Hell Fire
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Bible_Gazer
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Imagine again walking over on top of all those under our feet in the Earth hell resting place.
Such a happy place knowing maybe some of those close to us is down there screaming for the rest of our life.
But.....something not right about this.
Will there really be a new earth where no more pain exist anywhere ?
Such a happy place knowing maybe some of those close to us is down there screaming for the rest of our life.
But.....something not right about this.
Will there really be a new earth where no more pain exist anywhere ?
Sorry, I didnt see anything about lava in any of those passages.
Regarding Isaiah, look at the passage. God said those coming to worship Him would look upon the bodies of those who had transgressed against Him. He didnt say anything about war atrocities. As I said, Jesus, in Mark 9, indicates that this is where sinners will go and calls it Gehenna.
Also, the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man isn't about being in lava. It's a judgment against Israel.
Bible_Gazer
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You are undoubtedly not the only one to so vouch for his own ways.
I believe me as well.
Are we really joking?
Blood is for Forgiveness.
Blood of animals, before Jesus.
Profession of Belief is for Salvation.
Level- pit indicates deeper
Division- great gulf
Separation- Comfort/Torments
Glory to God,
Taken
Bible_Gazer
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Blood is for Forgiveness. - yes and also bringing in the new testament
Blood of animals, before Jesus. - yep
Profession of Belief is for Salvation. - yes, part of it
Level- pit indicates deeper - must be hotter ?
Division- great gulf - some great body of water ?
Separation- Comfort/Torments - hell is bad no matter what, unless you think its the grave, RIP
Brakelite
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No, we aren't joking, except for the incontestable irrefutable infallible indisputable part. If I didn't think I was right in those things I accept as truth, I'd accept something else. But that doesn't mean we don't keep searching and be willing to be reachable by others who know better. Nor does it mean we are necessarily wrong.
Brakelite
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Great question. Except I'd put it another way. What does He consume? He consumes everything that is not in harmony with holiness. Not because He goes about deliberately destroying everything He dislikes, but because He is so holy nothing survives in His presence unless it's of the same nature... Which was why we were created in His image and able to walk with Him in the garden. Sin stuffed that up. So in order to walk with Him again we need to get rid of sin. The bible describes those that survive the fire.
KJV Isaiah 33:14-15
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
You don't believe in "eternal" life for Christians? It's the same Greek word for "eternal" punishment.
Matthew 25:41 (ASV)
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:46 (ASV)
46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.
Brakelite
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Brakelite
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The eternal life for Christians comes as a gift. Are you saying sinners receive the same gift? Can they live eternally without that gift?
I have said this before. Eternal punishment is correct. You are trying to make it eternal punishing. There is a big difference.
What? How can you say "eternal life" for Christians is the "same gift" as eternity in Hell? You can't be serious.
Then why does the NT say several times "eternal punishment"? If you are right it would simply say destroyed.
"they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"
So God is gonna cook them for a while until they are done?
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There is another interpretation to annihilation. I almost went with annihilation, but then I realized that sin is spiritual death. So the second death is where people that want to follow the devil can sin forever and ever and thus be tormented by their spiritual death. That way they can keep following the devil and sin forever and ever and become devils themselves.
Brakelite
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Let's take a look at the context of that passage.
KJV Revelation 20:7-15
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The two most significant things about this passage are...
1. It takes place at the end of the thousand years... That's 1000 years after the Resurrection of the righteous and the removal of God's people from the earth to heaven. This takes place at the second coming. So at the end of the millennium all those who are then resurrected, the second resurrection, are sinners. This is what Jesus referred to as the resurrection to damnation. So what happens,? They recognise first where they are. And that everything they had every heard about God, the gospel, sin and judgement, is true. And they are guilty. God showed them why. Their entire lives are played out for all to see. There is left no doubt in anyone's mind that they are being justly condemned. God is completely vindicated in all He had done. They realise that there is only one chance. To take over the throne of God through warfare. The New Jerusalem had just recently touched down upon the earth. It gets surrounded by "gog and magog", and no doubt at the insistence and with the assistance of Satan prepare to attack the city. God then sends fire down which engulfs them in a lake of burning which is unquenchable.
2. This takes place on the earth!!! This hell... This lake of fire... Is not under the earth and there's no-one in it now. It takes place on earth and we who are in the city are witnesses to the destruction. Some are tormented a short time, some a long time. No doubt the devil the longest. But all are punished justly according to their works. And when their time is up, they are burnt up. Ashes.
Does this burn for ever and ever and ever? NO! Because God creates a new heaven and a new Earth: the earth and it's city new Jerusalem become the capital of the universe.
KJV Revelation 21:1, 4-5
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
It is an affront to God to think that He is so powerless that He cannot deal with the sin problem and needs to immortalise it in the form of retribution.
Brakelite
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It's you, not me, who is saying that sinners live for eternity in torment.
Read post#262 and the numerous scriptures that support annihilation and destruction.
Well great! If there is no eternal Hell we can do whatever we want and still have eternal peace.
Bottom line:
"they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"
I wonder how long God will have to cook them until they are well done. Trillions of years maybe?
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