By His Stripes We Are Healed Just Spiritual Healing?

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By his stripes we are healed just spiritual healing?
If this is spiritual, what makes you believe that?


By: Brother Mike


I had just gotten a new radio, and was ready to try it out. I was wanting to listen to some good Christian stations.
I start fiddling with the buttons, and found me one. (A Christian station) I was just in time to hear a sermon from someone, so I kicked back, and got ready to listen.

This man on the radio started his Sermon by telling everyone that He did not want anyone to get upset, but the truth must be preached. He then went right to Isa 53:5

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. (Notice this is Past tense?)


This man went on to say, that this is not physical healing as some believe in great error, but it is just spiritual healing. He then went and talking about his wife dying after much pray, and others that had horrible outcomes. He also said the Hebrew does not say anything about this being physical.

I sat there just amazed that they let someone on the radio like this, but I guess if you pay for the air time, then I guess it's OK. The man never mentioned what "spiritual" help we get, to him it was just spiritual, or a way to scoot it under the rug. Most people that talk like this have no idea how the realm of the spirit operates. They are ignorant of the fact that the spiritual created everything physical, and spiritual law, and things in the spirit greatly effect this physical world.

I started to examine why this so called teacher of the Word believed in the way he did. Most of his points where things that he experienced, and not the Word of God. We walk by faith, not experiences or sight. He also left out the scripture before this one........ I wonder why?

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

I come to find out latter that many say this passage of scripture is just some spiritual healing. How it helps us, they can't really answer.

"A well inner feeling that our salvation is healed from death to life, Knowing that our spiritual corruptness is now healed, that we may have peace with God."

That is the best one I have heard, some not so good.................

We do have a problem here though. We have to break some interpenetration laws to get this set of scriptures into the spiritual healing only category. Lets look at another translation.

Isa 53:4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains--he hath carried them, And we--we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted. YLT

Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy].(2) AMP

Isa 53:4 But it was our pain he took, and our diseases were put on him: while to us he seemed as one diseased, on whom God's punishment had come. BBE

Now the Hebrew word for grief is chŏlı̂y It was translated sickness and disease. Not just some spiritual sickness, not until we get to Isaiah. Since it did not fit our theology, we just changed the word to mean something else.
That is pretty sloppy bible work, yet people do this, Why?

From everything I have heard, it comes down to what people are willing to believe and go after. Not what Scripture does say. I have one time heard someone say this is just spiritual healing without some sob story about someone they know, that did not get healed.

If this is Physical Healing, then many fall way short of having any faith. If Jesus washed our sin away, AND bore our sickness we should do everything possible to resist sickness and disease just like we should resist sin in our life. If Jesus really did carry our sickness also.

Well, we just can't take one scripture and make a party out of it..........................We need some supporting scriptures, We need to compare spiritual with spiritual, and line upon line, else we are going to miss something here.

Lets wonder over to the book of Deuteronomy. What did God say?

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

God said if we do not hearken to his word, then curses come upon us. What curses?? The curse for breaking the Law. It is very evident by the start of Deuteronomy 28 doing as God said, brings blessings. Now God is letting us know what happens if we don't do as he says. God says something very startling here.

Deu 28:22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

Deu 28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

Deu 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

WOW!!!!! Itching, swelling, fever, sickness, botch, Plague, were caused by not obeying God!!!

Notice these things were "UNTIL THOUGH BE DESTROYED" "UNTIL THOU PERISH"
What is missing is God mentioning that any of these things were designed to teach us anything or build our character. God uses sickness for his glory.................. Not according to scripture he don't. (Don't bother with John 9, Jesus never said it was for God's Glory, people read that all wrong.)

According to God, Sickness was punishment for not Obeying him. I did not make this up, I am giving you the scripture.
What would that have to do with Jesus though? Because not only did Jesus Wash our sin away in the precious blood, but he also took the punishment that we deserved!!!!!

This is part of the curse of the Law. It was not just spiritual, but started in the spiritual, by breaking the Word of God, and it brought physical consequences. Jesus Work at the cross was more far reaching than just preventing you and I from Going to Hell. The moment we made Jesus Lord, we have a right to believe he also bore are physical sickness.

To say it is the will of God for you to be sick, is to say what caused sickness on the earth must also be his will. You can't have one, without the other.



So, it must be God's will that you do not obey his Word, if you think it may be his will that you are sick.

However, even the word Salvation............. How did the people back in the times of the Apostles of Jesus hear this word. Paul preached this everywhere he went, or the Gospel of Christ. Paul preached Salvation.

Act 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
Act 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.

Now what do you think Paul was saying that day? I can tell you what he was not saying. He was not saying that you just never know what God is going to do, Sometimes God uses sickness for the greater good. No, Paul was talking about Salvation, the Gospel of Christ, The reason Jesus came. What did those back then hear when the word Salvation was used???

so-tay-ree'-ah
Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally): - deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.

No wonder this man had faith to be healed. Notice this man had to believe something to be healed? Many think that if God wants them healed then God will heal them............... That is not scripture folks.........All things are possible to them that BELIEVE!!!! You have to believe. Just like this man in the book of Acts. This man believed what Paul was preaching, and Paul was not preaching that God wants you sick.

Even so............. sickness came from the curse. God said that, remember? I'll take his word on that. I stated that Jesus took our punishment for what we deserved.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

No wonder Jesus had such a big Healing ministry. He was setting forth the example of what it should be, and things to come. He was about to go to the cross and pay the price for everything that disobedience to God's word could cause in someones life.

Still................... If your not convinced yet, that Isa 53:3-4 also covers our physical healing, then we need someone else to interpret this scripture for us. Lets ask the Holy Spirit, our teacher. How did He interpret this scripture??

Mat 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: (notice the word ALL?)

Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

That is physical healing folks, Out from the Holy Spirit Himself. He should know, He was the one that Gave Isaiah the scripture for Isa 53:3-4.

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Praise the Lord for you Brother Mike! I was having a real bad day with my eye illness and letting the enemy put thoughts in my head that I'm foolish to believe that the Lord is going to heal me and you slapped me across the face with your posts and sat me right back down in the seat of obedience and faith. I continue to believe that by Jesus Christ's stripes I was healed and I know my healing will come! Praise Jesus Christ for healing my sickness and I wait for you mighty Lord to deliver my healing, for I know even now you are healing me!
 

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Robster:

I was having a real bad day with my eye illness

If you believe what I have written on top, and Jesus did really bore our sickness, then is that your eye illness, or is it something the devil is just trying to get you to accept?


I call my eyes strong, and well. I call my eyes perfect as God made them to be. I call my eyes the healed, and I call them well. Jesus said that I will have what I say (Mark 11:23) I say I am the healed and not the sick. Jesus said all things are possible to those that believe, I believe, and my faith gets stronger and stronger as I learn more, and trust in the Word. I am not moved devil by how I feel, I am not moved if my eyes seem worse, I am only responding and being moved by what I believe, and I believe that Jesus, my Lord bore my sickness, and took away the punishment I deserved, and I can boldly claim that by My Lords stripes I am healed. I don't base truth on how I feel, and base truth in What my God said, I am only moved by what I believe, and I fully believe the Word of God.


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I too believe in the Word of God and I believe that this mysterious eye illness that has all my doctors telling me that I need a miracle to heal it, will get just that according to the Lord's time. I believe I am healed by His stripes and that at this moment, he's healing me and the full healing will come, no matter what my doctors tell me. Months ago I didn't believe that Brother Mike, but I believe it now. And I believe that I'm finally cracking the faith barrier when it comes to the healing promises and scriptures contained in the Bible.
 

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My wife read this and she is shouting with you brother...............


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Well let God double and triple His blessing over you and your wife. Thank you for having the patience and willingness to discuss a topic with a divided view among many Christians. You've made the case for healing and I'm warning everyone on this board...at some point in the near future I WILL BE STARTING A THREAD SHARING MY JOY THAT THE MIGHTY LORD HAS SHOWN ME HIS GLORIOUS MERCY AND HEALED THESE EYES. And you better believe I'm going to all of my western doctors to tell them that the impossible happened and that the cure for my problem was Jesus Christ! Praise the Lord for He is awesome and I'm ashamed I don't have better ways to describe how great this God we serve truly is! I'm ready for my complete healing when ever you are ready Big Fella ^
 

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Now your getting me excited............................!!!!

Just listen to the Healing series, and pump yourself with the Will Of God to heal. Get all the info you can. The devil will fight you with this one, so have some scripture ready to Whack him over his horned head.

Also Christians will challenge you on this one, because they just not have put the time and effort into study. So get filled up brother.

More Word, More Power.


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Now your getting me excited............................!!!!

Just listen to the Healing series, and pump yourself with the Will Of God to heal. Get all the info you can. The devil will fight you with this one, so have some scripture ready to Whack him over his horned head.

Also Christians will challenge you on this one, because they just not have put the time and effort into study. So get filled up brother.

More Word, More Power.


Jesus Is Lord

I'm ready to rock Brother Mike. You've pointed me in the right direction with all your help and I have an AK-47 loaded with spiritual bullets, ready to unload on the enemy and Christians for that matter. :lol:
 

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I'm ready to rock Brother Mike. You've pointed me in the right direction with all your help and I have an AK-47 loaded with spiritual bullets, ready to unload on the enemy and Christians for that matter.

:lol: :D Ummm.............Just use rubber bullets for Christians. Most have been taught all their life that It is not God's Will to Heal, or it is not God's Will to heal everyone. They don't understand Healing is not always instant, they have goofy ideas about the subject. There are some you will run into with a Doctrine Called the Sovereignty of God Doctrine.

The Word is not even in the Bible, but many act as if it should be. The best definition for it I found is.

sov·er·eign: having supreme rank, power, or authority.

They ignore scriptures like "Behold, I give you Power to tread on serpents.............(Luke 10:19)

They have no concept that Man has to make a choice also. For example.

1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

Here we are clearly given instruction to ask according to God's will. We are told that if we do ask according to God's will, then we can have confidence that God did hear our prayer.
We have to do something ourselves, we have to know what the will of God is before praying. What happens if we do not know the will of God? Then we can not have the right to have confidence in what we are asking about. We have no bases for Asking.

So, if we ask according to God's will, then we have confidence. The Greek for "Oh, Ye of Little Faith" Such as Jesus said is this...............

ol-ig-op'-is-tos-Strongs
From G3641 and G4102; incredulous, that is, lacking confidence (in Christ): - of little faith.

Thayer Definition:
1) of little faith, trusting too little

So, by not knowing God's will concerning our situation, then any prayer about it would be with little confidence and little faith. You can't have faith for something your not sure you suppose to have. (Heb 11:6)

So, if we do our Part, and find the Will of God, such as Healing, knowing his will concerning healing, and we pray, knowing that will, then we have confidence God heard us.

If we pray, "Lord if it be thy will, please heal me, if not, then give me strength, and I'll just survive because your grace is sufficient for me."

Then we can not have any confidence, we can not be sure God even heard that prayer, and we should not expect to be healed. We did not obey the scripture, and do as we were told to do, and that was know the will of God before praying.

If we do our part, then God will do what he said.....................................

1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

It's not answering Prayer in some mysterious way we don't understand, or won't find out until heaven. It is according to what WE desired. Some have trouble with simple English when it comes to the Bible, but give them a Novel, and they have no issues with reading it, and understanding.

The Sovereignty of God Doctrine is that God does what he wants, when he wants, and to who he wants, despite what the Word says, being ignorant that at the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God.

Psa 138:2
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.



So, even though we know Jesus has never changed and is not a respecter of persons, someone with this Doctrine could care less about what the Scripture says, they say, God does what he Chooses and he may not choose to heal you.

They view God as a human would view themselves as God, being lawless, and not adhering to what he said in the past. This is where the God is mysterious in all his ways come from.

I have sat with several Pastors going over and round and over this very thing. I show them scripture after scripture, and they just blink at me like a Texas Bullfrog in a Hail storm. They agree the scripture is there, but accuse me of not taking into account That God is Sovereign and may not choose to do that for me. (I don't even know why they bother reading God's word in the first place.)

So, before you get loaded up, and start shooting at Peoples Doctrine, you have to be careful who you hit, because there are some that know tons of scripture, and will chew you up, and spit you out.

Most of the time people won't answer my questions about why they don't believe that scripture and don't believe this scripture. They won't address what I am asking, and just get frustrated because they have no answers, and their Doctrine is falling apart. So, I get banned from the forum, or they just stop talking to me.

There are others though, that take hold, and get victory..............

Be blessed.

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WOW Brother Mike, just WOW. With each post you make on this topic of healing I understand things better than before. I'm ashamed to say that for at least 8 months I prayed in the wrong manner. Everything you stated is what has been preached to me for the past 2 months at my church and I refused to understand or believe it. I can't believe that after all thsi time I finally understand the flaws in how I had been praying for healing. It wasn't even with a shred of confidence. Sure the words came out all nice, but there was zero belief, zero faith that the Lord would come through. I say WOW because the understanding of God's will and knowing His will in praying fr healing finally makes sense to me in its entirety! I for one hope you are never banned from this site. The day that happens I'm out of here! You've changed my life just with this Bible study on healing. I know the Big Fella is going to come through and I'm not putting a time table on it either. I accept that the healing will come according to God's will and timing. And I'm not wavering from my confession that by His stripes I am healed. I can't believe that it took until today to understand these healing scriptures with complete understanding. God Bless you for your in depth analysis of this topic. This is awesome! B)
 

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Wonderful read.

God bless you both.

The Cross of Calvary provided healing in every way, for our body, soul and spirit.

Body healing "By His stripes we are healed."
Soul healing "Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows"
Spirit healing "He was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities"

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Wow, brother Mike.....I'm away for a couple of months, and come back to find you still pumping out rubbish! It tickles me abit, how you complain that no one can stand up to your biblical quoting, that they can't answer your questions and get frustrated when they can't back up their "faulty doctrine", and yet if memory serves me, that last time you and I crossed postings, you kept repeating the same few lines, even though I refuted it with many biblical passages and explanations. I cannot quite decide if you are merely foolish, or a wolf. So very many unwell, yet genuine Christians, listen to people like you, and have their faith shaken. Shame on you. What would you imagine Jesus saying to someone like you....attacking the faith of people?

Brother Mike said:
"Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

I come to find out latter that many say this passage of scripture is just some spiritual healing. How it helps us, they can't really answer. "


You are so totally missing the point of this passage, which I notice you hang alot of your ideas. He's talking of Jesus, how the saviour comes as the sacrificial lamb, dying for our sins, in our place, and by His death, he purchases eternal life for those who love Him. You say "how can only spiritual healing help us"? Are you serious??? Thats what its all about!! The world is fallen, sin got it's hold when Adam and Eve rebelled. Until Jesus comes back sin will continue....the greatest evidence of this? Death. The wages of sin is death.....everyone WILL die, why? We ALL sin. You spout how Jesus heals all Christians...how it is GODS WILL that we all be physically healed....how on earth do you figure in death? I will grant you that God does in fact miraculously heal some. But even those people will die. And death comes from.....sickness. I'm sorry, but your argument falls apart there. There is simply no way you can get around the fact that everyone dies from sickness and wear & tear on these sinful bodies.

Brother Mike said:
"If this is Physical Healing, then many fall way short of having any faith."

You presume to know the faith of others, something only God has intimate knowledge of. Of course you also presume to know the full will of God, do you not? It IS God's will to heal everyone, of course it is??? Rubbish. God is infinite....so is his will. You are hardly an infinite being, so even if God did decide to share his plans for everyone/everything with you....not going to happen.

You seem to enjoy basing alot of your argument on Old Testament passages. Deuteronomy, for example. Now I agree that the OT is full of important and relevant teachings, but it is important to keep in mind the whole passage...who it is talking too, about, for, etc. You quote Deut 28. This passage is dealing directly with the old covenant, the laws and apostasty. It speaks to how many hardships are endurable WITH God, but Israel is facing these things without Gods arms about them. It talks about how their former victory will be turned against them. And we do see this throughout the Old & New testaments. Israel turns away from God again and again, and is punished for it. How can you relate a passage about apostate Israel with Christians who are unwell is beyond me. Sure, you say...Christians who are sick have no faith, and is therefore the same thing. WRONG. Christians who are unwell TRUST God....where in the bible does it say that is wrong???? So now you jump on the "Christians who rely on God's sovereignty are nuts" argument.

Brother Mike said:
'There are some you will run into with a Doctrine Called the Sovereignty of God Doctrine.
The Word is not even in the Bible, but many act as if it should be. The best definition for it I found is.
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So you are saying that he is not? You say that sovereign means: having supreme rank, power, or authority. You deny God is/has this? You say this word is not even in the bible....WRONG
Acts 4:24 "And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, "Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them,"
1 Timothy 6:15 "..which he will display at the proper time-he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,.."
Revelation 6:10 "They cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

Even is the word itself had not appeared in the bible, it does not make God less than what he is. The word Trinity is not found in scripture, and yet it undeniably points to a God in three. Or do you deny the trinity....in which case we need to be having an entirely different argument!!

Brother mike said:
"What is missing is God mentioning that any of these things were designed to teach us anything or build our character. God uses sickness for his glory.................. Not according to scripture he don't. (Don't bother with John 9, Jesus never said it was for God's Glory, people read that all wrong.)"

Oh boy, here we go! You know, when we were kids my brother and I would argue...it was so frustrating for me because no matter if I was right, my brother would stubbornly say he was "just 'cause" (he knew it drove me nuts!) You are very much like him Brother Mike. You read the Bible and see everything pointing at something you want so very badly. You say people read John 9 wrong.....well I say you do, and guess what, the majority of Christians would agree with me.
John 9:1-3 "As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. and his disciples asked him. "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him".

This indicates that God in his mysterious and wise providence sometimes allows his children to go through hardship and suffering so that they can experience God's mercy and power in delivering them. It can also be for displaying his glory to others. Think of the people who saw this. The people who witnesses all of Jesus' miracles. Jesus performed them all to glorify God and to fulfill the scriptures...the prophecies of the messiah. (Luke 7:20-23 "And when the men had come to him, they said "John the Baptist has sent us to you, saying 'Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?' In that hour he healed many people of diseases and plagues and evil spirits, and on many who were blind he bestowed sight. And he answered them, 'Go and tell John what you have seen and heard: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, the poor have good news preached to them. And blessed is the one who is not offended by me.'")
When Lazarus died and Jesus raised him from the dead, it is for the Glory of God. And Lazarus died of....sickness!
John 11:1-4 "Now a certain man was Ill, Lazarus of Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. It was Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment and wiped his feet with her hair, who brother Lazarus was ill. So the sisters sent to him, saying 'Lord, he whom you love is ill.' But when Jesus heard it he said. 'This illnes does not lead to death. It is for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified through it."
I think that kinda sums it up....unless you want to twist it or say I'm "reading it wrong".

Brother Mike said:
"To say it is the will of God for you to be sick, is to say what caused sickness on the earth must also be his will. You can't have one, without the other. "


I think this sort of follows the line of reasoning that says "God made satan, so evil is his fault".
Which of course is nuts. God hates evil, He hates sin, but has He used it for good? Yes. Does He use it to bring glory to himself? Yes. Does He use it to bring others to Christ? Most certainly. This comes back to God being Lord of ALL. He IS sovereign (as I have already proven). So if it His will to use my illness for something else...that is His right, and I will bow before Him and Trust Him.

Brother Mike said:
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So, by not knowing God's will concerning our situation, then any prayer about it would be with little confidence and little faith. You can't have faith for something your not sure you suppose to have. (Heb 11:6)"

Hebrews 11 is about "Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen". It talks about how all the great patriachs of the old Testament, obeyed God, had faith in God for ultimate salvation, even though none of them would live to see it or the Saviour. That they pleased God by this faith, this Trust. Once again you presume to know God's will for everyones life. YOU CAN'T. Can we know God's will for our own lives? To some extent. He wants us to come to salvation, accept grace. To grow is wisdom and knowledge of Jesus and God. He wants us to testify, he wants us to love, forgive, and pray. He wants us to trust. What about in specific things? We can pray and read the bible, follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. And honestly that answer may be Yes, No, or wait. Why can't you see that this is about health and healing too. You stubbonly profess to know God's will, and that will is that we all be healed. You CANT know all of God's will.

Brother Mike said:
'So, if we do our Part, and find the Will of God, such as Healing, knowing his will concerning healing, and we pray, knowing that will, then we have confidence God heard us.
If we pray, "Lord if it be thy will, please heal me, if not, then give me strength, and I'll just survive because your grace is sufficient for me."
Then we can not have any confidence, we can not be sure God even heard that prayer, and we should not expect to be healed. We did not obey the scripture, and do as we were told to do, and that was know the will of God before praying.
If we do our part, then God will do what he said.....................................
1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
It's not answering Prayer in some mysterious way we don't understand, or won't find out until heaven. It is according to what WE desired. Some have trouble with simple English when it comes to the Bible, but give them a Novel, and they have no issues with reading it, and understanding. "


According to what WE desired?? Man, the God of the Universe died so you don't have to go to hell. Isnt that enough? Now you demand that he gives you want YOU desire. Haven't you got it yet....ITS NOT ABOUT YOU!! It's about Jesus. It always has been, it always will be. If being healed brings him glory, then thats what happens, if being unwell will bring him glory, then you will be unwell and praise God.

Brother Mike said:
The Sovereignty of God Doctrine is that God does what he wants, when he wants, and to who he wants, despite what the Word says, being ignorant that at the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God.
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I have so many objections to this paragraph I don't even know where to start. You make God sound like a spoilt brat. Things WILL go as God wants them, because He IS sovereign, and that is how it should be. Having a doctrine of God being sovereign is biblical, so quite frankly most of your arguments have fallen through.

Brother Mike said:
"So, before you get loaded up, and start shooting at Peoples Doctrine, you have to be careful who you hit, because there are some that know tons of scripture, and will chew you up, and spit you out. "



You do realise how silly this sounds, right? Be careful....if you find someone who actually knows the bible, you'll look like an idiot because our argument is so flimsy a feather could knock it over.....

Brother Mike said:
"Most of the time people won't answer my questions about why they don't believe that scripture and don't believe this scripture. They won't address what I am asking, and just get frustrated because they have no answers, and their Doctrine is falling apart. So, I get banned from the forum, or they just stop talking to me. "

Well, Brother Mike, I've answered questions, I believe in scripture, I have addressed what you've said, I've got answers, answered based in scripture. My doctrine isn't falling apart and I'm not frustrated! Now, last time we talked you would only answer by putting down exactly what you already had. Try actually addressing some of the issues I've raised huh? Then I'll happily keep talking to you!!

Rach
 

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rach your reply to brother mike will be useless for he has been sent to a place prepared wheather by man or God hes gone with his sister :rolleyes: :D :(
 

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Do you mean that brother mike has passed on??
Well, I didn't know him that well, and I certainly had objections to some of his ideas, but it did seem that he loved Jesus, so i'm sure that even now he is in a better place!

Rach