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Most of Us Believe That Jesus is the Son of God but have no idea who the children of the Devil are.

One can't fight the devil if they don't know who they are. Jesus pointed them out very plainly.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Who was the murderer from the beginning? It was Cain. Most people can't come to this truth because they do not read the bible with understanding. What more does it say?

1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Jesus was talking to the Jews when he told them, the Jews, that they were the children of Cain and as such they were of the devil.

How can that be? It is truth or Jesus would not have said it.

Now you have to separate the Jews, because not all of them are of Cain.
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Where are these Jews that are not? They still call themselves Jews today and they are not Christians.
 

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I agree that Cain was called a "child of Satan," and that many Jews are false spiritual Jews because they lack the faith of Abraham. However, I would distinguish between Jewish unbelievers who are "children of Satan" and Jewish unbelievers are are not "children of Satan."

Obviously, there are many unbelieving Jews at present who will yet come to express faith in Christ. Many of us start out as unbelievers, and later, after hearing and understanding the Gospel, convert to Christ and become believers.

What is it that renders some Jews "children of Satan" and some not? It has to do with the depth of rejection people have towards Christ. If someone rejects Christ in the mind, without a full understanding, it is not necessarily indicative that they've rejected Christ for all time. The mind can get very messed up!

I think that those considered "children of Satan" are those who can be discerned as lifetime adversaries of the Gospel of Christ, who show no element of interest in Christian salvation. Like Satan, they are vested in opposition to the word of Christ, and seek to prevent men and women from entering into a relationship with God and attempt to prevent them from obeying and complying with God's word.

This really is a matter of divine discernment, such that it is not advisable to leap to conclusions, judging strictly by appearances. When Paul judged people "children of Satan," he did so by divine revelation and with obvious indications. Men and women can indeed come to the point where they show no interest in the things of God, and are apparently unwilling to ever change.

Why is this so important? We have many of us learned the importance of forgiveness and tolerance, pursuing evangelical efforts to reach out to those who are hardened in their opposition to Christianity. But fewer among us have learned how King David, in the Psalms, came to a position of putting up hard resistance to the resisters. David came to the point, as judge and king, to destroy the adversaries of God's rule in Israel. He got to the point where he called upon God's judgment of them in order to protect society from the evils they posed.

I do think we have to know when someone is interested only in opposing us, instead of reaching out to them indefinitely. Our enemies will take advantage of our weakness and softness to drive a wedge between potential converts and God, and we will be letting them! We need to exercise authority in matters where God directs us to call upon Him for judgment against the adversaries of Christ! This really requires, I think, experience and prayer. We do not want to judge men before their time!
 

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Addressing the OP.
Who is a Jew? Romans 2:28 & 29.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
 

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Cain was a human being who was deceived by the devil; not the devil himself.

God told Cain that sin was lying at the door; and that its desire was for him; but he must master it.
 
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I agree that Cain was called a "child of Satan," and that many Jews are false spiritual Jews because they lack the faith of Abraham. However, I would distinguish between Jewish unbelievers who are "children of Satan" and Jewish unbelievers are are not "children of Satan."

Obviously, there are many unbelieving Jews at present who will yet come to express faith in Christ. Many of us start out as unbelievers, and later, after hearing and understanding the Gospel, convert to Christ and become believers.

What is it that renders some Jews "children of Satan" and some not? It has to do with the depth of rejection people have towards Christ. If someone rejects Christ in the mind, without a full understanding, it is not necessarily indicative that they've rejected Christ for all time. The mind can get very messed up!

I think that those considered "children of Satan" are those who can be discerned as lifetime adversaries of the Gospel of Christ, who show no element of interest in Christian salvation. Like Satan, they are vested in opposition to the word of Christ, and seek to prevent men and women from entering into a relationship with God and attempt to prevent them from obeying and complying with God's word.

This really is a matter of divine discernment, such that it is not advisable to leap to conclusions, judging strictly by appearances. When Paul judged people "children of Satan," he did so by divine revelation and with obvious indications. Men and women can indeed come to the point where they show no interest in the things of God, and are apparently unwilling to ever change.

Why is this so important? We have many of us learned the importance of forgiveness and tolerance, pursuing evangelical efforts to reach out to those who are hardened in their opposition to Christianity. But fewer among us have learned how King David, in the Psalms, came to a position of putting up hard resistance to the resisters. David came to the point, as judge and king, to destroy the adversaries of God's rule in Israel. He got to the point where he called upon God's judgment of them in order to protect society from the evils they posed.

I do think we have to know when someone is interested only in opposing us, instead of reaching out to them indefinitely. Our enemies will take advantage of our weakness and softness to drive a wedge between potential converts and God, and we will be letting them! We need to exercise authority in matters where God directs us to call upon Him for judgment against the adversaries of Christ! This really requires, I think, experience and prayer. We do not want to judge men before their time!
The saved are children of God by nature, while the lost are of the Devil....
 

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The reason most people can not accept that some are the devil’s chidren is because they don’t accept that the father of Cain was of the devil. God called him that old serpent.

What was the sin of Adam and Eve? They ate of the tree of knowledge that was good and evil. After they ate, what was the result. They covered their sexual parts knowing they had sinned.

The trees in the garden are of people that were created in Gen 1. The people of good and evil were the people of knowledge of evil. Eve had sex with that serpent the devil and later Adam did the same. This is not the children’s Sunday school lesson, it is the adult version.

1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Eve had twins, one of the devil and other of Adam. Different fathers, but that is always possible and it happened in the Bible.

Jesus said “Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Do you believe in Jesus?
If you do, you must
believe what he says! He said the above, so it is true.
 

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The reason most people can not accept that some are the devil’s chidren is because they don’t accept that the father of Cain was of the devil. God called him that old serpent.

What was the sin of Adam and Eve? They ate of the tree of knowledge that was good and evil. After they ate, what was the result. They covered their sexual parts knowing they had sinned.

The trees in the garden are of people that were created in Gen 1. The people of good and evil were the people of knowledge of evil. Eve had sex with that serpent the devil and later Adam did the same. This is not the children’s Sunday school lesson, it is the adult version.

1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Eve had twins, one of the devil and other of Adam. Different fathers, but that is always possible and it happened in the Bible.

Jesus said “Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Do you believe in Jesus?
If you do, you must
believe what he says! He said the above, so it is true.
This is heresy and cultic theology!
 
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The reason most people can not accept that some are the devil’s chidren is because they don’t accept that the father of Cain was of the devil. God called him that old serpent.

What was the sin of Adam and Eve? They ate of the tree of knowledge that was good and evil. After they ate, what was the result. They covered their sexual parts knowing they had sinned.

The trees in the garden are of people that were created in Gen 1. The people of good and evil were the people of knowledge of evil. Eve had sex with that serpent the devil and later Adam did the same. This is not the children’s Sunday school lesson, it is the adult version.

1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Eve had twins, one of the devil and other of Adam. Different fathers, but that is always possible and it happened in the Bible.

Jesus said “Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Do you believe in Jesus?
If you do, you must
believe what he says! He said the above, so it is true.

These scriptures you posted in the OP would indicate that murderers are the children of the devil. Now the Jews that killed Jesus did just that, they murdered him. I won't go around saying anyone else is a child of the devil. Unless you can find scripture to support it.

I don't see any indication in the garden that sex happened. In fact to the contrary it was given them to eat fruit and herb, and not animals. I would tend to think the fruit of knowledge of good and evil from that tree was probably killing and eating animals. Afterward a sacrifice was offered of animals and it was for them to sacrifice. Then when Jesus came he gave them bread and wine (herb and fruit) as his body and blood. So I see into animal eating and a new covenant back out. Not that we can't eat animals anymore. But the facts suggest that killing and eating animals might have been the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
 

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These scriptures you posted in the OP would indicate that murderers are the children of the devil. Now the Jews that killed Jesus did just that, they murdered him. I won't go around saying anyone else is a child of the devil. Unless you can find scripture to support it.

I don't see any indication in the garden that sex happened. In fact to the contrary it was given them to eat fruit and herb, and not animals. I would tend to think the fruit of knowledge of good and evil from that tree was probably killing and eating animals. Afterward a sacrifice was offered of animals and it was for them to sacrifice. Then when Jesus came he gave them bread and wine (herb and fruit) as his body and blood. So I see into animal eating and a new covenant back out. Not that we can't eat animals anymore. But the facts suggest that killing and eating animals might have been the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
There are only 2 classes of humans, either in Adam, still in sins and children of the Devil in the sense actin g as he desires, or now in Christ and saved!
 
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Rocky Wiley

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These scriptures you posted in the OP would indicate that murderers are the children of the devil. Now the Jews that killed Jesus did just that, they murdered him. I won't go around saying anyone else is a child of the devil. Unless you can find scripture to support it.

I don't see any indication in the garden that sex happened. In fact to the contrary it was given them to eat fruit and herb, and not animals. I would tend to think the fruit of knowledge of good and evil from that tree was probably killing and eating animals. Afterward a sacrifice was offered of animals and it was for them to sacrifice. Then when Jesus came he gave them bread and wine (herb and fruit) as his body and blood. So I see into animal eating and a new covenant back out. Not that we can't eat animals anymore. But the facts suggest that killing and eating animals might have been the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

These scriptures you posted in the OP would indicate that murderers are the children of the devil. Now the Jews that killed Jesus did just that, they murdered him. I won't go around saying anyone else is a child of the devil. Unless you can find scripture to support it.

I don't see any indication in the garden that sex happened. In fact to the contrary it was given them to eat fruit and herb, and not animals. I would tend to think the fruit of knowledge of good and evil from that tree was probably killing and eating animals. Afterward a sacrifice was offered of animals and it was for them to sacrifice. Then when Jesus came he gave them bread and wine (herb and fruit) as his body and blood. So I see into animal eating and a new covenant back out. Not that we can't eat animals anymore. But the facts suggest that killing and eating animals might have been the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

These scriptures you posted in the OP would indicate that murderers are the children of the devil. Now the Jews that killed Jesus did just that, they murdered him. I won't go around saying anyone else is a child of the devil. Unless you can find scripture to support it.

I don't see any indication in the garden that sex happened. In fact to the contrary it was given them to eat fruit and herb, and not animals. I would tend to think the fruit of knowledge of good and evil from that tree was probably killing and eating animals. Afterward a sacrifice was offered of animals and it was for them to sacrifice. Then when Jesus came he gave them bread and wine (herb and fruit) as his body and blood. So I see into animal eating and a new covenant back out. Not that we can't eat animals anymore. But the facts suggest that killing and eating animals might have been the tree of knowledge of good and evil.



The Fall

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

beguiled - naw-shaw'
A primitive root; (morally) to
seduce: - beguile, deceive, X greatly, X utterly.

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:


Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
enmity
ay-baw'
From H340; hostility: - enmity, hatred.

seed
thy seed and her seed; children
zeh'-rah
From H2232; seed; - child