Will you enjoy Heaven knowing your mother, sister, son, etc., are suffering in Hell?
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Nancy
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Yes, I do recall that verse. Here is another that I was trying to remember and just now did (maybe someone else already did, did no check all the posts, sry)
Isaiah 65:17
“For behold, I create new heavens
and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind."
Now that is comforting
Waiting on him
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Waiting on him
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Reminds me of this,Yes, I do recall that verse. Here is another that I was trying to remember and just now did (maybe someone else already did, did no check all the posts, sry)
Isaiah 65:17
“For behold, I create new heavens
and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind."
Now that is comforting
2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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Yes, I do recall that verse. Here is another that I was trying to remember and just now did (maybe someone else already did, did no check all the posts, sry)
Isaiah 65:17
“For behold, I create new heavens
and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind."
Now that is comforting
Was about to say the same as @Waiting on him except with the verse before it.
2 Corinthians 5:16-17 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
What does that mean ‘we have know Christ after the flesh, yet now here forth know we him no more.’ Is Christ after the flesh?
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it would seem ‘no problem, right?’ That isn’t too inconceivable when ‘go enjoy your heaven while your mother, sister, son etc suffer hell and torment today’ seems to be the message today. An example: there is a man who goes to missions over seas...leaving his wife in an drug addiction and wasting away and his son with unresolved ‘you do not measure up and never will, son’ and a grandson abandoned by a grandmother, by a father, and then also a by grandfather so he can travel far away to serve God. Where he obtains a new wife, a new son and new family and a good name, enjoying his heaven while those in the past suffer hell and torment. ‘No problem, right’?
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Grailhunter
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This is a short statement so I am not going to read to much into it. lol
99% of souls on earth....any religion....any time period?
Did you intend for this to be a utopian or universal Salvation statement?
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Do you believe that God created us in his image only for many of us to suffer for eternity in Hell?
historyb
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Why should I brother being a Christian then? There is only one way to get in God's house and that is through Christ not anyway we want. If your right than the most stupid thing we could do is be Christians.
Grailhunter
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I would say that I am kinda inclined to believe what Christ said.
Wrongful actions with no ramifications or accountability would lead to anarchy. No reason to teach morals do whatever you want, it all end up the same....No punishment, no discipline....You would think that federal prisoners would like that sort of thing, but not entirely true, they to have children that they do not want people killing them just for fun. The whole concept is irrational.
Matthew 25:46
“And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
2 Thessalonians 1:9
They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
In flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
Luke 3:17
His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 18:8
And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Matthew 3:12
His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Revelation 14:9-11
And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
And there are a few more
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Pertaining to the topic: what is our Hope? Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
several verses pertaining to Hope, but (imo) Matthew 5:45-47 says a lot: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others ? do not even the publicans so?
which (again an opinion) tells us God does far more than love them which love Him, but goes beyond and further towards even those which hate Him and are without.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God,..
2 Corinthians 5:14-18 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. [16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
We judge in that one died for all, then all were asleep, and that he died for all, then those that wake out of sleep should awake unto righteousness and Light.
1 Thessalonians 4:12-15 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing. [13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Even those which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him. Question is how many sleep in Jesus? How many are awake unto Christ?
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
maybe none of that makes sense ...but there is a hope for my mother, for my brother, for Many who others say there is evidence of hope for them. ‘hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?’ He goes on to say you have need of patience for this Hope.
several verses pertaining to Hope, but (imo) Matthew 5:45-47 says a lot: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others ? do not even the publicans so?
which (again an opinion) tells us God does far more than love them which love Him, but goes beyond and further towards even those which hate Him and are without.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God,..
2 Corinthians 5:14-18 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. [16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
We judge in that one died for all, then all were asleep, and that he died for all, then those that wake out of sleep should awake unto righteousness and Light.
1 Thessalonians 4:12-15 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing. [13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Even those which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him. Question is how many sleep in Jesus? How many are awake unto Christ?
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
maybe none of that makes sense ...but there is a hope for my mother, for my brother, for Many who others say there is evidence of hope for them. ‘hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?’ He goes on to say you have need of patience for this Hope.
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April_Rose
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Are you saying if you believe in Jesus your whole entire household will be saved because of it,.. or if you're entire household believes in Jesus you'll be saved?
I don't believe in Jesus because I'll go to Heaven,.. I mean sure they go together but I believe in Jesus and Heaven separately just because I do. I don't really find that stupid. Anyways,.. to answer the OP's question,.. I think that we'll all be so happy in Heaven that we won't have the thought process of thinking about anything unhappy if we don't have certain relatives with us and it will be their own fault if they don't repent.
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