What Was The Star Leading The Wise Men?

whirlwind · May 1, 2010

When Jesus was born "Behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem.....

Matthew 2:9-10 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

Was this "star" a literal body of gases up in the sky leading them? We have been brought up with depictions of the story showing a bright heavenly star leading them. Did the artists understand what that heavenly body was?

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Psalm 147:4 He telleth the number of the stars; He calleth them all by their names.

1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

So where I read of the star leading the three wise men my understanding is....it wasn't a literal star in the galaxies. It was an angel that "stood over where the young child was."

Brother Mike · May 1, 2010

Sounds good to me WhirlWind!!!!

It would also make more sense, as following a Normal star would be hard pinpointing a specific location.

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JarBreaker · May 1, 2010

whirlwind said:
it wasn't a literal star in the galaxies

I've read a few times where it's been connected to a supernova, and even that there are written Chinese records of a bright explosion in the heavenlies, around the time of the birth. This would be an event that may have only lasted or been visible for a few hundred years.

Also, that, the wise men or "magi" were the descendants of the Chaldean astronomers / astrologists under Daniel ... there are ties to Persia in there somewhere, which would lead to zoroastrians, which were called magus or magi.

There was speculation that the gold,franckincense and myhrr were put aside out of the wealth Daniel accumulated with instructions that when they ( the astronomers ) saw this event, that they take it with them. Daniel being such a respected figure in that culture, his requests would have been given a lot of weight and kept in mind over the years since his death.

some good stuff here

http://epistle.us/articles/star.html

even explaining how the earth's rotation would aid in the sense of the star of Bethlehem coming to rest in one location

sniper762 · May 1, 2010

some say it was a ufo

the "first gospel of jesus" says that the same star led them back home.

whirlwind · May 5, 2010

whirlwind said:
When Jesus was born "Behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem.....

Matthew 2:9-10 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

Was this "star" a literal body of gases up in the sky leading them? We have been brought up with depictions of the story showing a bright heavenly star leading them. Did the artists understand what that heavenly body was?

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Psalm 147:4 He telleth the number of the stars; He calleth them all by their names.

1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

So where I read of the star leading the three wise men my understanding is....it wasn't a literal star in the galaxies. It was an angel that "stood over where the young child was."

In further study of the birth story it is shown that the wise men didn't see Jesus when He was a baby or see Him in Bethlehem....

Luke....
In "the days of Herod, the king of Judaea," [Lk.1:5] both John the Baptist and Jesus were conceived. The Christ Child was born in Bethlehem, the shepherds saw them there, the baby was circumcised and brought to "Jerusalem to present to the Lord," then "returned to Galilee to their own city Nazareth...and the Child grew."

Matthew...
Jesus was born in Bethlehem in the days of Herod the king. The wise men "came from the east to Jerusalem," where they met with Herod the king. Herod instructed them to go to Bethlehem because the prophets wrote that was where the Ruler would come from. Did they go to Bethlehem? No, because Jesus was no longer there. His family was in Nazareth where the "Child grew." The "star/angel" led them to the correct location and "stood over where the young child was." The wise men rejoiced, went into the "house," not the stable, and gave their gifts to the "young Child," not to the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes.

God warned the wise men "in a dream that they should not return to Herod," and then "the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream," and warned him to "flee to Egypt, for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him." They did and stayed "until the death of Herod."

01CobraVortech · May 9, 2010

sniper762 said:
some say it was a ufo

the "first gospel of jesus" says that the same star led them back home.

I tend to believe this as well. Now what it looked like to the wise men, is a whole other story. Reading Ezekiel's account of the 4 cherubims coming out of a chariot that's described in a detail that fits today's "UFO" images, makes me wonder that the same type of chariot may have led them.

Its interesting to note, that the eyewitnesses at the Fatima apparition in Portugal or should I say deception? Described seeing a "bouncing sun" way above the female apparition. I'm sure it was a UFO but it was pulling some tricks to look different. There was probably a UFO in the area when Joseph Smith had his encounter, as well as when Mohammad did. And the same appears to have been the case with the high mucky mucks of Hinduism and Buddhism.

For many years, I've wondered why the cherubims that visited Ezekiel, came in a "chariot."

HammerStone · May 10, 2010

It's always been my belief that the star was not something like we often see depicted in the movies, plays, or cartoons but that it was a certain "sign" in the stars with a key star being the sign/star. I know I've mentioned it before on here, but it's already been calculated that Jupiter was in a certain alignment on September 11th, 3 BC. I believe this is the closest date (think about what the Shepherds were doing at the time of Christ's birth) I've come across for Christ's birth. Am I 100% set in stone? No. Could it be another date with another alignment, sure. However, if you note the description of the woman in Revelation 12, then you can recognize a certain zodiac sign with Jupiter. Coincidentally or not, there are 12 such zodiacs as arrived at by numerous distinct cultures. (Perhaps they derived their false abominations from little knowledge of the truth?)

Job 38:31-32
Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades or loose the cords of Orion? Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season, or can you guide the Bear with its children?

Note the word Mazzaroth, which also appears in II Kings 23:5.

Trying to term it astrology would be a misnomer in many ways because of what that term has come to mean. However, God said in Genesis that he created the "signs" in Genesis 1:14. This is further solidified by Psalm 19. I know some read this as the stars serve as dumb signs of sorts in that space is so large, unique, and etc. The Bible mentions some of the constellations (see above) and then this mysterious term "Mazzaroth" as well. It's a whole host of discussions about what they mean and so on, but I firmly do believe that we have a Bible of the stars of sorts. I think this is why cultures have always looked to the stars because there were little slithers of the original truth. I think that unfortunately most everything has been lost when it comes to that information, but that we can reconstruct some of it with God's help and guidance.

The wise men knew this information and perhaps were the very last in that they went to Christ himself with it.

There's also another path to arrive right around the September date although not quite by the year. It's something interesting to look at, but I wouldn't try and run it by someone as the Gospel truth. I think as long as you acknowledge and believe that whatever the star was, it lead them to Christ is what matters.

01CobraVortech · May 10, 2010

That's a very interesting commentary HammerStone. Especially in light of there being a Temple of Jupiter in Lebanon that clearly could not have been built by humans.

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