OUR PATTERN FOR SALVATION

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1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Peter and the disciples are not our pattern for salvation.

Paul is our pattern for salvation unto eternal life.

We are to believe on Jesus Christ. We are to trust in Jesus Christ and believe the gospel that he died for our sins and rose for our justification unto eternal life.
 
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1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Peter and the disciples are not our pattern for salvation.

Paul is our pattern for salvation unto eternal life.

We are to believe on Jesus Christ. We are to trust in Jesus Christ and believe the gospel that he died for our sins and rose for our justification unto eternal life.

Why do you keep pitting Peter against Paul?
It is false.

Moreover your quote does not mention salvation, and is not about how salvation comes about.
"but I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience for an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life." (1Tim 1:16 -RSV).
It's about Jesus' patience.
Just as Peter says: "The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." (2 Pet 3:9)

Jesus gives us a pattern of salvation when he said to the apostles:
“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” (Mk 16:160
preach the gospel; believe the gospel; be baptised.

You can see this pattern in Acts 2:14-40; 8:5-12; 8:26-38; 34-48; 16:13-15; 16:30-33; 19-1-5
It's common to both Peter and Paul.
 

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Why do you keep pitting Peter against Paul?
It is false.

Moreover your quote does not mention salvation, and is not about how salvation comes about.
"but I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience for an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life." (1Tim 1:16 -RSV).
It's about Jesus' patience.
Just as Peter says: "The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." (2 Pet 3:9)

Jesus gives us a pattern of salvation when he said to the apostles:
“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” (Mk 16:160
preach the gospel; believe the gospel; be baptised.

You can see this pattern in Acts 2:14-40; 8:5-12; 8:26-38; 34-48; 16:13-15; 16:30-33; 19-1-5
It's common to both Peter and Paul.
Paul wasn’t sent of Christ to baptize. He says so himself.
 
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Why do you keep pitting Peter against Paul?
It is false.
That is not the case....I only wish to show that Paul was made our apostle and was given our gospel and to highlight this...Peter was given apostleship to the circumcision and preached the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the circumcision.....that is not our gospel.
 

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That is not the case....I only wish to show that Paul was made our apostle and was given our gospel and to highlight this...Peter was given apostleship to the circumcision and preached the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the circumcision.....that is not our gospel.
Peter came to recognize that the Gentiles were also within the scope of the Gospel's blessing; it's clear in Acts that he did; and in his 2nd Epistle Peter hints that Paul at times understood doctrine more clearly than he did at first.
 

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Paul wasn’t sent of Christ to baptize. He says so himself.

Paul did baptise. he said so himself.
However his main mission was to preach, the first stage. When people came to belief then Paul had assistants who could perform the baptisms - for example Silas when the jailer and his household were baptised; Timothy with Lydia and her household.
 

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That is not the case....I only wish to show that Paul was made our apostle and was given our gospel and to highlight this...Peter was given apostleship to the circumcision and preached the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the circumcision.....that is not our gospel.

There are not two gospels. Paul preached to both Jews and Gentiles, as a did Peter.
Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom - Acts 14:22; 19:8; 20:25; 28:23&31, and there are many more examples in his letters.
 

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Peter came to recognize that the Gentiles were also within the scope of the Gospel's blessing; it's clear in Acts that he did; and in his 2nd Epistle Peter hints that Paul at times understood doctrine more clearly than he did at first.
Yes, God did show Peter the Gentiles would be saved by faith. The gospel the Gentiles believed however, was the gospel of the kingdom.....they believed Jesus was Christ, the Son of God, and that the kingdom on earth was at hand.
There are differences between Peter and Paul:
Peter preached baptism for remission of sins and salvation/Paul preached the cross
Peter preached baptism to receive the Holy Spirit/Paul preached the Spirit upon belief
Peter preached their sins would be blotted out when Christ comes again/Paul preached forgiveness now
 

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Yes, God did show Peter the Gentiles would be saved by faith. The gospel the Gentiles believed however, was the gospel of the kingdom.....they believed Jesus was Christ, the Son of God, and that the kingdom on earth was at hand.
There are differences between Peter and Paul:
Peter preached baptism for remission of sins and salvation/Paul preached the cross
Peter preached baptism to receive the Holy Spirit/Paul preached the Spirit upon belief
Peter preached their sins would be blotted out when Christ comes again/Paul preached forgiveness now
No, the Holy Spirit came to the church at Pentecost and individually thereafter when ppl believed; not at baptism. In Acts 2.41 ppl were baptized because they were believers, having 'gladly received his word'; they were not baptized supposedly to become believers.
 
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Yes, God did show Peter the Gentiles would be saved by faith. The gospel the Gentiles believed however, was the gospel of the kingdom.....they believed Jesus was Christ, the Son of God, and that the kingdom on earth was at hand.
There are differences between Peter and Paul:
Peter preached baptism for remission of sins and salvation/Paul preached the cross
Peter preached baptism to receive the Holy Spirit/Paul preached the Spirit upon belief
Peter preached their sins would be blotted out when Christ comes again/Paul preached forgiveness now

If you are going to make claims like than then can you back them up with scripture otherwise they are just baseless opinions.
 

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No, the Holy Spirit came to the church at Pentecost and individually thereafter when ppl believed; not at baptism. In Acts 2.41 ppl were baptized because they were believers, having 'gladly received his word'; they were not baptized supposedly to become believers.
The church, the body of Christ, was not formed at Pentecost....it was not revealed until Paul.
Pentecost was the fulfillment of prophecy (Acts 2:16).........to give the Spirit to empower the remnant of Israel (which included Gentiles) for the tribulation.
 

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If you are going to make claims like than then can you back them up with scripture otherwise they are just baseless opinions.
Yes, God did show Peter the Gentiles would be saved by faith. The gospel the Gentiles believed however, was the gospel of the kingdom.....they believed Jesus was Christ, the Son of God( see John 20:31 Acts 10:43), and that the kingdom on earth was at hand (see Matthew 3:2).
There are differences between Peter and Paul:
Peter preached baptism for remission of sins and salvation (see Acts 2:38)/Paul preached the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18)
Peter preached baptism to receive the Holy Spirit (again Acts 2:38)/Paul preached the Spirit upon belief (Ephesians 1:13)
Peter preached their sins would be blotted out when Christ comes again (Acts 3:19)/Paul preached forgiveness now (Colossians 1:14)
 

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Yes, God did show Peter the Gentiles would be saved by faith. Yes we are saved by faith, nowhere did God say we are saved by faith alone.

The gospel the Gentiles believed however, was the gospel of the kingdom.....they believed Jesus was Christ, the Son of God( see John 20:31 Acts 10:43), and that the kingdom on earth was at hand (see Matthew 3:2).

Paul preached the kingdom to both Jews and Gentiles as I said before -
"- Acts 14:22; 19:8; 20:25; 28:23&31, and there are many more examples in his letters."

There are differences between Peter and Paul:

There is no difference.
You say "Peter preached baptism for remission of sins and salvation (see Acts 2:38)/Paul preached the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18)"
But Peter preached the cross (Acts 2:38)
And Paul preached baptism for remission (forgiveness) of sins and salvation (Ti 3:5, Acts 22:16, Col 2:11-13)

You say: "Peter preached baptism to receive the Holy Spirit/Paul preached the Spirit upon belief"
But Paul preached receiving the Spirit on baptism (Ti 3:5, Gal 3:27+2Cor 1:22)

You say: Peter preached their sins would be blotted out when Christ comes again (Acts 3:19)/Paul preached forgiveness now (Colossians 1:14)"
But Peter preached forgiveness of sins now (Acts 2:28, 1Pet 3:21)

Both Peter and Paul preached the same gospel.
 

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Paul preached the kingdom to both Jews and Gentiles as I said before -
"- Acts 14:22; 19:8; 20:25; 28:23&31, and there are many more examples in his letters."


There is no difference.
You say "Peter preached baptism for remission of sins and salvation (see Acts 2:38)/Paul preached the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18)"
But Peter preached the cross (Acts 2:38)
And Paul preached baptism for remission (forgiveness) of sins and salvation (Ti 3:5, Acts 22:16, Col 2:11-13)

You say: "Peter preached baptism to receive the Holy Spirit/Paul preached the Spirit upon belief"
But Paul preached receiving the Spirit on baptism (Ti 3:5, Gal 3:27+2Cor 1:22)

You say: Peter preached their sins would be blotted out when Christ comes again (Acts 3:19)/Paul preached forgiveness now (Colossians 1:14)"
But Peter preached forgiveness of sins now (Acts 2:28, 1Pet 3:21)

Both Peter and Paul preached the same gospel.

As to faith alone, you might consider Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Paul preached Christ from the law and the prophets and the mystery to both Jew and Gentile. Paul preached the kingdom of God, but that is not just the kingdom on earth, he did not preach the gospel of the kingdom; the kingdom of God includes the heavenly kingdom, which Paul preached 2 Timothy 4:18.

You cited Acts 2:28.....was this a mistake?

As to 1 Peter 3:21....Peter is saying baptism saves as did Jesus in Mark 16:16. This was for Israel to enter the kingdom on earth.
 

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Both Peter and Paul preached the same gospel.
If they both preached the same gospel why did Paul have to communicate the gospel he preached as seen in Galatians 2:2
 

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As to faith alone, you might consider Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
That does't say faith alone.

Paul preached Christ from the law and the prophets and the mystery to both Jew and Gentile. Paul preached the kingdom of God, but that is not just the kingdom on earth, he did not preach the gospel of the kingdom; the kingdom of God includes the heavenly kingdom, which Paul preached 2 Timothy 4:18.

Paule preached the kingdom.
Jesus preached the kingdom
Peter preached the kingdom

There is only one kingdom with one king - Jesus Christ.

You cited Acts 2:28.....was this a mistake?
Yes, sorry - I meant Acts 2:38


As to 1 Peter 3:21....Peter is saying baptism saves as did Jesus in Mark 16:16. This was for Israel to enter the kingdom on earth.

I quoted that to show Peter preached forgiveness of sins now because forgiveness gives us a clear conscience.
Entering the kingdom on earth is not mentioned in either 1Pet 3:21 or Mk 16:16. It's about how we are saved.
 

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If they both preached the same gospel why did Paul have to communicate the gospel he preached as seen in Galatians 2:2

He went as directed by God to see the apostles. As a commentary explains:

because of a revelation Attests to Paul’s motivation for traveling to Jerusalem. He was responding to God’s direction, not human invitation. He was concerned with aligning his ministry to the Gentiles with the work of the Jerusalem apostles. In essence, he was not the rogue minister that his accusers claimed he was.
laid out to them Paul explained the gospel he preached to the gentiles so the Jerusalem leaders could give approval of his ministry.
Barry, J. D., Mangum, D., Brown, D. R., Heiser, M. S., Custis, M., Ritzema, E., … Bomar, D. (2012, 2016). Faithlife Study Bible (Ga 2:2). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press
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There is no suggestion he was teaching anything different from the apostles.
 

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1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Peter and the disciples are not our pattern for salvation.

Paul is our pattern for salvation unto eternal life.

We are to believe on Jesus Christ. We are to trust in Jesus Christ and believe the gospel that he died for our sins and rose for our justification unto eternal life.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
Act 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

One can not open a locked door without keys.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Jesus didn't give Peter the keys to the gate, he gave the keys to eternal.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
People here on earth are considered to be dead until that believe Jesus.

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
When the dead believeth in Jesus they shall never die.

Do you believe?

Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.