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Wakka

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I asked a friend about Orthodoxy, specifically the difference between it and Catholicism and this is what I got.

There is much that could be said about this topic. There are several differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Some are superficial or based on differences in regional and national cultures. Others are significant religious disagreements. In my opinion, there are two differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy which are most important: the filioque and papal authority.

The filioque is a statement in the Nicene Creed. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque) As you know, the Nicene Creed is a summary of Christian beliefs that has been used by the Church in most of its jurisdictions since it was written in 325 A.D. It was written at a council of all the Church's bishops, and it was amended to include discussion of the Holy Spirit by a later church council. Otherwise, the Creed was not to be changed; it was to remain a standard for Church teachings and use. Later, however, starting in Spain and then in Germany, some regional churches added a word to the Creed: "filioque." It is Latin and it means "and from the Son." It is a change in the teaching about the Holy Spirit. The original teaching is that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father -- alone. (This comes from John 15:26) The change says that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father and the Son (This comes from John 20:22 and other verses.) The filioque is not only about theology; it is also about spirituality. The filioque tends to de-emphasize the Holy Spirit as a Person of the Trinity -- it tends to make the Holy Spirit into a kind of by-product of Divine Love between the Father and the Son-- and therefore the filioque tends to deemphasize devotion to the Holy Spirit as well. Historically, the filioque was accepted by the Catholic Church eventually. The Orthodox Church, however, consistently has rejected it. Numerous attempts have been made over time to resolve the dispute theologically, but they have not succeeded because the issue is to solely about theology.

The dispute is also --and perhaps mostly-- about papal authority. The filioque was ultimately approved in the Catholic Church by the papacy acting by itself. The Bishop of Rome has long been recognized as the first among equals of bishops in the Church. The disagreement is over how much authority that status has. The Catholic Church regards the Papacy as the supreme authority in the Church after Christ Himself. Therefore, the Catholic Church sees nothing wrong with the papacy changing the language of the Creed. The Orthodox Church, however, views the papacy more as a figurehead position, and it views the Tradition of the Church (which includes the Bible and certain church councils) as the highest authority in the Church after Christ Himself). One result is in organization. The Catholic Church is centrally organized around the Bishop of Rome, but the Orthodox Church is locally and nationally organized around local and national bishops. Another result is about beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church can (and has) changed its teachings (such as the filioque, Marian dogmas, papal infallibility) and its practices (for example, the Mass and devotions) according to the orders of the papacy; but the Orthodox Church is very conservative and reluctant to change except by conciliar agreement among Orthodox bishops and people.

To summarize: The main, underlying differences between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church are about theology and authority in the Church. The Catholic Church has accepted the filioque on the basis of papal authority and teaching. The Orthodox Church has rejected the filioque as being against the consensus of Orthodox people and tradition. There are many surface differences too, in custom and culture. Yet, the basic difference is in different ways of understanding God and our relationship to Him.
 

fivesense

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I asked a friend about Orthodoxy, specifically the difference between it and Catholicism and this is what I got.

I like this summary alot. I have eastern European associates who are Orthodox, and Roman Catholic family members. The information you have here and the insights are topnotch. Thank you

As forms of religion based upon what Christ taught on the Mount of Olives, I would have to give the Eastern O. a '6' or a '6.5', and I would have to give the Roman Church a 4.5 or a little better. The influence over the masses that these to organizations have had to keep morality in check and government in line is inestimable. The world is better for their appearing, notwithstanding occasional dark periods of excesses by Papal authorities.

Many of them will make fine servants to the saints of Israel when the Lion of Judah returns to Jerusalem and establishes His throne. Most of them will have much to teach the apostate Jews who will be wailing and gnashing their teeth, having been cast out into the outer darkness alongside the nations, unable to enjoy the glorious and dazzlingly bright Holy City with the rest of the Tribes of Israel.

In a way, I wish I were a part of the Kingdom of the Son of Mankind, because physically we will never enjoy the soulish and fleshly excitement of it all. Our allotment with Him in the heavens, as deathless beings will be the greater portion, but still all that buzzing and activity and growth and justice. Man, what a day the Day of the Lord will be. A thousand years of earthly delights with the Son of Man on His throne.
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Templar81

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"Et in Spiritum Sanctum Dominum vivificantem, qui patris et fillioque proecedit et qui cum patris et fillio simul adoratur et conglorificatur."

A couple of years ago I went to an Antiochan Orthodox Divine Liturgy, it was the most beautiful and uplifting Church service I have ever attended. Afterwards i spoke to the Priest and mentioned that I was learning the Niceane Creed in English adn Latin off by ehart. He said that it was good because all orthodox Christians can do it (most Anglicans can't sadly), but Orthodox Christians do everything from memory so that when they pray they can concentrate on God instead of reading off a sheet. Since then I elarn't off by heart the whole Common Worship Order 1 Communion Service. He told me that it was good that I was learning this text but to remember that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father not the Father then the Son. My Parish Priest thinks the Orthodox churches are in error about this. Anyway I was speaking to one of my Church's previous encbants who is very old now and married to a Greek woman who converted to Anglicanism. He told me that there is nothign wrong with the way the Orthodox Churches ommit the fillioque because the Holy Spirirt comes from the Father through the Son.
 

TallMan

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I asked a friend about Orthodoxy, specifically the difference between it and Catholicism and this is what I got.
Beware: what calls itself "orthodox" usually isn't.

Definition of orthodox: of, pertaining to, or conforming to the approved form of any doctrine, philosophy, ideology, etc.

- approved by who?

God approved his gospel with specific signs wonders and miracles.
AD33 (Pentecost - Acts 2) shows Jesus setting up the church he will soon return for.
All received the infilling of His Spirit, and knew it, God baring witness with speaking in tongues, Peter identified this, all the apostles later preached it. The gentiles got the same creating true unity.

Any person or organisation presenting an alternative is unorthodox, dissentient, heretical, heterodox, iconoclastic, nonconforming (to God).
Such have in fact rejected Jesus Christ and will be rejected by him, unless of course they accept correction.

He knows that some people know no better, so he sends faithful ministers out to tell people so they don't miss out on what God is doing now and in the future.