OUR PATTERN FOR SALVATION

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Mungo

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In regard to Acts 22:16
Paul was not preaching baptism here....Ananias was the one baptizing Paul, he was devout to the law
Scripture does not state why Paul was baptized, only that he submitted.

Ananias was sent by God. Why would God send some to baptise Paul if it was irrelevant?
Moreover the baptism was to was to wash away (forgive) Paul's sins, Just as Peter said in Acts 2:38
 

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Colossians 2:12 says that this is a spiritual baptism not through water but faith...."faith of the operation of God"

It doesn't say spiritual baptism and I see no need to try and twist scripture to introduce it.
Jesus tells us that both faith and baptism are required for salvation.
Mk 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
Believe Jesus.
 

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That is not the case....I only wish to show that Paul was made our apostle and was given our gospel and to highlight this...Peter was given apostleship to the circumcision and preached the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the circumcision.....that is not our gospel.
Without recognizing this distinction, there remain these little niggling details that people have such a difficult time understanding. Things that fit when writing to Jews, that don't fit when writing to Gentiles, and vice versa.

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Mungo

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Look at Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Paul was preaching the gospel of the grace of God to Jew and Gentile. It was to the Jew first Romans 1:16....also, look at Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Paul going to the Jew first would be in keeping with the Jew first.

Yes, Paul preached one gospel to both Gentiles and Jews. The same gospel that Peter preached and more importantly that Jesus preached.
 

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Still doesn't say what Peter said was for Israel only in Acts 2:37-42.
Peter says "or the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him."
That is like saying we should build an ark...it does not say ONLY Noah should build the ark.
 

Doug

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The NAB has a helpful translation of Ti 3:5
"not because of any righteous deeds we had done but because of his mercy, he saved us through the bath of rebirth and renewal by the holy Spirit". If you look at the Greek bath of rebirth is more accurate because the word translated by the NAB as bath is loutron (Strong 3067) which is literally a bath.
Yes, wonder why people say these translations other than the KJV do not affect doctrine?
 

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Ananias was sent by God. Why would God send some to baptise Paul if it was irrelevant?
Moreover the baptism was to was to wash away (forgive) Paul's sins, Just as Peter said in Acts 2:38
Never said it was irrelevant, all scripture is for us, not all to us. In Scripture nothing is recorded where Ananias was told to stop baptizing under the ministry given to Peter and the twelve and the disciples.
I know of no scripture that comments on this so neither will I, anything would be opinion and speculation.
 

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It doesn't say spiritual baptism and I see no need to try and twist scripture to introduce it.
Jesus tells us that both faith and baptism are required for salvation.
Mk 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
Believe Jesus.
Ok you say Mark 16:16 is for you....what about Mark 16:17-18 ?
Do you have all these signs?
 

Mungo

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In KJV it is 2098
Which translation are you using?

I mostly use the RSV, but Strong numbers I get from the Greek Interlinear from Scripture 4 All. It says the Greek is from the "Scriveners Textus Receptus 1894 (Basis of KJV / AV translation)"
 

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Yes, wonder why people say these translations other than the KJV do not affect doctrine?

Are you a KJV only fanatic?
I don't consider it a good translation.
 

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I mostly use the RSV, but Strong numbers I get from the Greek Interlinear from Scripture 4 All. It says the Greek is from the "Scriveners Textus Receptus 1894 (Basis of KJV / AV translation)"
I looked up Galatians 2:2 in the RSV and in the blue letter online Bible the phrase the gospel is still Strongs #2098
 

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Still doesn't say what Peter said was for Israel only in Acts 2:37-42.
Peter says "or the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him."
In Acts 2:22 Peter is talking to Israel "Ye men of Israel, hear these words"
You are saying that even if it is plainly stated Peter was identifying his audience as Israel, the assertion is this scripture is generic and can be applied to anyone; therefore, based on this scripture being generic, all scripture would have to be as well. Under this assertion Genesis 6:14 which says "Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch." would not exclude you from making an ark, since this scripture doesn't say it was only for Noah.
 

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Are you a KJV only fanatic?
I don't consider it a good translation.
Only pointing out the correct Strongs number.
I am still curious about you saying Mark 16:16 in post #42 is for you, if it is, do you have all the following signs listed in Mark 16:17-18
 

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I looked up Galatians 2:2 in the RSV and in the blue letter online Bible the phrase the gospel is still Strongs #2098

Strong 2098 is euaggelion: good news - i.e gospel.
 

Mungo

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In Acts 2:22 Peter is talking to Israel "Ye men of Israel, hear these words"
You are saying that even if it is plainly stated Peter was identifying his audience as Israel, the assertion is this scripture is generic and can be applied to anyone; therefore, based on this scripture being generic, all scripture would have to be as well. Under this assertion Genesis 6:14 which says "Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch." would not exclude you from making an ark, since this scripture doesn't say it was only for Noah.

Peter says "every one whom the Lord our God calls to him."

Interestingly at Mass today the first reading was from Rom 8
In vs 30 Paul says "And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified."

Both Peter and Paul refer to those God calls and God doesn't call people to different paths to him. There is only oen that is through Jesus Christ and the New Covenant.
 

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I am still curious about you saying Mark 16:16 in post #42 is for you, if it is, do you have all the following signs listed in Mark 16:17-18

Jesus doesn't say that every believer will have all those signs but that they will be present among the believers.