Do we know the year of Christ's return?

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Do we know the year of Christ's return?

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Waiting on him

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Can't go by the Bible alone for everything. Since the beginning the Church has been known as the bride of Christ. But since you all have to go by the Bible alone, even though the Bible never says to use it alone, here is an article that uses verses and explains it Bride of Christ - Wikipedia
So John the Baptist saw Jesus posses the church, that makes no sense at all.
All John saw was the Holy Spirit resting upon Him.
Matthew 3:16 KJV
[16] And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
 

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Well there seems to be a number of people here who think we might be in the Tribulation or they think they even know the year of Christ's return and when judgement day will happen.

There has been many failed predictions though of dates when Jesus Christ will return.

So does anyone really know but God?

I appreciate the fact that you brought this up. People still don't understand and need answers.

No one knows. Why people don't trust the words of Jesus Christ is beyond anything I can understand.


God Speed.
 

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I appreciate the fact that you brought this up. People still don't understand and need answers.

No one knows. Why people don't trust the words of Jesus Christ is beyond anything I can understand.


God Speed.
We can pray "Even so, come Lord Jesus" (Revelation 22), while seeking meanwhile to be steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord (1 Corinthians 15.58).
 
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Did you mean this verse? --

Matt. 24:42 But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


So maybe we CAN know the Millennia (1,000); Daytona (500); Century (100); Score (20); Decade (10); Year (1); Season; Month; and Week?

Bobby Jo

We do know when the second invisible presence of Jesus Christ begins but we don't know when Armageddon will happen.
 

Bobby Jo

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... People still don't understand and need answers.
No one knows.
You can speak for yourself, but please don't speak for Scripture, unless you can get it right! :)

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Why people don't trust the words of Jesus Christ is beyond anything I can understand. ...
Could it be because you misquote and misapply Scripture?

Bobby Jo
 

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Well, apparently NOBODY CARES what Scripture says, otherwise SOMEBODY would have discovered what the Psalms has to say about THE YEAR. So it's down to the blind leading the blind, and both fall into the pit.

As for me, Scripture seems to be pretty clear.
Bobby Jo
 

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No one knows, period. You delude yourself and twist Scripture to your will

Exactly WHAT Scripture am I "twisting"? Deut. 18 says the PROOF is in the PUDDING, but YOU'RE the one refusing the taste test, -- HISTORY:

Deut 18:22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

... and it's OK if people prefer to be blind to what Scripture has for them, but I prefer knowing:

Jeremiah 33:3 ‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’


Bobby Jo
 

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You can speak for yourself, but please don't speak for Scripture, unless you can get it right! :)


Could it be because you misquote and misapply Scripture?

Bobby Jo

I didn't misquote Jesus. He said this:
Matthew 24:36
36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

"no one knows"

"no one knows"


"no one knows"


"no one knows"

These are the very words of Jesus.

I haven't been at these forums for very long, so I'm not familiar with your posts. What you should know about me is that I rarely report anyone. But if you continue to misrepresent what I have said...................

Christians are not called to strife.

1 Peter 3:15English

make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,




 
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Well, apparently NOBODY CARES what Scripture says, otherwise SOMEBODY would have discovered what the Psalms has to say about THE YEAR. So it's down to the blind leading the blind, and both fall into the pit.

As for me, Scripture seems to be pretty clear.
Bobby Jo

I do care what scripture says. And it records the words of Jesus.

Matthew 24:36
36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
 
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There are many precedents for God revealing specific times in advance.

1/ He gave Noah the exact amount of time to build and load the ark, before the Flood.

2/ He told Abraham that the Israelites would be in Egypt for 400 years.

3/ He revealed the exact day of Elijah’s rapture.

4/ Jeremiah prophesied the 70 year time for the Babylonian exile.

5/ Daniel told exactly when the Messiah would come the first time.

6/ Now, Ezekiel 4:4-6, with the multiples as given in Leviticus 26, gives us the dates for the events of our time.

To leave us without clues now would be contrary to God’s established pattern. Obviously we are not “in the dark “, there are many signs. Let us be watchful, doing our Masters work and ready to heed His call and to receive our inheritance.
 
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The end of the age happened at the destruction of the Temple. The end of the age never meant the end of the world, remember Christ said there would be those standing there that would see these things come to pass and they did.
OK, I understand. Does this mean then that this world continues on as it is? And all judgment of man comes as each dies in his turn to stand before God?

Much love!
 
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Well there seems to be a number of people here who think we might be in the Tribulation or they think they even know the year of Christ's return and when judgement day will happen.

There has been many failed predictions though of dates when Jesus Christ will return.

So does anyone really know but God?

I do, it will be in the year 3000.300.30.3 of the north star date when they see his destroyer class battle ship passing by the omega quadrant, LOL, just kidding.

After dabbling in the gift of prophecy, I am really slow to predict anything.

But it's always refreshing to watch someones failed prediction, as I have had some, I feel like theirs comfort in company of others that have failed like me. After which I would hope they might sit back and wait to see if their prophecies come true before proclaiming them out loud.
 

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Hey I did hear one strange prediction made here in another thread, it was that Trump was one of the two witnesses and that the crowd will pull him out and kill him in the streets on his debate. And that his dead body will lie in the streets 3.5 days, etc.

And to my surprise, he did come down with COVID-19 after his debate. Like the great Metallica song, "Sad but true"?

I can dig up the prediction if anyone wants, it was in that huge "are you going to watch the debate" thread.
 

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Well there seems to be a number of people here who think we might be in the Tribulation or they think they even know the year of Christ's return and when judgement day will happen.

There has been many failed predictions though of dates when Jesus Christ will return.

So does anyone really know but God?
Perhaps the question should be, does anyone know when the return of Jesus is near? Well, Jesus said to watch...to know that it is near just as when the season for harvesting is near......he says, when you see all these things know that it is at the very doors. I would say he directed us to know when it is not far distant.
 

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There are many precedents for God revealing specific times in advance.

1/ He gave Noah the exact amount of time to build and load the ark, before the Flood.

2/ He told Abraham that the Israelites would be in Egypt for 400 years.

3/ He revealed the exact day of Elijah’s rapture.

4/ Jeremiah prophesied the 70 year time for the Babylonian exile.

5/ Daniel told exactly when the Messiah would come the first time.

6/ Now, Ezekiel 4:4-6, with the multiples as given in Leviticus 26, gives us the dates for the events of our time.

To leave us without clues now would be contrary to God’s established pattern. Obviously we are not “in the dark “, there are many signs. Let us be watchful, doing our Masters work and ready to heed His call and to receive our inheritance.

Thank you providing your position. I can respect it even if I don't agree.

Second Coming Date Setters

Second Coming Date Setters

by Pastor Clinton Macomber

History has recorded horrible repercussions that came and continue to come as a result of people who ignore the Word of God and think of themselves so highly they can set the date Christ is to return to this Earth. The problem is that like any sin, once it is committed, and the world can verify the person is a false prophet, the false prophets compound the problem by retreating to the world of mysticism and innuendo to justify their position. The result has been the formation of several cults (Religious organizations that call themselves Christian but reject Biblical teaching as part of their basic tenants) and pseudo-Christian denominations that are used by the devil to create broader avenues to eternal destruction of the adherents.

Scripture is very clear about setting dates for the Return of Christ, and the Disciples were told very clearly that they were not to attempt to do it either, because not even Christ was given the date. Here are the verses that are ignored to set a date.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

After saying that the false prophet is to suffer capitol punishment, it says:
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Date setter Christopher Columbus. Columbus wrote a book called The Book of Prophecies in which he predicted the world would end in 1656. This was the year number of the Flood after the Creation. The reasoning was that after Christ's coming, God would give the world the same amount of time before the final judgment. Columbus felt it was imperative that the world be reached with the Gospel before Christ returned and set up his Messianic Kingdom.

Date-setter and farmer William Miller of New York. As a new Christian, he decided in 1818 that Christ would return in 1842 to 1844. Later he became a preacher (self-taught without necessary discipleship and training) and made this the keynote of his sermons. He was eloquent and earnest and found an ever enlarging audience. In 1839 there was a financial panic that caused even more to believe the world was coming to an end. Prophetic charts were often added to stock market reports in Newspapers as the countdown to the end came closer. The whole concept became known as Millerism. Between March of 1842 and 1843 was the year in which Christ was to come. However, nothing happened. Miller was very disappointed and decided he had miscalculated. He set a new date of October 22, 1844 as the actual date. As the date neared, farmers did not bother to harvest their crops. Others quit their jobs and sold their things and gave the money away. Finally the day arrived and fear and foreboding swept across New England. Churches were filled for the great event as well as mountaintops. The day passed and many became disillusioned. The Day is remembered in History as the “Great Disappointment.” Millerites did not learn their lesson, but continued to set dates, and began the Advent Church in 1845 of which Miller was the president.

Date Setter Francis Nichol made the Millerite date an invisible event of Christ’s movement in Heaven! He was a Seventh Day Adventist editor of their publication Midnight Cry. Hiram Edson expanded on this concept claiming to see visions of it. Ellen White also saw visions of it and added the requirement of Sabbath observance from Friday evening to sundown on Saturday. These demented folks who based their doctrine on lying visions and the work of false prophet date setters officially organized in 1863 as the Seventh Day Adventist Church. The perversions simply proliferated from these original founders to reject many foundational teachings of Scripture and replace them with teachings from lying visions and much distortion.

Date Setter Charles Russell felt he alone could interpret Scripture and invented quite a few totally unbiblical interpretations. In the process he set several dates. One was that Christ’s presence on Earth began in the fall of 1874. But he only came to the upper air. This was when a 40 year harvest period began. Then in 1914 the end of Gentile times would come and the 144,000 saints who would be kings and priests in heaven would all have been sealed. When the world did not end, it was taught that those that are saved after this date belong to the servants of the great company. The great company is those who will rule on Earth under the 144,000. After Charles Russell died, an industry lawyer named Joseph Franklin Rutherford took the presidency of the Watchtower Society. He was the one who had the group named Jehovah Witnesses. This group has predicted that the world would end in 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, and more recently, 1975. When the earlier dates passed with the world not ending, they decided that human history actually began when Eve was created! Another new teaching is that before the world will end in the Battle of Armageddon, first the 144,000 anointed class from 1914 must die off. The illegal dealings of Russell and this group are well documented and should be sufficient alone to prove this group is not of God, nor does the teaching come from people who are of God.

Date Setter Harold Camping claimed the Lord would return on September 6, 1994. Of course nothing happened. This self-taught church layman has spread false teaching for many years on his radio stations. He sounds very pious and sincere and looks up the verses on the air to talk about them. But being of a Reformed theology, he was taught to spiritualize Biblical statements and look for mysterious interpretations to understand Scripture. His interpretation is “private” and so contrary to II Peter 1:20 in that only Harold Camping can arrive at the strange ideas he teaches. When the date arrived there was no contrition or repentance for publicly proving himself to be a false prophet. Instead he changed his teaching and now teaches we are in the Tribulation and all Christians must not attend any organized churches, further moving into perdition and away from very clear Biblical teaching that states the complete opposite. He has now started his own cult of followers. What will they be called? Campites?

Sources

M. Fackler, edited by J.D. Douglas, Philip Wesley Comfort and Donald Mitchell, Who's Who in Christian History (Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House, 1997, c1992). Miller, William

John H. Gerstner, The Theology of Major Sects republished by Charles R. Swindoll, The Tale of the Tardy Oxcart and 1501 Other Stories, electronic ed., Logos Library System; Swindoll leadership library (Nashville: Word Publishers, 2000, c1998). Second Coming.

A. Culver Gordon, Westminster Theological Journal (Westminster Theological Seminary, 1945; 2005). Vol. 8 Nu. 2 p. 219.

Edmund C. Gruss, Cults and the Occult in the Age of Aquarius, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House, 1974.

Anthony A. Hoekema, The Four Major Cults. Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Erdmanns Publishing Company, 1963.

George Thomas Kurian, Nelson's New Christian Dictionary : The Authoritative Resource on the Christian World (Nashville, Tenn.: Thomas Nelson Pubs., 2001). Seventh Day Adventists

Bob Larson, Larson's Book of Cults. Wheaton, Illinois: Tyndale House publishers, 1982.

Walter Martin, The Kingdom of the Cults, Minneapolis, Minnesota: Bethany House Publishers, 1977.

Robert J. Morgan, On This Day, electronic ed. (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 2000, c1997). October 22.

Paul Lee Tan, Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations (Garland TX: Bible Communications, 1996, c1979). 5473


We all need to remember that the disciples and apostles all thought that Jesus would return very soon. It’s God’s management of time that counts.
 
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OK, I understand. Does this mean then that this world continues on as it is? And all judgment of man comes as each dies in his turn to stand before God?

Much love!

Just a quick story. When my mom was a little girl, she went to Sunday School and never missed. In 1948 her teacher told her about the Jews being returned to their homeland. The teacher's interpretation was that this generation would not pass away before Jesus came again. Since then over 70 year have passed and the word 'generation' has been sliced, diced, poked, prodded beyond any reasonable expectation.

We should be careful how we evaluate world events while we wait with great expectation for our Lord's return.

Blessings to all.
 
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The perversions simply proliferated from these original founders to reject many foundational teachings of Scripture and replace them with teachings from lying visions and much distortion.
You know this from your own studies or are you simply taking the word of others?
I am interested in talking about these 'perversions' that proliferated and 'teachings from lying visions and much distortion' in another thread perhaps?
 

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I agree that we cannot set a specific date for the second coming. I also agree with QT that we can know through observation of the signs when He is at the door. With that said, below is a link to a discussion regarding occult and secular views on the subject and what date they have set for the coming of Lucifer who we all know is to impersonate Christ just before the true Christ comes. Satan knows better than most of us the signs of Christ's coming... And he knows his time is short so his plans for the world and specifically for the church are not pretty as you would imagine. This is a fascinating conversation....

 

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Just a quick story. When my mom was a little girl, she went to Sunday School and never missed. In 1948 her teacher told her about the Jews being returned to their homeland. The teacher's interpretation was that this generation would not pass away before Jesus came again. Since then over 70 year have passed and the word 'generation' has been sliced, diced, poked, prodded beyond any reasonable expectation.

We should be careful how we evaluate world events while we wait with great expectation for our Lord's return.

Blessings to all.

I think you may have missed an important point in " that generation " is not 70 years. some of that generation died young, some are still here. Including me. Born in 1941.
Pomp.