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Spoken to the apostles, the leaders of the Church.
Jesus didn't promise that you would be infallible.
Vicar of Christ does not mean the Pope is God. It means that the Pope is Christ's physical representative on earth.
The Queen of England is over 90. She rarely appears in public now. But if, as head of State, she is invited to attend something she will send someone to represent her, for example Prince Charles. That does mean Prince Charles becomes Head of State. He just acts in her place under her authority. So also with the Pope. He acts under Christ's authority.
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Protestants say that (a god, the god on earth) about the pope.....Catholics don't.
Yup, Luther broke off (was kicked out of) from The Church. And then many men broke away from him because they thought HE was wrong....WTG Protestants. You are protesting the original protestor!!! And all of you think YOU got it right and Martin Luther got it wrong!!!
What a mess...Lack of hierarchy leads to anarchy.
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Ummmm......That was spoken to the Apostles ONLY. Not meant for every Christian from the time of Christ until eternity.
If your interpretation of that passage was true then all the Christians for the last 2,000 years have been guided into all truth. Logically that makes no sense since for 2,000 years we have disagreed on what the truth is.
Keeping it real....Mary
LOL!!! Satan does love to create doubt about God's eternal living Words to man.Ummmm......That was spoken to the Apostles ONLY. Not meant for every Christian from the time of Christ until eternity.
If your interpretation of that passage was true then all the Christians for the last 2,000 years have been guided into all truth. Logically that makes no sense since for 2,000 years we have disagreed on what the truth is.
Keeping it real....Mary
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The one and ONLY hierarchy is Jesus and the Apostles. Now its Gods word as our guide via the Holy Spirit.Protestants say that (a god, the god on earth) about the pope.....Catholics don't.
Yup, Luther broke off (was kicked out of) from The Church. And then many men broke away from him because they thought HE was wrong....WTG Protestants. You are protesting the original protestor!!! And all of you think YOU got it right and Martin Luther got it wrong!!!
What a mess...Lack of hierarchy leads to anarchy.
Believers are the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD as per PETER of all people ROFL....................
no need for the role of the Priest as Jesus is our High Priest and we are His priests on earth.
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Good afternoon Christophany,
Here is YOUR theory on the hierarchy of the truth:
Jesus, who taught truth to the Apostles
Apostles, who taught that same truth to other men
Other men, who now us Gods word as a 'guide via the Holy Spirit' to come up with their own truth because there is no need for priest (hierarchy)
Then there is hierarchy according to Scripture:
Jesus, who taught truth to the Apostles
Apostles, who taught that same truth to other men
Other men, who then taught that same truth to other men
Those men then taught that same truth to other men
Those men then taught that same truth to other men........etc. etc.
John 17:18
Luke 10:16: (Jesus told his Apostles if they reject you they reject me and the one who sent me. So when the Apostles taught other men the Truth that means if society rejected the truthful teachings of those other men they rejected the teachings of the Apostles which was the teaching of Christ)
Acts 1:20-26 (The Greek word that is translated in vs 20 as “office” is “episcope,”. Literally it means “one who oversees” or “one who supervises.”)
Romans 10:13-15 (The word “sent” in Romans 10:15 is a translation of the Greek word “apostalosin,”.)
Acts 20:28
1 Timothy 3:1, Titus 1:7: (“Episcope” is translated as “bishop” in 1 Timothy 3:1, and in Titus 1:7. The office that is transmitted is “bishop” not Apostle.)
Titus 1:5 “This is why I left you in Crete, that you might amend what was defective, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you …” This authority was passed on through the laying on of hands. Acts 6:6 “These they set before the apostles, and they prayed and laid their hands upon them.” The Bishops passed on their authority to their successors by the laying on of hands. Acts 9:15-19 “But the Lord said to him, ‘Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; for I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.’ So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, ‘Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came, has sent me that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.’ And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes and he regained his sight Etc. etc. etc.....I know I am boring you with Scripture to back up what The Church teaches and has taught for 2,000 years.
Go ahead and stick with your above stated opinion/theory of which you are unable to back up with Scripture. I will stick with Scripture.
Keeping it real....with Scripture...Mary
If you are willing to read the scripture that calls your statement a lie I will quote it to you:
1Co 2:13, Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
As I said before, we all interpret holy scripture through the filter of our minds. And not everyone who claims to have the Holy Spirit necessarily have the Holy Spirit. But even if they all did have the Holy Spirit who have disagreed, I would say that people come to different interpretations because they have different life experiences and also read the scriptures in light of them, in perhaps a different order than the next person.
As a Protestant I will contend for the right of a believer to be ministered to by the Holy Spirit according to the life experiences of the believer; and the right of a believer to interpret the holy scriptures rather than be foreced to interpret the words of a man who has interpreted the holy scriptures for him. In one instance, the believer is ministered to directly by the Lord: in the other, a person is forced to be ministered to by a human being and there is a margin of error in that.
We are contending for the right of believers to interpret the holy scriptures for themselves; so why would we write a book telling people what is the interpretation of scripture?
That book is the Bible itself! I would much rather be spoken to by the Lord as to what is sound doctrine than be spoken to by someone writing an uninspired book (as 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us scripture is inspired)..
Soooooo Christophany, What good is it if someone says they have faith but they do not practice works? Can that faith save him Christophany? Did you know that faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
I believe Christians should learn to devote themselves to good works so that others may see our good works? Do you believe that Christophany?
Do you, Christophany, think that those who believe in God should be devote themselves to good works? And if we do these good works they are excellent and profitable for us Christophany?
I notice that you later asked me the same questions, so I will answer here your questions to me:
It is not the works that save a man; while if a man is genuinely saved, he has apprehended the love of the Lord (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5) and this love is a practical love (1 John 3:17-18).
So works will result out of a genuine faith and salvation.
However, I cannot regenerate and renew my soul by doing some good work (Titus 3:5 (kjv)). Only faith can accomplish this work of the Holy Spirit in my life; and faith alone in what Jesus did for me on the Cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
The works that I do are the result of a salvation that I receive sola fide. Because I receive sola fide a heart that is inclined towards doing good works. It is not the works that save me; but the attitude that desires to do good works is a major aspect of the salvation that is given to me through faith alone.
John 16:13 is in fact a promise given to those who are truly born again of the Holy Spirit.
We can obtain such promises by faith (2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20, Romans 4:20-22).
Yes, all who have been truly born again of the Holy Spirit have been guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit, if they have indeed been filled with the Holy Spirit. Which is not to say that they knew the whole truth from the moment that they received the Holy Spirit. They needed to be transformed by the renewing of their minds (Romans 12:1-2).
Have you never played the telephone game?
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I just can’t do this anymore. Whoever taught you what you are saying.....run away from them.
The book of 1st Corinthians is a letter from Paul. Paul’s purpose in writing this letter to the church in Corinth was to address and correct the immorality and divisions that had arisen among them. Soooo when he said “we” in that vs he is not talking about ALL CHRISTISANS from his time until ETERNITY......That is illogica!!! Sooooooo WHO do you think he is talking about when he said “we”?
I couldn’t finish the rest of what you wrote right now...maybe later. You have me worn out.
I think satan must love the idea that some think God's Word is to and for others but NOT me!!! Dream on until you feel the flames!!
I think that when Paul says "we" in 1 Corinthians 2:13 he is speaking of those who penned the holy scriptures.
Which is not to say that there is another silent "we" inherent in the scripture...the "we" of those who will be comparing scripture with scripture in order to come up with the teaching of the Holy Ghost.
You have no evidence for that claim. Jesus was speaking to the apostles. None of the quotes you give say that disciples receive every promise that Jesus made to the apostles. The promise was made to them as leaders of the Church and not to everyone.
If everyone "truly born again of the Holy Spirit" received such a promise why are there 40,000 plus Christian denominations, sects and one pastor churches teaching contradictory doctrines?
Are you "truly born again of the Holy Spirit"? If so, does that make you infallible?
Context, context, context.
God's word is for everyone to read but not everything applies to everyone.
FOR all, but not all directed to all. Jesus addressed different people and some was specific to them, some is applicable to us all.
How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!
Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....................
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An example prayer for those that have never talked to God!
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen
Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....................
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An example prayer for those that have never talked to God!
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen
I simply disagree with you. And the verses that I referenced do substantiate my position; whether you are willing to receive their testimony or not.
As concerning the essentials of the faith, I do not see these denominations teaching contradictory doctrines.
As concerning such things as worship style, tongues, and other nonessentials to the faith, I believe that God allows for differences between churches because people are different and God wants to appeal to all sorts of people.
If I have an unction from the holy one, then I know all things; that is, I know the difference between the truth and a lie when I hear it.
However, I am being transformed by the renewing of my mind; and therefore I may not have an accurate understanding on some things that are taught in holy scripture. The Holy Spirit is guiding me into all truth, as He does with everyone who has the Holy Spirit. This does not preclude that everyone who has the Holy Spirit will necessarily have a full knowledge of sound doctrine from the moment they are saved. People grow into a proper understanding of what the holy scriptures teach us. The longer I therefore continue in studying the word to shew myself approved, the more accurate my doctrine will be.
Because the holy scripture carries one meaning and has one message.
And I believe that this message is encapsulated in Galatians 3:22, John 3:16, and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
The scriptures are an integrated message system. They have a specific goal: to bring every man to salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. The word of the Lord is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword; piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).
So then, faith in Jesus is the essential and everything else is peripheral. People will come to unity of the faith when they conform in their thinking to the teachings of the word of God, however.
A prayer more likely to save you is:
Dear Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I admit that I am a sinner in need of a Saviour and that You are that Saviour. I call upon Your Name for salvation. Please forgive me of all my sins and come into my heart and be my Lord and Saviour. I confess that You are the Son of God and I receive You as my Lord; I also confess that You are the Lord of all creation and now the Lord of my life. I believe that You died for my sins and rose again the third day. Please fill me with Your Holy Spirit, and I will follow You all the days of my life. In Your Name, Amen.
Galatians 3:22, Matthew 1:21, Romans 10:13, 1 John 1:9, John 1:12, 1 John 4:15, Romans 10:9-12, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 11:9-13, Matthew 5-7.
Again!!!!
Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mk 16:16)
Peter said "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you" (1Pet3:21)
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