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Reggie Belafonte

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Maybe it would of been best for the world to just not bother with covid at all and just let it do it's thing that it was created for ? ok that sounds nasty and stupid directly, but one must also think of a bigger picture, I think it's a game that's being played out, then what if they release another tweaked version of the same. could we deal with that in all that it would cover.

Then when we look at such, one may ask why did we go down this path ? now you can buy the Governments position, that's fine and everyone knows this position, but is it more to that than meats the eye ?
Not everyone should have to swallow the Government line totally, as if they are the only subject that must be believed, like do we all have to have 100% faith in our Governments ? is it like, don't question them at all or else !
Sure everyone knows the position of the Governments, but I don't trust them.
Our QLD Premier is a moron, a backward idiot dictating so much crap, we have people out in the sticks that do not need the likes of her at all pushing them around like she has done.
 

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Thought I'd do a little arithmetic. Not that difficult, the numbers are freely available. You fellas figure out if these numbers reflect a genuine threat, or whether this whole scenario was nothing more than an exaggerated spin by government with the help of a compliant media for the purpose of fulfilling at this time some undisclosed agenda.

So far, 20,076 confirmed cases of covid in Victoria. 26,942 in the whole of Australia!
Interestingly, those 20,076 confirmed cases arose from, so far, 2,593,744 tests! That's 0.8% of the whole number of tests testing positive for covid.
The actual deaths, being currently 771, is but 0.029% of those tested positive, and only .01% of the population.
All the above figures come from the Australian official government source.
Are these numbers really reflective of a dangerous threat?
 

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Today Dan our Premier did his 100th press conference in a row. Now that's a really good effort in fighting to get the covid-19 numbers down and keeping us up to date. Whether you like him or not, he sure is a hard worker.

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Every dog has his day...
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And yet your communist regime had the audacity of sending people like myself to prison for non-criminal matters...

Rot in hell Daniel Andrews...
I hope u rot in hell...
 
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The omnibus bill... The dictator, Daniel Andrews is trying to pass a new law which allows authorities to detain a person indefinitely if they are suspected of being a risk to the community including conspiracy theorists...

So now you can get locked up for as long as they want without trial and without you even having committed a crime... In the novel 1984 they have the "thought police" which punish you for thinking against the narrative... Well this takes it to a whole new level... Now we have the "thought thought police" who can lock you up if they think that you are thinking of breaking the rules


And the stupidest thing is that communist lefties, who have had to sacrifice nothing, will continue to stand by Dan.
They will continue to hold onto any kind of justification regardless of how inhumane and evil their beloved left wing becomes...

Whats next... In the Philippines a man was shot dead for not wearing a mask... The president has ordered his police to shoot dead anyone who is not wearing a mask because they are "murdering" people...

The sad thing is that many people will blindly follow and support anything they do, including locking people up without trial and killing them...
 
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But if you are sprouting BS to everybody else, you are a threat to everyone else and as such you should be restrained from your verbal diarrhoea, to protect you and everybody else from harms way, whatever that may mean. How that restraint is imposed is not up to me or you to determine.

During a war, people with contrary views are locked up for the good of the nation, to overcome the adversary coming against us. An adversary within our ranks cannot be tolerated.

At present there are no constraints on or validation of what people are publishing as their so called "truths." Sadly, many people are believing what people are publishing on the internet and acting accordingly. They sadly have no filter to discern the garbage from the true facts.

As for Daniel Andrews, it appears that his time is going to be shortened soon, because of his inability to admit that some things could have been done better.

But to judge that his responses to the Covid19 pandemic were wrong at this present time is short sighted because not enough time has passed to make a call on that as that judgement can only be made 20 or so years out from the present time.

Politicians will tell us that they acted in good faith in the belief that they were acting appropriately, but it requires time for reflective consideration on their actions many year after they have left office before we can discern whether or not they were good for our respective states or country.

So often it is a game to those who oppose the respective governments of the day.
 

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The omnibus bill... The dictator, Daniel Andrews is trying to pass a new law which allows authorities to detain a person indefinitely if they are suspected of being a risk to the community including conspiracy theorists...

So now you can get locked up for as long as they want without trial and without you even having committed a crime... In the novel 1984 they have the "thought police" which punish you for thinking against the narrative... Well this takes it to a whole new level... Now we have the "thought thought police" who can lock you up if they think that you are thinking of breaking the rules


And the stupidest thing is that communist lefties, who have had to sacrifice nothing, will continue to stand by Dan.
They will continue to hold onto any kind of justification regardless of how inhumane and evil their beloved left wing becomes...

Whats next... In the Philippines a man was shot dead for not wearing a mask... The president has ordered his police to shoot dead anyone who is not wearing a mask because they are "murdering" people...

The sad thing is that many people will blindly follow and support anything they do, including locking people up without trial and killing them...
How many businesses is he set to destroy in all this is truly the biggest issue. are we truly at war with such Communist that plan to attack our way of life. running up a crash to the economy that the public have no idea of what's hell is truly coming their way, that they will wish that they were dead because they are going to loose everything that they have, inflation has to kick in some where, that's what it looks like to me, we are being set up and millions will die due to starvation if the economy crashes and we go into another great depression. I think we are being set up for such. so the communist will gain power.
 

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But if you are sprouting BS to everybody else, you are a threat to everyone else

I'm sorry Jay. I like you're "Try to see the best in people" approach - even though I disagree with much of what you have said on this topic I can see you have a positive outlook.

But I'm very concerned regarding your thought pattern - some of what you are saying seems straight out of CCP's handbook.

If I might ask - who decides who's sprouting BS? Who decides what's dangerous? Our doctors? Because they're gagged at the moment. Scientists? They're telling us something else? Or our government? We are under more control than ever before in all these departments.

Please remember - we are not at war with another nation. That illustration simply doesn't apply. People's concerns about what's happening and where we're being lied to are not traitorous actions and not deserving of criminal convictions.

If it's being worried about damage - the question is damage to who? Last week my wife was notified of yet another friend who has committed suicide during this lockdown time here in Victoria. The the damage from pointless decisions that are causing such heartache doesn't seem to be of concern.

Rather - would you please consider another possibility - that with Dan it has always been about control (well before COVID) - and this is just another power grab.

Please consider that we are under a draconian premier - and this is not recent. For a long time now he has made moves to take more freedom of speech and actions away from people - well before COVID. Just that with COVID he's found the means to accelerate that significantly.

If we sit back for a moment, ignore all this and accept what the government is telling us as truth - even that prospect is extremely frightening: We have a situation where no one has any idea on who's running the state because decisions are being made that apparently no one knows who made those decisions! An unknown and unaccountable entity that is running our state!

Well - maybe the government is lying then (but that would be a conspiracy theory - possibly not permitted to be considered under that bill if passed) but even if this was to be the case - that would mean the real truth must be scarier than that for them to cover up the truth with that story, and now that won't be allowed to be uncovered under conspiracy laws.

These are actions we expect in China, not Australia.

Daniel simply has no end. If this law gets past, then what is next? Because their will be a next, and another, and another. He is out of control. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and that is what we are witnessing before our eyes.

Looking back - please reflect on the previous fruit of who you are defending - that we currently have a premier who has introduced law after law against truth - against God and His people. Under the recent Labour government - more recent laws we now can't speak truth if it's offensive (religious vilification act). We can't help/support those with gender dysphoria - that's considered BS and dangerous 'conversion therapy'. Even praying with people in those situations now is questionable as being illegal. Let's not mention murder - whether it be for the sick, or unborn.

And now we're headed in a direction where we can't consider any possibility other than what the government dictates to us as being truth because that will be a 'conspiracy theory' and he is pushing to have the power to dictate what is truth and B.S.

Yet out of all this - none of that concerns me too greatly. I'm aware that Satan's people will follow his leading. We are entering a time where this will occur more and more, and we will have more freedoms lost. That's happened in the past, and we're headed their again. He, and many others are simply serving their master.

What has compelled me to write this post is what I'm really concerned about - and that is when I see Christians defend, support and try to justify these decisions, and those that continue to bring in these anti-Godly laws. You may not agree with the mocking and hatred that we see from some in Victoria via news and other outlets that Dan is getting - I support you with that. Mocking is not a Godly attribute either, neither is hate and we're to pray for our leaders, and love our enemies.

But - I would though urge you to please reconsider who and what you choose to defend, support or justify. These are not innocent and harmless actions that are being brought in. Please consider who Dan is really serving, and what his end goal really is with these bills because I suspect it's sugar coated on the top to disguise the evil underneath.
 
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I'm sorry Jay. I like you're "Try to see the best in people" approach - even though I disagree with much of what you have said on this topic I can see you have a positive outlook.

But I'm very concerned regarding your thought pattern - some of what you are saying seems straight out of CCP's handbook.

If I might ask - who decides who's sprouting BS? Who decides what's dangerous? Our doctors? Because they're gagged at the moment. Scientists? They're telling us something else? Or our government? We are under more control than ever before in all these departments.

Please remember - we are not at war with another nation. That illustration simply doesn't apply. People's concerns about what's happening and where we're being lied to are not traitorous actions and not deserving of criminal convictions.

If it's being worried about damage - the question is damage to who? Last week my wife was notified of yet another friend who has committed suicide during this lockdown time here in Victoria. The the damage from pointless decisions that are causing such heartache doesn't seem to be of concern.

Rather - would you please consider another possibility - that with Dan it has always been about control (well before COVID) - and this is just another power grab.

Please consider that we are under a draconian premier - and this is not recent. For a long time now he has made moves to take more freedom of speech and actions away from people - well before COVID. Just that with COVID he's found the means to accelerate that significantly.

If we sit back for a moment, ignore all this and accept what the government is telling us as truth - even that prospect is extremely frightening: We have a situation where no one has any idea on who's running the state because decisions are being made that apparently no one knows who made those decisions! An unknown and unaccountable entity that is running our state!

Well - maybe the government is lying then (but that would be a conspiracy theory - possibly not permitted to be considered under that bill if passed) but even if this was to be the case - that would mean the real truth must be scarier than that for them to cover up the truth with that story, and now that won't be allowed to be uncovered under conspiracy laws.

These are actions we expect in China, not Australia.

Daniel simply has no end. If this law gets past, then what is next? Because their will be a next, and another, and another. He is out of control. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and that is what we are witnessing before our eyes.

Looking back - please reflect on the previous fruit of who you are defending - that we currently have a premier who has introduced law after law against truth - against God and His people. Under the recent Labour government - more recent laws we now can't speak truth if it's offensive (religious vilification act). We can't help/support those with gender dysphoria - that's considered BS and dangerous 'conversion therapy'. Even praying with people in those situations now is questionable as being illegal. Let's not mention murder - whether it be for the sick, or unborn.

And now we're headed in a direction where we can't consider any possibility other than what the government dictates to us as being truth because that will be a 'conspiracy theory' and he is pushing to have the power to dictate what is truth and B.S.

Yet out of all this - none of that concerns me too greatly. I'm aware that Satan's people will follow his leading. We are entering a time where this will occur more and more, and we will have more freedoms lost. That's happened in the past, and we're headed their again. He, and many others are simply serving their master.

What has compelled me to write this post is what I'm really concerned about - and that is when I see Christians defend, support and try to justify these decisions, and those that continue to bring in these anti-Godly laws. You may not agree with the mocking and hatred that we see from some in Victoria via news and other outlets that Dan is getting - I support you with that. Mocking is not a Godly attribute either, neither is hate and we're to pray for our leaders, and love our enemies.

But - I would though urge you to please reconsider who and what you choose to defend, support or justify. These are not innocent and harmless actions that are being brought in. Please consider who Dan is really serving, and what his end goal really is with these bills because I suspect it's sugar coated on the top to disguise the evil underneath.

As I am not a registered voter in Victoria, what I think about Dan Andrews will make no difference to the political scene within the State of Victoria. We too have a corrupt labour Party running our state and your view on what is happening in my state carries little weight.

If you had read my post carefully, I did say that it seems that Teflon coated Dan's days are appearing to be numbered. It is up to the political politics in your state to determine whether or not Dan will survive as a politician in Victoria.

My recent post was in response to the anger being expressed by the poster above.

As for the circumstances we find that Australia is in at present where we have seven states that are doing things their way where the people in five of those states are compliant with the government directives and the relative reported cases in those states is low in comparison with the state of Victoria. Why is that so? Because a number of Victorians are refusing to be compliant with the Vic gov directives and so the people within that core group have a higher rate of contracting the virus than the people elsewhere in the state of Victoria. Because of the selfishness of this core group of people, the impact is made worse for the rest of the people in Victoria as well as the other states of Australia.

As for blaming the Pandemic and the introduced restrictions which have resulted to control the effects of the pandemic for the increased number of suicides within Australia, shows a lack of understanding the root causes for people taking their lives.

I am not in a position to be able to discuss that issue. However it is my view that there are bigger issues than the restrictions that is driving the present increases in people taking their own lives but that is a topic for another thread.

Shalom
 
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Last week my wife was notified of yet another friend who has committed suicide during this lockdown time here in Victoria. The the damage from pointless decisions that are causing such heartache doesn't seem to be of concern.

NOOOO NO NO NO NO NOOOOO...:(:(:( Like my cuz Danny :(:(:( But their lives are completely ignored:(:(:(

I don't think we've ever met b4 or i didn't realize u were from here, same age... How are you going?
People that aren't in Melbourne cannot fully comprehend what has happened and is happening here... I can't seem to describe it without sounding like making things up because no can make this stuff up, its beyond anyone's imagination...

U know, these outsiders sound so heartless sometimes but they have absolutely no idea what they say... They can't possibly imagine this...
They are just passing judgement from afar, without being at all affected by the circumstances. I find it very hypocritical for people who are working to be demanding that others don't...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Some are just tied to the left and will follow where they go regardless of how inhumane they become...

I was born and raised in the north west. My family and friends are spread cross all the north and west. Middle/Lower class, private sector.
We're getting hit hard mate... Everyone i know has been rocked hard and no one has had covid... In fact our hospitals are empty, ive seen them myself. Anyone know how many people are on a ventilator in Australia now??? None...

In a few days Dan was going to let us have some things back like work, travel more than 5km, visit loved ones... But only if the daily cases drop below an impossible 5 per day... So what now... We're staying locked up... And to make it even harder they are cutting some of jobkeeper and jobseeker, thanks a lot... Their cutting it across the whole country at once... How unfair... We are still unable to work...

Anyway stay kool, godspeed and God bless
 

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But if you are sprouting BS to everybody else, you are a threat to everyone else and as such you should be restrained from your verbal diarrhoea, to protect you and everybody else from harms way, whatever that may mean. How that restraint is imposed is not up to me or you to determine.

During a war, people with contrary views are locked up for the good of the nation, to overcome the adversary coming against us. An adversary within our ranks cannot be tolerated.

At present there are no constraints on or validation of what people are publishing as their so called "truths." Sadly, many people are believing what people are publishing on the internet and acting accordingly. They sadly have no filter to discern the garbage from the true facts.

As for Daniel Andrews, it appears that his time is going to be shortened soon, because of his inability to admit that some things could have been done better.

But to judge that his responses to the Covid19 pandemic were wrong at this present time is short sighted because not enough time has passed to make a call on that as that judgement can only be made 20 or so years out from the present time.

Politicians will tell us that they acted in good faith in the belief that they were acting appropriately, but it requires time for reflective consideration on their actions many year after they have left office before we can discern whether or not they were good for our respective states or country.

So often it is a game to those who oppose the respective governments of the day.

I knew it must have been u he was reacting to... LoL... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Lets try and have a civilized conversation... Slowly. Step by step. Brief questions and answers... No need to be rude about it... I din't want to block u , iv never blocked anyone but u have just been antagonizing and hostile from day 1... No need... Unhelpful... So just calm down, be like Christ...Ok

You say that im making false claims... Which ones do you disagree with?
 

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I knew it must have been u he was reacting to... LoL... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Lets try and have a civilized conversation... Slowly. Step by step. Brief questions and answers... No need to be rude about it... I din't want to block u , iv never blocked anyone but u have just been antagonizing and hostile from day 1... No need... Unhelpful... So just calm down, be like Christ...Ok

You say that im making false claims... Which ones do you disagree with?

Most of what you post. There seems to be an expression of anger in your posts about what Dan the Man is doing and your desire to move him on.

Sadly, the people who can vote in the State of Victoria have made their choice of which political party will govern the state during the period between the sequential elections. You are the one who is showing your anger against Dan the Man and people who disagree with you.

I have been posting weekly the stats on the covid19 virus infections as reported by the states and the measure of the introduced control parameters being effective can be seen in all the other states within Australia and the measures imposed by the respective premiers of the states are working except in the State of Victoria.

You have been the leader of the pack, supported by outside influences from elsewhere in the world, who has been raging against the wearing of masks and the social distancing and the travel restrictions, in your state and telling people that they are not working and that they are not needed.

Because their is no active filter on the internet to remove the "fake news," most of what is published as the "true" news is lost within the avalanche of false and misleading articles that people have published on the net to support their habit.

It is up to you to properly articulate your beliefs so that others can study them and verify them from the links that you provide as your "proof" of the truth within your post, for them.

We know that a good lie is always wrapped with some "truth" to make it believable.

While you have been not posting over the last few months or so, the level of raging against Dan the Man has dropped to a point where that was not the norm. It would be good if that was still the case, but because of your rage and anger I know that you will continue your habit and flood this forum with, in your understanding, your "news worthy stories."

I wonder how many people simply skip your posts to lead a quite life within their community.

Shalom
 

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As I am not a registered voter in Victoria, what I think about Dan Andrews will make no difference to the political scene within the State of Victoria.

My post was primarily not about the political scene. It's about Christians so quick to show support, justify and agreeing decisions of the wicked with no understanding of ramifications of such ideologies.

Maybe I misunderstood your post, but as I read it - with the references to war, adversary within our ranks and pointing out we have "no constraints" on what people publish it seems that you are supportive of these laws that will further criminalise anyone who disagrees with Dan. If that is not the case and I have misread - I apologise.
 
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