Ages. I'm signed, sealed and delivered from the kingdom of darkness into His Glorious Light. The Holy Spirit living in me is down-payment of my inheritance, its a guarantee.
 
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