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Well great! If there is no eternal Hell we can do whatever we want and still have eternal peace.

Bottom line:
"they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

I wonder how long God will have to cook them until they are well done. Trillions of years maybe?
All I can say is you seem to have a very low estimation of the character of God.
 

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No, we aren't joking, except for the incontestable irrefutable infallible indisputable part. If I didn't think I was right in those things I accept as truth, I'd accept something else. But that doesn't mean we don't keep searching and be willing to be reachable by others who know better. Nor does it mean we are necessarily wrong.
Amen!
 

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Great question. Except I'd put it another way. What does He consume? He consumes everything that is not in harmony with holiness. Not because He goes about deliberately destroying everything He dislikes, but because He is so holy nothing survives in His presence unless it's of the same nature... Which was why we were created in His image and able to walk with Him in the garden. Sin stuffed that up. So in order to walk with Him again we need to get rid of sin. The bible describes those that survive the fire.
KJV Isaiah 33:14-15
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
Even so... God does not destroy anything that is in His image. But the Fire will consume us if we are not in His image or any part of us that is not in His image. Remember also the three Hebrews thrown into Nebuchadnezzar's furnace.
 
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All I can say is you seem to have a very low estimation of the character of God.

How so? The fear of God and the wrath of God are two main Bible doctrines.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
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The Hell is Hell, Devoid of God.
To be devoid of Jesus Christ is a curse.
They are a curse on themselves and all around them and when they die they are Lost and they will know that they were not worthy of God, so that's the Hellfire that the Soul will have to endure, they were a curse a blight on this world they rejected Jesus Christ.

I am so happy that I am not of this world and I have come out from among them poor bastards, the deluded and the wolves will reap what they sow.

One must abide in the Vine or one is of Satan. it's about there works, they are happy to go along with this world under the control of Satan.
Many a Christian has two masters and they serve Satan and give claims to god, but Jesus will say that he never knew them, because they did not abide in the Vine that was Jesus Christ in fact.

I seen Cardinal Pell and he does not serve Jesus Christ in fact, I seen such in his works, he serves the Pope and does not abide in the Vine, what a poor bastard, he should of repented to God and spoke the truth and nothing but the truth, he was clearly backing up the system of abuse in fact and never had at one point tried to do a worthy thing in any regards to such abuse. he should of exposed everything totally openly and repented as being a moron at the time, then he may of had hope in regards to God. but no he is clearly content with this world. I thought him one of the good RC Priest before I seen his two faced dribble. he could not make a good confession if his life depended on it. not to mention he is not the worst of them.
 

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Eliminate hell, then eliminate heaven....


Let us party?
No....hell exist, its knowing what it is.
conditions, false religions, and different places.

Life to death is what people face when born.
Life to Jesus is what will bring life with out end.

Party time, I think that will come after the 2nd resurrection and death is know more.
 
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How so? The fear of God and the wrath of God are two main Bible doctrines.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Over the course of this thread I have given you several explanations of how those verses you have been quoting can be understood in light of other scriptures differently to the way you currently hold. Yet not once have you refuted the many scriptures (see post #262) that clearly and unequivocally reveal a different paradigm altogether. I offer you just two for now, and I ask, what do you do with these, one of which is particularly well known and quoted by heart by millions, (but who don't actually believe it) which so obviously support the concept of final destruction for the wicked?
KJV Psalm 92:7
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever...
KJV Matthew 7:13
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.

There is no way of harmonizing these scriptures when cleaving to the false idea of eternal torment.
 
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Level- pit indicates deeper - must be hotter ?
Division- great gulf - some great body of water ?
Separation- Comfort/Torments - hell is bad no matter what, unless you think its the grave, RIP

In Brief:

Grave- caves, earth 6ft, seas; burial place of of dead bodies.

Gen 25:
[9] And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him (Abraham) in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;

Deepest part of Hell: pit/ Fire, Flame, Rising Smoke.

Isaiah 14:
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Rev 9:
[2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace;

• Description OF Hell (via Jesus, while Jesus was present ON Earth)
• WHO was IN Hell. (Saved & Unsaved Souls of men whose Bodies had died and were buried)

Luke 16
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

•(Division, between Saved and unsaved Souls in Hell.
• body's Dead (thy lifetime) buried.
• Living souls, out of Body's Occupying Hell.
• Saved souls in comfort
• unsaved souls in discomfort/ Torments.
• all Living souls IN Hell-
...see, smell, feel, speak, hear <-- senses

^ ^ reveals: mystery (a soul is a man's senses)
Get 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
^ (Man- form/Body created from Dust OF Earth)
and
^ breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Body - Created
Soul into a Body - Body MADE Living, via Senses (soul)

CREATED and MADE ...
Gen 5:
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

^ Reveals, it is the SOUL, that IS the Likeness of God.
• Gen 1:31 Reveals all God CREATED and MADE He called VERY GOOD.
^ Reveals Gods importance emphasis on Saving of the SOUL.
• Scripture reveals man's Body & soul have become Corrupt.
• 23 Psalm reveals God Saving a Soul, IS God Restoring the Soul (Back TO VERY GOOD).

• Jesus is Before/ first in all things.
...Col. 1:17
• Jesus' soul (for 3 days) went to hell as His Body lay in a cave (grave). Jesus Preached.
...Matt 12:40
...1 Pet 3:19
• Jesus revealed, one hanging next to Him, would be with Jesus that day, Jesus called the place, Paradise. That Thief confessed belief, (Indicates, that thief's soul was saved. Saved souls, in Comfort, are in Paradise.)
...Luke 23: 42,43

• Jesus' (The Son of man) Body, Soul, Spirit ascended Back UP to Heaven (returning to FROM whence He came).
John 6:62

Before Jesus, (The Son of man), Was sent TO Earth-
• Souls of the Saved, were held (prison of sorts, they could not Leave, until After Jesus' soul had come AND LEFT) in the comfort side of Hell.
• Saved souls, departed out of Dead Bodies ARE Escorted TO "Paradise" by Angels.
• Unsaved souls, departed out of Dead Bodies are SENT to the Torments (discomfort) OF Hell.
(Both Await Judgement Day).

After Jesus' (Son of man) body, SOUL, spirit, ascended UP TO Heaven:
Scripture reveals: PARADISE: (place where Saved departed SOULS, go), is Henseforth;
IN HEAVEN.

2 Cor 12:
[4] How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Rev.2
[7] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of [/B] the tree of life, [/B] which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

^ Reveals..."The Tree of Life", in Gods Garden, in the Beginning, Offered for Adam to Eat (but didn't at that Time), IS the TREE that sustains, the Life of the Soul....
( indicative: seeing, hearing, touching, speaking, tasting)...Jesus...IS the Tree of Life, that Sustains, keeps alive, the Soul.

Gen 3
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

All men are OFFERED, to Eat from the Tree of Eternal Life. It is there For Them, For their TAKING.

Men WHO reach out and TAKE and "taste"... and Then Reject Eating...
ARE called having TASTED, of the Spirit of God, TASTED Gods Gift of Faith, rejected it, called Fallen FROM Faith.

Men WHO reach out and EAT, Are Called Saved Unto God.
They THEN receive a Quickening of "their spirit", Reborn, BY the SEED of God, called Christ. And Receive the Spirit of God within them, TO KEEP Them Sealed Unto God Only.
The Spirit of God, IS Gods Power, called Light, Called Christ. They Become Accounted, (adopted), sons of God.
Gal 3:16
1 Cor 1:24
Eph 1:5

Those having EATEN, Are Called "IN" Christ.
And that carries "ON" to those who have GIVEN their bodily Life to Death, Crucified, with Jesus. Become Saved Souls, Quickened (Born Again spirits), NOT Subject to Wrath, avoid being ON Earth during the Tribulation.
Raptured, Risen up to the Clouds/Lord.
The Lord- descends to the Clouds...
While the dead Bodys, of souls saved during the Tribulation, wait for the "Son of man" (with Power) to return to Earth and raise their body's up in Glory.
(Primarily ISRAEL/Tribes, accepting Jesus, their Christ Messiah, during the Trib)

Inanutshell-
Paradise/Tree of Life...now IN Heaven
Body's Die, are buried.
Departed Saved souls go to Heaven.
Saved souls are sustained, by the Tree of Life.
The Lord gathers all God has Given "TO Him," (John 17:24),
(IN Christ), "up above" the Disaster On Earth during Trib. ( 1 Thes 5:9 , 1 Thes 4:17)
Trib...Wrath of Lamb, (Rev 6: 16), wrath of the Devil, (Rev 12:12), wrath of God : (Rev 16) ... for rejection.
Souls- Senses
Soul Salvation, Prominate, Necessary for Eternal Life, Restoration to Gods Likeness.
"Son of man" Returns TO Earth, with Power.
Matt 24: 30
Luke 21:27

Glory to God,
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No....hell exist, its knowing what it is.
conditions, false religions, and different places.

Life to death is what people face when born.
Life to Jesus is what will bring life with out end.

Party time, I think that will come after the 2nd resurrection and death is know more.
Hell is on earth?
 

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Hell is on earth?
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
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7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever...
KJV Matthew 7:13
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.

There is no way of harmonizing these scriptures when cleaving to the false idea of eternal torment.

Agree -
Unsaved souls in Hell, are Risen up in their bodies, face their Judge, SEE Him, Bow to Him (fulfilling , Prophecy, all Shall bow to Him),
Judged according to the evidence in the Books/Records.
ONLY LIFE in their Body, IS Their Living Soul.
Their Bodily Life (Blood) Dead at Physical death...
After their bowing, Judgement, comes Sentence, carried out.
LIFE in their SOUL, is Gods Breath AND returns TO God.
The LIFELESS, BODY & Soul destroyed BY Fire.

That concludes, the Consequences for one Offered Salvation but "simply rejected taking" their OFFERED Gift from God-

There are Five other Teachings in Scripture that Relate to Consequences of Souls)
• The Saved soul....and 5 different conditions of some souls.
Saved souls;
God Given particular those--> to Christ Jesus Soul Saved- IN Christ.
Claimed by the Lord- Raptured, before Trib Wrath.
• Five Others-
1)
Those souls Saved during Trib, accept Invite as guest to Wedding Feast.
2)
Those souls who become Saved, but Reject, invitation to Wedding Feast,
3)
Those souls who persecuted Believers
4)
Those souls who promoted Against God.
5)
Those souls who not only Rejected God, But made their Allegience To the Beast, taking his Mark.

In Brief-

1) About- a man who goes BEYOND disbelief himself, BY himself "preaching, teaching, promoting, encouraging, Disbelief."
- They Do appear to have the consequence of "eternal torment".
Which "BY Speculation", reasonably seems, their awareness (senses), via Life from God, in their soul, maybe Remains in their soul, in hells Fire pit ) ??
(We are advised it is Very Grievous To God for Men to Promote to other men, to BE Against God).

2) About Gods cup of Indignation, coupled with His Wrath, nearing the End of the Trib, ( Gods Revenge, UPON those who persecuted Believers) , Appears to be, upon only the Remaining on Earth, taking the Allegiance to Satan, mark of the Beast. (Their Body's and souls), before their Body is killed and soul cast to Hell, to wait Judgement after -1,000 yr reign).

3, 4, 5) The Kings Son, prepared for marriage- the Son has collected His Bride (according to Jewish Tradition), the Bride is prepared for marriage and Veiled, waiting to See her groom/husband.
(^ regarding the Raptured IN Christ)
The Father of the Son seeing NOT all guests have arrived- Sends Servants- to the city- to notify them of His Sons Wedding- and Prepared Feast, invites them. Many decline.
The Father sends more servants to the country-Side with same invitation.
• foreshadowed- Jesus Parable- Matt. 22
• Revealed- Revelations- Servants sent to the city, then Mt Zion (Sion), to receive Salvation & BE invited Guests.
• These invited Guests are Souls, Saved, spirits quickened, out of the Trib, primarily ISRAEL, Receive white robes. (Now saints).
• A guest is noticed, NOT in wedding clothing (white robe) Matt 22: 12,13
This one is cast to outer darkness. Appears it's Consequence, Darkness and Gnashing of teeth (still having LIFE in its soul, but separated from God).
• A soul having become Saved, but rejected coming to the wedding feast. They appear to be coming out of the Great Trib (reference to last portion of Trib., Gods Wrath), Saved soul, go up to Heaven, serve God night and Day Forever. (rev 17: 14,15) <--- Likely saved ISRAEL, that rejected Servants (2 Witnesses/Jerusalem; & 144,000/ Mt Zion) invitation during the Trib, to Wedding feast.

Matt 25:
Reveals everlasting punishment
Daniel 12:
Reveals Forever contempt
Rev 17
Reveals Saved and Forever serving God in Heaven
Matt 10
Reveals Body's & souls destroyed in hell
Matt 22
Reveals casting to outer darkness

Seems a definite differences of consequences for souls....and possibility of eternal outcome for souls....dependent upon what they Freely choose, while Alive in their Flesh.

Body's all will definitely die. A Body's LIFE is Blood, God told Adam, Eating from the Tree of Good and Evil, would result in his Death. Our curse carried forward, from the SEED of man.

•Forgiveness Offered through- Animal Blood- OT
Forward Offered through Jesus'- Blood- NT
(Forgiveness of Disbelief &Corrupting our souls)
•Promise to Restore/Save our Souls, take it, or Reject it...our option.
• take it- Receive Gift of Gods Seed- rebirths man's Natural spirit TO Forever Living Spiritual spirit. Death/ Darkness OVERCOME.
Live IN Christ- "Lord" resurrects, claims, at Rapture.
• Reject Offering...(and BY WHAT A MAN DOES DO) appears to determine the outcome of his soul...
(Take the beasts Mark;
(Reject invitation to Wedding Feast
(Sneak in Uninvited to Wedding Feast
(Encourage Others to Reject Christ
(Persecute Believers, BECAUSE, they ARE Believers)....
...Seems there maybe a difference in The outcome for "their souls".
... can only speculate; BY the difference terms IN Scripture, and speculate any "eternal punishment", would mean God leaves His Breath (Life) "in those particular souls".
It is the man that would Experience the torment ...(senses, seeing only darkness, feeling Torments of heat, Hearing the cries of anguish, knowing no relief...Forever separated from God).

Sorry, don't have my notes (more in detail) handy, going from study memory in Brief, may be slightly out of exact Order.
Every man is given Freewill, and every man will be accountable for what he Accepts and Rejects AND Choices he MAKES because of things he rejects.

Totally agree- a man who "simply Rejects" Gods Offering OF Forgiveness and Salvation-
(That man Never receives a reborn ever-Living spirit.)
The blood of his life is naturally dead-
LIFE of his soul is Gods Breath- and returns to God.
Remaining is a lifeless body, lifeless Natural spirit, lifeless soul...that is destroyed and forgotten...
feels nothing, knows nothing.
(There is no Torments without a LIFE source to experience the Torments)
That ^ is Gods MERCY upon this "catagory" for lack of a better term, Unsaved Soul.

Don't find Gods mercy upon The other aforementioned souls.

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Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
That doesn't say hell is on earth.
 

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Over the course of this thread I have given you several explanations of how those verses you have been quoting can be understood in light of other scriptures differently to the way you currently hold. Yet not once have you refuted the many scriptures (see post #262) that clearly and unequivocally reveal a different paradigm altogether. I offer you just two for now, and I ask, what do you do with these, one of which is particularly well known and quoted by heart by millions, (but who don't actually believe it) which so obviously support the concept of final destruction for the wicked?
KJV Psalm 92:7
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever...
KJV Matthew 7:13
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.

There is no way of harmonizing these scriptures when cleaving to the false idea of eternal torment.
OT does not overrule NT. Not to Christians anyway.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 (NKJV)
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

Everlasting destruction, a process that will never end.
 
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---BEASTS---

Beasts-

Dan 7,8,9
World Empires- past and foretold future
...Lion- wings of an eagle
...Bear- 3 Rib's like teeth
...Leopard- 4 birdlike wings, 4 heads
...Bronze claws, large teeth, 10 horns, 4 smaller horns, 3 subdued, 1 Evil rises to Power.
Rev 13
World Nations Coalition Powers-

The animal names- are relevant- as All Nations have governing powers and most all have national Animals.

The particular Animals- Large claws, Large Teeth, Bronze ... reveal strength/Power...of Nations.

The horns- are relevant as Seats of Nations Powers and Authority to use their Powers.

The horns also reveal- one overpowering/ (Force) and subduing (relenting agreement to be controlled).

Rev 13
Reveals the establishing of the coalition of Nations-
WHAT rises in power- WHAT is subdued- WHAT is Controlled- WHO is seated HEAD over the coalition of Nations- wHAT the Head Does and for How Long.

Nations- prominate now;
•UK- animal
...Lion
•Singapore (Subject to China)
...Lion
•Russia- animal
...Bear, mythical 2 headed Eagle
•Afghanistan-Iran-Pakistan-Somalia-Rwanda
...Leopard
•China
...Dragon
•US
...Eagle bird
...Bison mammal
•ISRAEL
...no "animal perse"
...national bird- "hoopoe"

(Some smaller nations have Same national animals, with lesser power)

•National "coalition" pre-planned for years- now on Descussion-Accepting-Voting table:
•Perpetuated VIA- World Economic Forum
Called "Great Re-Set".
•Table- United Nations
• Already Agreeing-
Major Nations - with Power & Authority
• Rejecting- Trump on behalf of US.
Already said No.
• Voting- will not proceed Until US "Agrees"


Hope of Dems is Biden win to give OK for US to agree with Global powers.

Speculating: Rev 13 appears as Ruling Power head out of country with named Animals, depending on Vote, of participating UN members. Nearly all nations are Members...(Vatican City/ not a member)
Rev: 13.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a •leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a •bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a •lion: and the •dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

(dragon), (mythical creature, animal of China), also reference to Satan)

Glory to God,
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Imagine again walking over on top of all those under our feet in the Earth hell resting place.
Such a happy place knowing maybe some of those close to us is down there screaming for the rest of our life.
But.....something not right about this.
Will there really be a new earth where no more pain exist anywhere ?

Body's will not be under your feet.
Body's will be Risen up in glory (Saved)... or remaing on Earth will be in hells pit, deepest part/ center of earth hell, burned up.

New Earth and New Heaven...are really a reconstruction. (The Earth itself never passes away). The Earth was called destroyed from the flood, but yet the Earth remained.
New Earth, totally uncorrupted, Risen body's totally uncorrupted. No - disease, pain, sorrow, anguish, death, male & female, marriages, sex.



Glory to God,
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I thought this might an interesting topic.

Hell: The worst prison that ever existed, with the worst beings who ever lived!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 8:12 (NKJV)
12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness.

Imagine being in darkness for eternity! YIKES! Scares me!

There will be BILLIONS in Hell who don't believe in Hell.
 

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---BEASTS---

Beasts-

Dan 7,8,9
World Empires- past and foretold future
...Lion- wings of an eagle
...Bear- 3 Rob's units teeth
...Leopard- 4 birdlike wings, 4 heads
...Bronze claws, large teeth, 10 horns, 4 smaller horns, 3 subdued, 1 Evil rises to Power.
Rev 13
World Nations Coalition Powers-

The animal names- are relevant- as All Nations have governing powers and most all have national Animals.

The particular Animals- Large claws, Large Teeth, Bronze ... reveal strength/Power...of Nations.

The horns- are relevant as Seats of Nations Powers and Authority to use their Powers.

The horns also reveal- one overpowering/ (Force) and subduing (relenting agreement to be controlled).

Rev 13
Reveals the establishing of the coalition of Nations-
WHAT rises in power- WHAT is subdued- WHAT is Controlled- WHO is seated HEAD over the coalition of Nations- wHAT the Head Does and for How Long.

Nations- prominate now;
•UK- animal
...Lion
•Singapore (Subject to China)
...Lion
•Russia- animal
...Bear, mythical 2 headed Eagle
•Afghanistan-Iran-Pakistan-Somalia-Rwanda
...Leopard
•China
...Dragon
•US
...Eagle bird
...Bison mammal
•ISRAEL
...no "animal perse"
...national bird- "hoopoe"

(Some smaller nations have Same national animals, with lesser power)

•National "coalition" pre-planned for years- now on Descussion-Accepting-Voting table:
•Perpetuated VIA- World Economic Forum
Called "Great Re-Set".
•Table- United Nations
• Already Agreeing-
Major Nations - with Power & Authority
• Rejecting- Trump on behalf of US.
• Voting- will not proceed Until US "Agrees"

Hope of Dems is Biden win to give OK for US to agree with Global powers.

Speculating: Rev 13 appears as Ruling Power head out of country with named Animals, depending on Vote, of participating UN members. Nearly all nations are Members...(Vatican City/ not a member)
Rev: 13.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

(dragon), (mythical creature, animal of China), also reference to Satan)


Glory to God,
Taken