SONS OF GOD, WHO ARE THEY?

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There is the creation of mankind and a forming of Adam and Eve.
Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Adam was the son of God, so Adam's male children would also be the grand sons of God.
Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Daughters of men were of those created in Gen 1.

There were no marriage of brothers and sisters!
The race was pure at Creation and the breakdown of the genetic code was gradual; it didn't happen overnight. We can see this in the life spans of the early Fathers.
Marrying your sister was the only option as there was no dysfunctional throwback initially.

Introducing an other than human factor into the equation for the population of the earth throws a wobbly into humanity that cannot be reconciled in the scripture. It would mean that some aren't human which might I add has been and probably still is the grounds for much of the oppression the planet's inhabitants have seen.
 

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The race was pure at Creation and the breakdown of the genetic code was gradual; it didn't happen overnight. We can see this in the life spans of the early Fathers.
Marrying your sister was the only option as there was no dysfunctional throwback initially.

Introducing an other than human factor into the equation for the population of the earth throws a wobbly into humanity that cannot be reconciled in the scripture. It would mean that some aren't human which might I add has been and probably still is the grounds for much of the oppression the planet's inhabitants have seen.
Is the bible full of lies?
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Created them and told them to replenish the Earth.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Formed man only from the earth. Later he formed woman from Adam's bone and set them in a garden.

Which one is the truth? Gen 1 or Gen 2?

If you can't say both with explanation on how they agree, then one has to be a lie in your mind.
 
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There are sooooo many places in the Bible where angels are called "men."
Calling angels men is not the same thing as calling humans angels. Angels were created on day 4. The sons of God in God's image were created on day 6. Eve was not created on day 6. Eve was taken out of Adam, 1000 years later. Eve came after Adam was placed in the Garden and named the animals. The Garden of Eden was created 1000 years after the 6th day.

What fallen angels do is a totally separate condition because of Satan's rebellion. But they cannot do to humans more than God allows, nor what humans allow them to do. If humans involve themselves in the occult, and involve innocent children, God is not going to stop it from happening. God did not stop Adam from being disobedient, which led to all of Adam's descendants being in sin and the punishment of spiritual and physical death. God warns us humans to leave Satan and sin alone. We do not listen to God. Thus we suffer the consequences.
 

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Wow, there's so much twisting and adding to scripture here...
 

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Is the bible full of lies?
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Created them and told them to replenish the Earth.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Formed man only from the earth. Later he formed woman from Adam's bone and set them in a garden.

Which one is the truth? Gen 1 or Gen 2?

If you can't say both with explanation on how they agree, then one has to be a lie in your mind.
Not at all....information added or omitted at a later stage does not qualify either account as not true.
 
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Not at all....information added or omitted at a later stage does not qualify either account as not true.
Here is the truth:

God spoke to the angels and said:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
He didn't just make a man and a woman, He created many people with different features, different color and different height and each group went into all the earth. In other words the different races that were created went into different parts of the world. Evolution was not involved in doing this, it was God and the angels that did it.

In Gen 2, God alone formed Adam and Eve. Adam was his only son. Therefore the children of Adam and Eve were the children of God. When the bible speaks of the son's of God, it is speaking of these people. All of the Old Testament is about them.
 

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The angels that chose to go with Lucifer left their first estate, as I figure it.

Anyway I think I can show you it was Adam that was the son of God.
Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

If Adam was the son of God, then Adam's boys would be grandsons of God, right?

Now we look at this scripture:
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Son's of God, Adam and his sons, came to present themselves and Satan just came along.


Now this is what I want to point out
Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
The 'sons of God' saw the 'daughters of men'
Sons of God saw the daughters of men, not daughters of God. Do you see it?


The sons of God would have seen their sisters every day, it is saying they saw these daughters of men and were fair and they took them wives.

Sons of God, Adam and his sons.
Daughters of men, those would be daughters of mankind created in Gen 1.


Two creations, Gen 1(mankind) and Gen 2(Adam, son of God)

I disagree Adam was a “son of God” (Lu 3:38), his relationship to God was that of a son to a father, and he should have obeyed accordingly. Additionally, God created in man an innate desire to render worship. This desire, if perverted, would take man in the wrong direction and would destroy his freedom, bringing him into bondage to what was created instead of to the Creator. This, in turn, would result in man’s degradation.

A rebellious spirit son of God caused Adam’s wife Eve to sin, and she placed the temptation before Adam, who deliberately entered into rebellion against Jehovah. (Ge 3:1-6; 1Ti 2:13, 14) They became like those whom Paul later described in Romans 1:20-23. By his transgression Adam lost his sonship and perfection and he introduced sin, with imperfection and death, to his offspring, the entire human race. Even at birth, they were in the image of their father Adam, imperfect, with death working in their bodies.—Ge 3:17-19; Ro 5:12; so these Sons of God at Genesis 6:2 were not Adam and his sons.
 
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Many people say that the sons of God are angels, is that right or wrong?

SONS OF GOD, WHO ARE THEY?
OP ^

They WHO- "were" CREATED and "MADE" "holy", and "kept" their holiness.
^- "Celestial Beings"-^

They WHO- "were" CREATED and MADE, "good", ---- Fell from "their" goodness.
• Were, Offered a WAY to Become "MADE"
"perfected IN Gods "HOLINESS";
• AND
• They "WHO" Accepted" Gods Offering.
^- Terrestrial Beings-^

1 Cor 15:
[40] There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

The glory of a celestial being is "Keeping" his "holiness".

The glory of a terrestrial is "becoming Made" "holy".

Celestials "Keeping their Place" in Gods Household and Terrestrials "Entering" Gods Household...
ARE "sons" of the Father,
WHO is God, WHO is the Head of His Household.

"House"- Gods Estate.
"hold"- Powered by God to "Keep"...
(The willing...Celestials and Terrestrials).

Glory to God,
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I disagree Adam was a “son of God” (Lu 3:38), his relationship to God was that of a son to a father, and he should have obeyed accordingly.

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:

 

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Here is the truth:

God spoke to the angels and said:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
He didn't just make a man and a woman, He created many people with different features, different color and different height and each group went into all the earth. In other words the different races that were created went into different parts of the world. Evolution was not involved in doing this, it was God and the angels that did it.

In Gen 2, God alone formed Adam and Eve. Adam was his only son. Therefore the children of Adam and Eve were the children of God. When the bible speaks of the son's of God, it is speaking of these people. All of the Old Testament is about them.

Yes...BUT-

Adam was Created and Made..."Good".
Not "CREATED and MADE" a son of God.

Adam was "CREATED and Made", in Gods Image and likeness.
Adams Image, (Look) was Similar to God,
Adams Likeness, (knowledge) was Similar to
Gods.
Adam KNEW of Such a thing...AS Good AND Evil.
God was Feeding Adam - Good. (Direction to harken to God, do not eat from the Tree of G & E.)

Why Not?
Because, a babe, not yet "Filled" with Good knowledge, is NOT "Prepared" to Know, dismilate, Reject Evil knowledge.

THAT- ^ - is the downfall of man.
Not being prepared IN Gods Truth, thus the man Vunerable to Evil "pseudo trickery that appears as Truth".

AFTER Adams fall...Earthly men, henseforth, Became "procreated", IN Adams "fallen" IMAGE and LIKENESS".

Gen 5:
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

^ in Adams Likeness and Image.

Earthly men are Born in Adams Likeness and
Image...

The WHOLE point of Gods Offering OF,
Forgiveness, Restoration, Reconcillation, Renewing....
That ^ Applied to Adam and Applies to Every Earthly man, who is restored and MADE a son of God.

We know it Applied to Adam;
We know he fell.
We know he was expelled from the Gods Garden.
We know after Adams expulsion from Gods Garden...
* We DID NOT KNOW - Earthly men in Belief in God- would be CALLED "sons of God"...
• Until AFTER Jesus' came to Earth, and Revealed knowledge of the Mysteries of God, that such Knowledge had been KEPT hidden from "early Earthly men"
• Early Earthly men were babes, NOT YET Prepared, for much of Gods knowledge.

Adam was "called a son of God".
Luke 3:
[38] Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

WHAT Earthly men ARE called "sons of God"?

Every Earthly man, WHO "Becomes Born of God."...according to Gods Way.

Rom. 8
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Glory to God,
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Many people say that the sons of God are angels, is that right or wrong?


start here:
Luk 3:38  Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. 

just what do you think Jesus fulfilled in the flesh, that Adam could not? why is Jesus said by Paul to be the second Adam? Jesus not only restored God to man, but the image and likeness of God that makes one a son of God. therefore restoring to the Father, via the Son, (new man) sons of God, in the Holy Spirit (presence of God).
 
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start here:
Luk 3:38  Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. 

just what do you think Jesus fulfilled in the flesh, that Adam could not?

Adam had sin in his life and in the old testament that could not be erased.
 

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Adam had sin in his life and in the old testament that could not be erased.
Adam was not under the Law, Grace was in effect, and still is. when Adam sin, God's Grace dictated "MERCY", listen, Genesis 3:8 "And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden."Genesis 3:9 "And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?"Genesis 3:10 "And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself."Genesis 3:11 "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"Genesis 3:12 "And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."Genesis 3:13 "And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."

if Adam would have confess his sin, Grace/Goodness and Mercy would have produce the "fruit" of FORGIVNESS.... :D

the prophet and king, David said it best, Psalms 23:6 "Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever."

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Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
Yes Luke 3:38 proves that Adam was a Son of God.

ALPHA AND OMEGA
These are the names of the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet and are used as a title three times in the book of Revelation. The additional occurrence of this phrase in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however, does not receive support from some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations.
 

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he didn't have sin when God made Adam did he, he was sinless until the tree. what is you're point?
Just that, Adam did sin and there was nothing he could do to erase it. God gave his people a way to push sin forward for periods of time, but it took our Savior to take their sins way forever. God was even gracious enough to take away the sins of the Gentiles also.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
 

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Just that, Adam did sin and there was nothing he could do to erase it. God gave his people a way to push sin forward for periods of time, but it took our Savior to take their sins way forever. God was even gracious enough to take away the sins of the Gentiles also.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

your view seems to be cookie cutter theology

though sure, Jesus removed the sin, but it was via the restoration of the Life Adam and Eve had before the tree, hence sinless. They died of the Life they had that day, and was left with the life of dust to dust just as any other flesh has. The only difference is the Life of Christ the only begotten the very Word of God can not sin. therefore, salvation assured, because Life that is of the Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit can not be condemned. so the sin remains in the life of sin, and the life is replaced with the Life of Christ Jesus hence Paul's advice of walk in the Spirit.

what is of God and God does via His children remains with God, and what is done otherwise remains in the earth that it is of.
 
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your view seems to be cookie cutter theology

For sure, Jesus removed the sin, but it was via the restoration of the Life Adam and Eve had before the tree, hence sinless. They died of the Life they had that day, and was left with the life of dust to dust just as any other flesh has. The only difference is the Life of Christ the only begotten the very Word of God can not sin. therefore, salvation assured, because Life that is of the Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit can not be condemned. so the sin remains in the life of sin, and the life is replaced with the Life of Christ Jesus hence Paul's advice of walk in the Spirit.

what is of God and God does via His children remains with God, and what is done otherwise remains in the earth that it is of.

Yes, Adam was forgiven, but, as you say, his sin brought his death else he would have lived forever.
 

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Not angels!

it refers to marriage, angels do not marry, and cannot have sex, Matt 22:30
Sons of God are the faithful Jn 1:12

Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

not at any time are angels called sons of God!
 

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Yes Luke 3:38 proves that Adam was a Son of God.

ALPHA AND OMEGA
These are the names of the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet and are used as a title three times in the book of Revelation. The additional occurrence of this phrase in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however, does not receive support from some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations.
Adam was God in the flesh - Jesus was God in the flesh
' the first and the last '
Adam's flesh was tempted by the devil and He partook and sinned - Jesus flesh was tempted but this time He refused the devil's offer
In both cases, the devil did possess what he offered.