@Spurgeon's Girl What a tremendous chapter, Romans 8! my mind seems to keep going back to it again and again...
How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!
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Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 is a conditional promise.
The promise is the Holy Ghost, who is absolutely promised if you fulfill the condition:
That you repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
The Holy Ghost is also promised (perhaps less absolutely) with the condition of merely asking (Luke 11:9-13).
The promise is the Holy Ghost, who is absolutely promised if you fulfill the condition:
That you repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
The Holy Ghost is also promised (perhaps less absolutely) with the condition of merely asking (Luke 11:9-13).
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
amigo de christo
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Correct you are my dear sister .
Most would say , oh lets just have unity and not worry over such doctrines .
But that aint what paul said .
and it is not what jude said , nor others .
mark those who teach things contary to the doctrine you have learned . MARK and AVOID THEM .
As jude said , CONTEND for the TRUE FAITH . Decievers and many have infiltrated chistendom .
And the true ones must take a stand and oppose that which is contrary to sound doctrine .
Throughout the age since JESUS first left the faithful lambs have always done battle to contend for the truth .
When JESUS told peter to FEED MY SHEEP , Peter FED those sheep with pure biblical doctrine .
Sadly today when the call FEED my sheep is sounded , they are feeding the sheep all right , RIGHT TO ROME , RIGHT TO the wolves
RIGHT unity with bad false doctrine . That aint feeding the sheep and it sure aint what JESUS meant .
We must all make our last stand now . Everyone who has learned Christ , the BIBLICAL ONE
and the doctrine according to godliness must make our last stand now .
I have watched this stuff take over churches and sites . And if folks do not contend for the truth , it will take this site too .
Even now there are some amongst us who are all out unity all inclusive . WE make our stand now , by speaking biblical truth .
YES they are gonna hammer at some for sticking only to the bible .
But on the LORD , His words , the apostels and their words , the words in that lovely bible , the lambs must stand .
For if we allow men to take and chip away at the bible , to add in doctrines or take away from doctrine
THERE is and will be nothing left to stand on . SEE if we can take away from JESUS sayings
and the truth , THEN it means we NEVER STOOD ON JESUS to begin with . And if we allow
men to downplay the dire importance of scriptures and teach their own stuff as though they the voice of God , we are in for a massive fall .
amigo de christo
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Remember when paul was saying , YE who teach one should not steal , Yet do You STEAL .
YE who claim abortion is evil , DO ye support or fund those who do support it . makes them just as guilty .
Ye who claim ye follow Christ and know the gosple , YEt they teach inclusvism which shuts down the gosple .
I see hyprocrisy big time .
Folks are not seeing the chameleon for who she truly is . She will adapt to any religion
to any faith in order to win that one to her .
All she is doing is creating a mindset to allow her to sit atop all the worlds religions and faiths .
And if we dont think she holds the power , then how come i hear in evangelical rings , baptists , emergents
prosperity , Hey we all basically catholic . AND WHY are all of them pointing us BACK TO ROME .
BECAUSE ROME HOLDS the POWER . and they WORK FOR HER . This is all about a creation
of a mindset which will have even muslims , jews , buddists , baptists , you name it , to be of one mindset .
OH they wont agree with one another on all their doctrines . BUT THEY WILL agree in mind that we aer serving the same GOD
and that His will is for world peace and unity . THIS will in quick time come against
any doctrine that opposes that . AND that means THE ONE TRUE GOSPLE . CAUSE JESUS IS the ONLY NAME whereby one can be saved.
AND they MUST confess HIM by mouth and to believe in him from the heart to be saved .
THIS one true gosple , WILL BE A THORN in the side of this one world all inclusive lets be one religoin .
THAT is why we got some who have also been saying prolestyizing is dangerous and they pump this false inclusive false unity , false love
right into the hearts of the churches .
The path they are on , will have all religoins and faiths within christendom to unite as one under this false love and unity for world peace
AND those who wont , and say , NO JESUS is the ONLY WAY , well what to do with them .........
RID them off the earth . They have no idea they are building a religion and making a world ready for .......not christ but ANTI CHRIST
the BEAST .
Unity at the expense of the truth is an undesirable.
Unity in the truth is commanded by holy scripture (1 Corinthians 1:10, Philippians 1:27, Philippians 2:1-2).
There will be two prevailing religions in the last days (if the church isn't raptured pre-trib):
1) A unified Christianity; and,
2) A unified one-world religion that denies the efficacy of the Cross (perhaps, even, under Rome).
Unity in the truth is commanded by holy scripture (1 Corinthians 1:10, Philippians 1:27, Philippians 2:1-2).
There will be two prevailing religions in the last days (if the church isn't raptured pre-trib):
1) A unified Christianity; and,
2) A unified one-world religion that denies the efficacy of the Cross (perhaps, even, under Rome).
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I agree that unity should be sacrificed if it depends on lies. There are some protestants that I would not join with in any sense of unity. The Cambellites, the liberal wings of the Presbyterian Churches and Lutheranism. The hyper legalistic Baptists, etc. I attend Apologia Church in Tempe, AZ. I used to attend Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, CA. Pastor John MacArthur is a blessing. My husband and I are going to church there next week to show our support for his work
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amigo de christo
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I shall keep this short . THAT IS ONE DANGEROUS WHORE . End of discussion .
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An example prayer for those that have never talked to God!
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen
An example prayer for those that have never talked to God!
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen
How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!
Believe God's eternal living Word and add nothing to it!
Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....................
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An example prayer for those that have never talked to God!
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen
Believe God's eternal living Word and add nothing to it!
Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....................
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An example prayer for those that have never talked to God!
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen
A prayer more likely to save you is:
Dear Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I admit that I am a sinner in need of a Saviour and that You are that Saviour. I call upon Your Name for salvation. Please forgive me of all my sins and come into my heart and be my Lord and Saviour. I confess that You are the Son of God and I receive You as my Lord; I also confess that You are the Lord of all creation and now the Lord of my life. I believe that You died for my sins and rose again the third day. Please fill me with Your Holy Spirit, and I will follow You all the days of my life. In Your Name, Amen.
Galatians 3:22, Matthew 1:21, Romans 10:13, 1 John 1:9, John 1:12, 1 John 4:15, Romans 10:9-12, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 11:9-13, Matthew 5-7.
Dear Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I admit that I am a sinner in need of a Saviour and that You are that Saviour. I call upon Your Name for salvation. Please forgive me of all my sins and come into my heart and be my Lord and Saviour. I confess that You are the Son of God and I receive You as my Lord; I also confess that You are the Lord of all creation and now the Lord of my life. I believe that You died for my sins and rose again the third day. Please fill me with Your Holy Spirit, and I will follow You all the days of my life. In Your Name, Amen.
Galatians 3:22, Matthew 1:21, Romans 10:13, 1 John 1:9, John 1:12, 1 John 4:15, Romans 10:9-12, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 11:9-13, Matthew 5-7.
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Hi,
Ohhhhh......so YOU know when Scripture is being twisted and what is or is not "contrary to the teaching of holy scripture"?
Would you please write a book and enlighten the rest of us Christians about The Truth of Scripture?
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Mmmmmmmm.......we are talking about your statement that "One cannot lose their salvation". !!!
None, zero, zip, nada, nil of the passages you referenced support the 16th century man made theory that one can not loose their salvation.
Church fathers
JUSTIN MARTYR
“As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly . . . are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Except you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]” (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).
TERTULLIAN
“Happy is our sacrament of water, in that, by washing away the sins of our early blindness, we are set free and admitted into eternal life. . . . [But] a viper of the [Gnostic] Cainite heresy, lately conversant in this quarter, has carried away a great number with her most venomous doctrine, making it her first aim to destroy baptism—which is quite in accordance with nature, for vipers and.asps . . . themselves generally do live in arid and waterless places. But we, little fishes after the example of our [Great] Fish, Jesus Christ, are born in water, nor have we safety in any other way than by permanently abiding in water. So that most monstrous creature, who had no right to teach even sound doctrine, knew full well how to kill the little fishes—by taking them away from the water!” (Baptism 1 [A.D. 203]).
“Without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (ibid., 12).
ORIGEN
“It is not possible to receive forgiveness of sins without baptism” (Exhortation to the Martyrs 30 [A.D. 235]).
CYRIL OF JERUSALEM
“If any man does not receive baptism, he does not have salvation.
St. AUGUSTINE
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).
POPE LEO I
“And because of the transgression of the first man, the whole stock of the human race was tainted; no one can be set free from the state of the old Adam save through Christ’s sacrament of baptism, in which there are no distinctions between the reborn, as the apostle [Paul] says, ‘For as many of you as were baptized in Christ did put on Christ; there is neither Jew nor Greek . . . ‘ [Gal. 3:27–28]” (Letters 15:10[11] [A.D. 445]).
FULGENTIUS OF RUSPE
“From that time at which our Savior said, ‘If anyone is not reborn of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5], no one can, without the sacrament of baptism, except those who, in the Catholic Church, without baptism, pour out their blood for Christ, receive the kingdom of heaven and life eternal” (The Rule of Faith 43 [A.D. 524]).
JUSTIN MARTYR
“As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly . . . are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Except you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]” (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).
TERTULLIAN
“Happy is our sacrament of water, in that, by washing away the sins of our early blindness, we are set free and admitted into eternal life. . . . [But] a viper of the [Gnostic] Cainite heresy, lately conversant in this quarter, has carried away a great number with her most venomous doctrine, making it her first aim to destroy baptism—which is quite in accordance with nature, for vipers and.asps . . . themselves generally do live in arid and waterless places. But we, little fishes after the example of our [Great] Fish, Jesus Christ, are born in water, nor have we safety in any other way than by permanently abiding in water. So that most monstrous creature, who had no right to teach even sound doctrine, knew full well how to kill the little fishes—by taking them away from the water!” (Baptism 1 [A.D. 203]).
“Without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (ibid., 12).
ORIGEN
“It is not possible to receive forgiveness of sins without baptism” (Exhortation to the Martyrs 30 [A.D. 235]).
CYRIL OF JERUSALEM
“If any man does not receive baptism, he does not have salvation.
St. AUGUSTINE
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).
POPE LEO I
“And because of the transgression of the first man, the whole stock of the human race was tainted; no one can be set free from the state of the old Adam save through Christ’s sacrament of baptism, in which there are no distinctions between the reborn, as the apostle [Paul] says, ‘For as many of you as were baptized in Christ did put on Christ; there is neither Jew nor Greek . . . ‘ [Gal. 3:27–28]” (Letters 15:10[11] [A.D. 445]).
FULGENTIUS OF RUSPE
“From that time at which our Savior said, ‘If anyone is not reborn of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5], no one can, without the sacrament of baptism, except those who, in the Catholic Church, without baptism, pour out their blood for Christ, receive the kingdom of heaven and life eternal” (The Rule of Faith 43 [A.D. 524]).
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When you say you didn't "use verse 24 because it does not change what was said in verse 25"!!! You didn't use vs 24 because it destroys you interpretation of vs 25....that is twisting Scripture!!!
I previously mentioned how you twisted the words of Paul about himself in 2 Timothy 4 into being about ALL CHRISTIANS.
The John 10 passage about His sheep never perishing at NO POINT says that we are guaranteed eternal salvation unless you twist it.
Philippians 1 that you quoted talks about praying for people to which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. HOW do you twist that prayer into guaranteed salvation???
Mary
Becoming a Disciple by baptism!
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
(Born again by baptism)
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit.
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark none were saved, outside the church none are saved)
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
(Born again by baptism)
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit.
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark none were saved, outside the church none are saved)
Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”
John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)
John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)
John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)
John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.
Born again means Baptism!
John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)
John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)
John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)
John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)
John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.
Born again means Baptism!
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