What is the mystery?

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

DPMartin

Well-Known Member
Jan 30, 2014
2,698
794
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
What is the mystery? Shouldn’t be the purpose, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. It has to be the purpose, because there is the existence of life being lived and that is a purpose in and of itself. You have to have reason to live correct? Even if its self-indulgent such as getting the next fix of an oxi. Or satisfaction of the flesh like eating.


Isn’t the bible all about, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists, as in the Lord God is the reason in the case of Israelites and the Lord their God?


And isn’t science and or religion about, or used as, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.


And men do and live according to their beliefs of, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists as in what they trust to be true. And act according to what they fear whether it be the judgement of God or men. Even Cain had no problem with not being with God, and expressed his fear of men’s judgement to God that God might do something about it. Hence he could not bear it seeing men would kill him on sight.


(to be clear, fear of God’s Judgment is simply knowing and walking in what is God’s Judgements of what is good and evil for you, just as many do the same in the case of men for fear of what men write as law as to what is good and evil for their societies.) one could not fear the law as long as no one knows it that would enforce the law, hence fear of men not law.


Anyway, its more of a food for thought then anything here, but the argument in sites like this and many others is what is the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. Hence that is the mystery, of which one needs the info from the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists, or it remains a mystery. The evidence is there for sure, just like a murder mystery but what the reason for which something is done.
 

ChristisGod

Well-Known Member
Aug 15, 2020
6,908
3,859
113
64
California
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Isaiah 43:7 - [Even] every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:28 - And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Isaiah 43:21 - This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.

Colossians 1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Revelation 4:11 - Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

What Mystery ?

hope this helps !!!
 

historyb

Well-Known Member
Mar 10, 2011
2,990
2,701
113
52
in a house
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Anyway, its more of a food for thought then anything here, but the argument in sites like this and many others is what is the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. Hence that is the mystery, of which one needs the info from the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists, or it remains a mystery. The evidence is there for sure, just like a murder mystery but what the reason for which something is done.

Very western thinking, in the east a mystery like the Real Presence, the Trinity, etc doesn't need explanation faith is enough.

An Eastern Christian conversation:

How does God do this or that?
We don't know we accept in faith and go on.

An Western Christian conversation:
How does God do this or that?
We must figure it out at all cost
 

DNB

Well-Known Member
Dec 8, 2019
4,199
1,370
113
Toronto
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
What is the mystery? Shouldn’t be the purpose, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. It has to be the purpose, because there is the existence of life being lived and that is a purpose in and of itself. You have to have reason to live correct? Even if its self-indulgent such as getting the next fix of an oxi. Or satisfaction of the flesh like eating.


Isn’t the bible all about, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists, as in the Lord God is the reason in the case of Israelites and the Lord their God?


And isn’t science and or religion about, or used as, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.


And men do and live according to their beliefs of, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists as in what they trust to be true. And act according to what they fear whether it be the judgement of God or men. Even Cain had no problem with not being with God, and expressed his fear of men’s judgement to God that God might do something about it. Hence he could not bear it seeing men would kill him on sight.


(to be clear, fear of God’s Judgment is simply knowing and walking in what is God’s Judgements of what is good and evil for you, just as many do the same in the case of men for fear of what men write as law as to what is good and evil for their societies.) one could not fear the law as long as no one knows it that would enforce the law, hence fear of men not law.


Anyway, its more of a food for thought then anything here, but the argument in sites like this and many others is what is the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. Hence that is the mystery, of which one needs the info from the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists, or it remains a mystery. The evidence is there for sure, just like a murder mystery but what the reason for which something is done.
What is the reason for which you started this OP, or why it was done, or why it was created for which it exists?
 

DNB

Well-Known Member
Dec 8, 2019
4,199
1,370
113
Toronto
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
Very western thinking, in the east a mystery like the Real Presence, the Trinity, etc doesn't need explanation faith is enough.

An Eastern Christian conversation:

How does God do this or that?
We don't know we accept in faith and go on.

An Western Christian conversation:
How does God do this or that?
We must figure it out at all cost
Faith is derived from wisdom and comprehension, not credulity nor frivolity. That is why God implemented it as the means towards salvation, for it brings glory to both the beholder of faith, and to the object of the faith. Gullibility or recklessness does neither.
 

Randy Kluth

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2020
7,760
2,420
113
Pacific NW
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
To some extent it does seem mysterious, but not in the biblical sense. The Bible assumes God's Word exists to explain our life and meaning. Due to the Fall, we do not see clearly--hence, it appears to be a mystery. For example, way back in the 60s was a great song by Chicago "Question 67 and 68." It is a form of agnosticism, and presents what appears to be a "mysterious thing."
 
  • Like
Reactions: ChristisGod

Doug

Well-Known Member
Apr 29, 2018
1,452
327
83
south
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
What is the mystery? Shouldn’t be the purpose, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. It has to be the purpose, because there is the existence of life being lived and that is a purpose in and of itself. You have to have reason to live correct? Even if its self-indulgent such as getting the next fix of an oxi. Or satisfaction of the flesh like eating.


Isn’t the bible all about, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists, as in the Lord God is the reason in the case of Israelites and the Lord their God?


And isn’t science and or religion about, or used as, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.


And men do and live according to their beliefs of, the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists as in what they trust to be true. And act according to what they fear whether it be the judgement of God or men. Even Cain had no problem with not being with God, and expressed his fear of men’s judgement to God that God might do something about it. Hence he could not bear it seeing men would kill him on sight.


(to be clear, fear of God’s Judgment is simply knowing and walking in what is God’s Judgements of what is good and evil for you, just as many do the same in the case of men for fear of what men write as law as to what is good and evil for their societies.) one could not fear the law as long as no one knows it that would enforce the law, hence fear of men not law.


Anyway, its more of a food for thought then anything here, but the argument in sites like this and many others is what is the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. Hence that is the mystery, of which one needs the info from the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists, or it remains a mystery. The evidence is there for sure, just like a murder mystery but what the reason for which something is done.

The mystery given Paul is the gospel that by faith in Christ and his redemption and propitiation for our sins, we can be justified freely by grace apart from Israel (Romans 3:21-25) and the formation of one new man, the church, the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27 Ephesians 2:15-16).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Prayer Warrior

ChristisGod

Well-Known Member
Aug 15, 2020
6,908
3,859
113
64
California
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
To some extent it does seem mysterious, but not in the biblical sense. The Bible assumes God's Word exists to explain our life and meaning. Due to the Fall, we do not see clearly--hence, it appears to be a mystery. For example, way back in the 60s was a great song by Chicago "Question 67 and 68." It is a form of agnosticism, and presents what appears to be a "mysterious thing."
One of my favorite groups back in the day.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Randy Kluth

Prayer Warrior

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2018
5,789
5,776
113
U.S.A.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Very western thinking, in the east a mystery like the Real Presence, the Trinity, etc doesn't need explanation faith is enough.

An Eastern Christian conversation:

How does God do this or that?
We don't know we accept in faith and go on.

An Western Christian conversation:
How does God do this or that?
We must figure it out at all cost
Interesting observation!
 

Prayer Warrior

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2018
5,789
5,776
113
U.S.A.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The mystery given Paul is the gospel that by faith in Christ and his redemption and propitiation for our sins, we can be justified freely by grace apart from Israel (Romans 3:21-25) and the formation of one new man, the church, the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27 Ephesians 2:15-16).
Exactly! The mystery has been solved through Christ!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Doug

Prayer Warrior

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2018
5,789
5,776
113
U.S.A.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
To some extent it does seem mysterious, but not in the biblical sense. The Bible assumes God's Word exists to explain our life and meaning. Due to the Fall, we do not see clearly--hence, it appears to be a mystery. For example, way back in the 60s was a great song by Chicago "Question 67 and 68." It is a form of agnosticism, and presents what appears to be a "mysterious thing."

I don't remember that song by Chicago. I'll have to look it up.
 

Randy Kluth

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2020
7,760
2,420
113
Pacific NW
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I don't remember that song by Chicago. I'll have to look it up.

It's not like I'm promoting secularism, but my brother was in a band way back when, and played Chicago music. I grew up with music--my Dad was also a musician part time. youtube questions 67 and 68 - Bing video

Questions 67 and 68
Chicago
Can this feeling that we have together
Ooh, suddenly exist between
Did this meeting of our minds together
Ooh, happen just today, somewhere
I'd like to know,
Can you tell me, please don't tell me
It really doesn't matter anyhow
It's just that the thought of us so happy
Appears in my mind, as a beautifully mysterious thing, well, yeah, yeah

Was your image in my mind so deeply, ooh
Ooh, other faces fade away
Blocking memories of unhappy hours
Ooh, leavin' just a burnin' love
I'd like to know
Can you tell me, please don't tell me
It really doesn't matter anyhow
It's just that the thought of us so happy
Appears in my mind, as a beautifully mysterious thing
Yes it does now, baby

Can this lovin' we have found within us
Ooh, suddenly exist between
Did we somehow try to make it happen
Ooh, was it just a natural thing
I'd like to know
Can you tell me, please don't tell me
It really doesn't matter anyhow
It's just that the thought of us so happy
Appears in my mind, as a beautifully mysterious thing
Yes it does now, baby
Questions 67 and 68
 

Davy

Well-Known Member
Feb 11, 2018
11,694
2,521
113
Southeastern U.S.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Apostle Paul used the word mystery 20 times in his New Testament Epistles. So there's more than one mystery he spoke of. Most of the ideas about mystery he spoke of involved God's Salvation Plan through His Son, manifested in stages. It's where men's ideas of dispensationalism comes from (which I do not disagree with totally).

But men's doctrines of Dispensationalism often stray about it, and add to the Scriptures, trying to say there is TWO GOSPELS, when there is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ written of, but two different administrations of that same Gospel.

Gal 2:7-8
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
KJV


Paul is showing the ONE Gospel in two different apostleships, Peter sent to the Jews to preach, and Paul sent to the Gentiles to preach. That is not about 2 different gospels, which is men's doctrine. It is about the ONE Gospel among two stewardships.

The reason why Dispensationalists like Darby, et al, came up with the false two gospel idea, is so they could try and create a false separation between Israel and Christ's Church. Their particular idea on that was to serve the false pre-trib rapture. That idea says the Church is raptured to Heaven prior to the trib, while Israel remains on earth to suffer through it, and then the Church stays in Heaven ruling with Jesus after the trib, with Israel restored as a nation on earth. That idea of course is false, for God's Word reveals Jesus comes to gather His Church after... the tribulation, and will reign with His saints on earth from Jerusalem (Matthew 24:29-31; Zechariah 14).
 

DPMartin

Well-Known Member
Jan 30, 2014
2,698
794
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Very western thinking, in the east a mystery like the Real Presence, the Trinity, etc doesn't need explanation faith is enough.

An Eastern Christian conversation:

How does God do this or that?
We don't know we accept in faith and go on.

An Western Christian conversation:
How does God do this or that?
We must figure it out at all cost

faith isn't "blind" like most religious preach. you go by what you know, not what you don't know. and revelation is to come to know, hence experience is to know. one trusts the Lord God's Word because one knows Lord God to be worthy of one's trust which would via experience with the Lord their God.

and if you don't know the Lord God then one trusts the word of who? some one who said what God said and told you what to think of it like the serpent did at the tree? or worse no Word of God at all?