The Ten Commandments—What happened?

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Why do you list Scriptures but when your abuse of them is debunked, you go on obtruding them as if nothing happened?

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When has my use of the scriptures ever been debunked?

GerhardEbersoehn said:

However, I say it is Scripture: Romans 7:1,2 1 Corinthians 7:9. Are you a member of the Church of Christ? Are you his bride? And He your Husband? And did not YOU STATE JESUS IS THE LAW?

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There is a sense in which Jesus is the law...in another sense (in Romans 7:1-6), we come out from being married to the law to becoming married to Jesus Christ...in this, we are no longer married to the law, according to that scripture.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

So are there countless more Scriptures, JBF, PROVING YOU, are UNDER the Law of God

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Only one scripture is needed to say clearly that the opposite is true for that to be the reality.

And we have such a scripture:

Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

justbyfaith said:

GerhardEbersoehn said: ↑
and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.
NO Greek, it is a copiest's corruption.
You apparently believe that the Lord isn't sovereign, Omnipotent, and loving; so that He would preserve His unadulterated message for the people.

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Saved for reference.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Another I-DEO-logy -- ME GOD talking talker.

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Matthew 12:35-37

justbyfaith said:

Only one scripture is needed to say clearly that the opposite is true for that to be the reality.

And we have such a scripture:

Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

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The day sin will not have dominion over you, that day you won't need Christ anymore, but you'll still be under the Law as ever.

For check up on my prediction, please keep me informed how you progress.

PS:
Paul uses Future Tense; you, use Past Perfect <<we have ....>>. Good luck

Ronald Nolette said:

Well Sabbath is part of teh ten commandments and Sabbath has always been on Saturday! As to your foot being scrioptural, I haven't found it in there as of yet!

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Sabbath has NEVER been on Saturday! No less than nothing wise guy!

GerhardEbersoehn said:

The day sin will not have dominion over you, that day you won't need Christ anymore,

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We will still need Christ because He is the vine from which we draw up the nourishment that we need in our spirit to be able to live holy.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

but you'll still be under the Law as ever.

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And there, you just contradicted the scripture (Romans 6:14)...even though I plainly quoted it to you.

If you do not accept the authority of holy scripture, there is not much that I can do for you.

justbyfaith said:

We will still need Christ because He is the vine from which we draw up the nourishment that we need in our spirit to be able to live holy.

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It's not what I mean and you know it, which shows you are not able to live holy yet and still is under the Law of God.

justbyfaith said:

And there, you just contradicted the scripture (Romans 6:14)...even though I plainly quoted it to you.

If you do not accept the authority of holy scripture, there is not much that I can do for you.

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You are the one saying you're without sin then, making yourself double guilty, first by that totally depraved soul of yours JUST LIKE MINE - and I am a SINNER forgiven only (from my side) BECAUSE I am a sinner. I have the qualification for grace; you have none, boasting you're above God's Law of Sin then die! And Next you're double guilty because you're right now lying saying - claiming - asserting over and over, you're not a sinner under the Law.

Friend, because I am forgiven of all of my sins, my relationship to the law has changed.

I am still a sinner, if the law did apply.

But I am not under the law (Romans 6:14) am dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and am delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).

That only just means that I am forgiven; and that God does not hold against me sins that I commit in violation of the law.

I am still governed by the law (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6); or, rather, I am governed by love that fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).

But I am no longer condemned by it in anything that I do in violation of it.

But this is in conjunction with the following:

Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

If I am led of the Spirit, nothing that I do in violation of the law will condemn me...but it is also true that there is not much that I am going to do that is in violation of the law.

Jesus broke the letter of the sabbath day laws (in John 5:1-18) in order to fulfill a higher law...of loving the people enough to want to see them healed...and since He had the power to heal them, He did not neglect to do so...even on the sabbath, although doing so can be accurately defined as work.

justbyfaith said:

There is a sense in which Jesus is the law...in another sense (in Romans 7:1-6), we come out from being married to the law to becoming married to Jesus Christ...in this, we are no longer married to the law, according to that scripture.

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Paul refers to the contractual document of marriage between male and female as metaphor. He does not say or mean the Law OF GOD whichever however! Another of your abuses of Scripture DEBUNKED superman.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Paul refers to the contractual document of marriage between male and female as metaphor. He does not say or mean the Law OF GOD whichever however! Another of your abuses of Scripture DEBUNKED superman.

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He does in fact refer to the law of God when He says that we are dead to the law (Romans 7:4) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6); and was also referring to the law of God one chapter before when he said that we are not under the law (Romans 6:14).

In Romans 7:1-6, the passage indicates that we are married to the law but that if either we die or the law dies, we are no longer bound to the law and are free to be married to another...to Him who was raised from the dead.

We are in fact governed now by the Spirit of God and His love which is shed abroad in our hearts...which is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within us.

justbyfaith said:

I am still a sinner, if the law did apply.

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Fantasy.
You are still a sinner and the Law does apply as it always did apply for believer and unbeliever, as Romans 6:14 reads: "Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace" the absolute pre-supposition and pre-resolution and prerequisite of the Holy Spirit is THAT THE LAW APPLIES AND THEREFORE ALL ARE UNDER DOMINION OF SIN.

You do have the mental, logical facilities and abilities to understand this-- this post/statement proves you know and understand perfectly, so that you have no excuse: Transgressing the Sabbath Commandment is SIN WITH DEATH PENALTY. Your problem is not with me nor with Scripture. Your problem is with God who cannot be your God and the Jews' God as well -- <<if the law did apply>> "concerning the Seventh Day God thus spoke by the Son" - whether "in times past through the prophets", or, "in these last days by the Son" according to you, CANNOT BE THE SAME GOD!

But you SIMPLY contradict and deny and corrupt and INSULT Scripture FOR ONE SINGLE REASON: NOT TO ACKNOWLEDGE "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD HE RESTED ON FROM ALL HIS WORKS" IN JESUS CHRIST WHOM HE RAISED FROM THE RED SEA OF DEATH AND GRAVE "ON THE SABBATH" ... which WORD the CHURCH so well comprehended that she had to CORRUPT THE TEXT OF IT in order to PROCLAIM: "on the First Day" instead. You still think the Law does not apply against LIES and MURDER of God's WORD?! You view lying and murdering God's Written Word, is no sin? That if the Law did not apply the Church wouldn't be a League of robbers and idolaters?

GerhardEbersoehn said:

Transgressing, the Sabbath Commandment is SIN WITH DEATH PENALTY.

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I can agree with that.

So then, if you are under the law, the death penalty will be applied to you if you picked up sticks on any given Saturday of your life (Numbers 15:32-36); or anything else for that matter: because you worked on the sabbath day; even as a child. If your parents told you to put your toys in your toybox on the sabbath day and you did so, you violated the sabbath and deserve the death penalty.

Fortunately for me, I am not under the law.

Why? Because the holy scripture says so (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6).

But you, since you are attempting to say that I am under the law, it is not lost on me that in order for you not to be a hypocrite you are saying that you yourself are under the law.

Therefore you are under the curse (Galatians 3:10); for if you keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, you are guilty of breaking all of it (James 2:10).

Have you kept the law perfectly, and will you, from conception into eternity?

If so, I'd like to meet you! Because you are the only person I know besides Jesus who is perfect and without sin.

If not, then you are under the curse (Galatians 3:10).

And you have not (Galatians 6:13).

GerhardEbersoehn said:

You are still a sinner and the Law does apply as it always did apply for believer and unbeliever, as Romans 6:14 reads: "Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace" the absolute pre-supposition and pre-resolution of the Holy Spirit is THAT THE LAW APPLIES AND THEREFORE ALL ARE SINNERS IN NEED OF GRACE.

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I think you're a little bit mixed up. That verse says the opposite of what you think it says.

justbyfaith said:

He does in fact refer to the law of God when He says that we are dead to the law (Romans 7:4) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6); and was also referring to the law of God one chapter before when he said that we are not under the law (Romans 6:14).

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How many times more ... Romans 6:14 implies the LAW INTACT exists and applies one hundred %.

"WE" - "WE, are dead to the Law" Romans 7:4, not the Law is dead!!

According to Romans 7:6 we are delivered NOT from the law, but, "Being dead WHEREIN WE WERE HELD = SIN, we were discharge from the Law WE-having-died to that in which we were held fast = SIN." -- We are not dead to the Law; according to this text "We-being-DEAD : WE-having-died to that in which we were held fast = SIN."

justbyfaith said:

So then, if you are under the law, the death penalty will be applied to you if you picked up sticks on any given Saturday of your life (Numbers 15:32-36);

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How <mixed up> are YOU! Numbers 15:32-36 is not the Fourth Commandment.

Numbers 15:32-36 is the Law against picking up sticks on the Sabbath in the Arabian deserts where sticks were scarcer than gold and fire on Sabbath Days as useless as gold and going out under the sweltering sun was sheer taunting of Almighty God who led Israel out of the Land of Darkness.
So what I’m saying is what you would have done were you under the same circumstances under the New Covenant you would have taunted the LORD GOD no different than Israel did.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

How many times more ... Romans 6:14 implies the LAW INTACT exists and applies one hundred %.

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It says that we are not under the law...therefore it does not apply.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

"WE" - "WE, are dead to the Law" Romans 7:4, not the Law is dead!!

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Both we are dead to the law and the law is dead...that being dead wherein we were held = the law.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

According to Romans 7:6 we are delivered NOT from the law, but, "Being dead WHEREIN WE WERE HELD = SIN, we were discharge from the Law WE-having-died to that in which we were held fast = SIN." -- We are not dead to the Law; according to this text "We-being-DEAD : WE-having-died to that in which we were held fast = SIN."

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See above.

Also, the verses together (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, and Romans 7:6) indicate that we are not under the law, are dead to the law, and are delivered from the law.

This would mean that it no longer applies to us unto condemnation.

That is the same concept as saying that we are forgiven of past, present, and future sins.

Does the law apply in any sense? Of course it does (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk according to the love of the Lord (Romans 5:5, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:22-23, Romans 3:21).

However, there is no more any condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1-a, John 5:24 (kjv)).

This means that if we blow it and end up violating the law, we are forgiven.

As those who have the love of the Lord shed abroad in our hearts (Romans 5:5), we have a desire to obey God's commandments (1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

However, there is forgiveness with Christ should we fail to keep them (1 John 2:1).

GerhardEbersoehn said:

How <mixed up> are YOU! Numbers 15:32-36 is not the Fourth Commandment.

Numbers 15:32-36 is the Law against picking up sticks on the Sabbath in the Arabian deserts where sticks were scarcer than gold and fire on Sabbath Days as useless as gold.

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Numbers 15:32-36 is speaking of the application of the sabbath day laws (the 4th commandment) as it applied to the man who was picking up sticks on the sabbath.

GerhardEbersoehn said:

So what I’m saying is what you would have done were you under the same circumstances under the New Covenant you would have taunted the LORD GOD no different than Israel did.

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No, I actually do my best to obey sabbath laws and food laws also.

I do this not because I would be condemned if I didn't (see Romans 14:22 (kjv)); but in order to bear with the weaknesses of my weaker brothers and sisters in the Lord (Romans 15:1).

justbyfaith said:

because you worked on the sabbath day; even as a child. If your parents told you to put your toys in your toybox on the sabbath day and you did so, you violated the sabbath and deserve the death penalty.

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Pure BS.