Hell Fire

BARNEY BRIGHT · Oct 19, 2020

kcnalp said:
So you will "cease to exist". Bye bye. And there won't be anyone in Heaven. "Death means, cease to exist" is insane!

So it seems that all you who reject eternal Hell fire also do not fear God.

Proverbs 1:7 (NKJV)
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

The fear of God is healthful; it is an awe and a profound reverence for the Creator and a wholesome dread of displeasing him. This fear of incurring his displeasure is a result of appreciation of his loving-kindness and goodness together with the realization that he is the Supreme Judge and the Almighty, who has the power to inflict punishment or death upon those who disobey him.

What all of this means is that those who love the True God have faith in the truth of the scriptures. Just because I don't believe as you do doesn't mean I don't fear the True God. I could honestly say you don't fear the True God because of the way you choose to reason on the scriptures.

Bible_Gazer · Oct 19, 2020

Bible_Gazer said: ↑
What keeps a hell bound sinner alive eternally ?
Did Jesus give them life also ?
I thought life was a gift for the righteous.

kcnalp said:
Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

So did or will Jesus give them eternal life.
What is the gift of eternal life. Romans 6:23

Bible_Gazer · Oct 19, 2020

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Now what is the difference here ?

Bible_Gazer · Oct 19, 2020

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Is this not talking about the devil himself ?
Could it be saying he is going to be tormented before he dies.
Rev.12 mention that he knew his days was coming.
He seem to know some scriptures, since he quoted some to Jesus in the wilderness.
So how long has the devil been around, seem like forever ?
Will the next 1,000 years seem like forever to get something done ?
God's name was to be on Solomon's temple forever, its was till it was destroyed. ?

Butch5 · Oct 19, 2020

kcnalp said:
You're a Greek and Hebrew expert? Stop trying to rewrite our Bible.

I showed it to you in English. Maybe you study the Scriptures instead of parroting what you hear.

Butch5 · Oct 19, 2020

kcnalp said:
Deflecting? Like you just did?

Do you fear God? God said those who don't fear Him are "fools".

Again, you didnt address the issue.

Butch5 · Oct 19, 2020

kcnalp said:
So, Jesus didn't really promise you salvation? It was just a parable?

It shows that the story is actually a parable and not a literal event.

Butch5 · Oct 19, 2020

Taken said:
No.

Post #361
It's a description of Hell at the time Jesus was on Earth.
Saved & unsaved Living souls (of body's dead & buried.),
Tells us about souls abilities out of Body; speaking, Hearing, feeling, taste, seeing.

One of the things about Jesus' parable (His Doctrine), is to reveal things NOT before Known.

Aren't bodies dead and buried, the dead? So you said it's about what happens to the dead.

However, you failed to show how that fits the context of what is written. Pulling the passage from its context and imposing on it doesn't prove your understanding is correct. There's a reason Jesus spoke of the Unjust Steward just before this parable. There's a reason Jesus said, he who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery. There's a reason He said, the Law and the prophets were until John. What is that reason?

What does the parable of the Unjust Steward have to do with the dead? What does commiting adiltery have to do with the dead? What does, 'the Law and the prophets were until John', have to do with the dead? This is the context of the passage. I'd really like to see how you fit your understanding into this context.

You see, my understanding, the one you rejected easily puts this parable into that context. It easily fits with why Jesus said, he who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery and it fits with the context of, the Law and the prophets were until John.

Taken · Oct 19, 2020

Butch5 said:
@Taken
You claimed that the parable was about what happens to the dead.

No, I Notified you, Dead Body's are Buried.
I was speaking Specifically of LIVING SOULS.

It's easily proven. Gen 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.1 (Gen. 2:7 KJV)

Perhaps you could clarify your position on this Verse...(Gen 2:7) Beginning with 7a.

God Formed man from Dust-
What do you believe was Form(ED) from Dust?
• My answer-
A BODY.

What do you believe Dust of the Ground is?
• My Answer-
Surface, Face of the Earth, which the Earth IS Dry Land.

What do believe IS The Condition of the Thing God Formed from Dust?
Living? Dead? Neither?
• My Answer- Neither

The FORMED thing...is a Body.
The FORMED thing...is Called a Man.
A Man IS and HAS a BODY.

The Man's BODY came FROM Dust.
The Man's BODY Returns TO Dust.

Taken · Oct 19, 2020

Butch5 said:
It shows that the story is actually a parable and not a literal event.

What is your Point?
Jesus' Parables are NOT Literal?
They ARE MADE up Stories? They are Not All True Literal Words Spoken by Jesus?

Taken · Oct 19, 2020

Butch5 said:
Aren't bodies dead and buried, the dead? So you said it's about what happens to the dead.

However, you failed to show how that fits the context of what is written. Pulling the passage from its context and imposing on it doesn't prove your understanding is correct. There's a reason Jesus spoke of the Unjust Steward just before this parable. There's a reason Jesus said, he who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery. There's a reason He said, the Law and the prophets were until John. What is that reason?

What does the parable of the Unjust Steward have to do with the dead? What does commiting adiltery have to do with the dead? What does, 'the Law and the prophets were until John', have to do with the dead? This is the context of the passage. I'd really like to see how you fit your understanding into this context.

You see, my understanding, the one you rejected easily puts this parable into that context. It easily fits with why Jesus said, he who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery and it fits with the context of, the Law and the prophets were until John.

Before going on to other topics ...go through Gen 2:7 with me Point by point. Eh?

Butch5 · Oct 19, 2020

Taken said:
No, I Notified you, Dead Body's are Buried.
I was speaking Specifically of LIVING SOULS.

Perhaps you could clarify your position on this Verse...(Gen 2:7) Beginning with 7a.

God Formed man from Dust-
What do you believe was Form(ED) from Dust?
• My answer-
A BODY.

What do you believe Dust of the Ground is?
• My Answer-
Surface, Face of the Earth, which the Earth IS Dry Land.

What do believe IS The Condition of the Thing God Formed from Dust?
Living? Dead? Neither?
• My Answer- Neither

The FORMED thing...is a Body.
The FORMED thing...is Called a Man.
A Man IS and HAS a BODY.

The Man's BODY came FROM Dust.
The Man's BODY Returns TO Dust.

A dead body is a dead soul. A soul requires a body. The body was formed from the dust. The ground is the elements of the earth. Before God breathed into the body He created it was neither alive nor dead.

Agreed, the thing formed is a body, is called man. Man is the body animated by the breath or spirit of God.

Butch5 · Oct 19, 2020

Taken said:
What is your Point?
Jesus' Parables are NOT Literal?
They ARE MADE up Stories? They are Not All True Literal Words Spoken by Jesus?

My point is that Lazarus and the Rich Man is not what literally happens to the dead.

Butch5 · Oct 19, 2020

Taken said:
Before going on to other topics ...go through Gen 2:7 with me Point by point. Eh?

I did above. The key to Gen. 2:7 is that the man, the body "became" a living soul after God breathed into it. Thus a living soul requires a body. The words translated soul in the Bible, Nephesh and Psuche, are used two ways. They are used concretely of a living being and abstractly as life. These words are often translated as life in the Scriptures. One of the reasons there is so much confusion over this word is because translators use so many different English words to translate it. If they would just translate it "soul" everywhere it appears in the Bible the reader would get a much better sense of what the word means and how the Bible uses it. By using different English words the translators are interpreting the passage for you instead of letting you interpret it.

kcnalp · Oct 19, 2020

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
I could honestly say you don't fear the True God because of the way you choose to reason on the scriptures.

If you really feared God you would believe what He said and stop telling people there is no "eternal fire" that Jesus warned us about.
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

kcnalp · Oct 19, 2020

Bible_Gazer said:
Bible_Gazer said: ↑
What keeps a hell bound sinner alive eternally ?
Did Jesus give them life also ?
I thought life was a gift for the righteous.

So did or will Jesus give them eternal life.
What is the gift of eternal life. Romans 6:23

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

kcnalp · Oct 19, 2020

Butch5 said:
It shows that the story is actually a parable and not a literal event.

So you're saying EVERYTHING Jesus said was only a parable, including the promises of salvation? Make up your mind.

kcnalp · Oct 19, 2020

Butch5 said:
My point is that Lazarus and the Rich Man is not what literally happens to the dead.

So Jesus lied? It's quite agreeable with the rest of Jesus' teachings.

Jude 1:6 (NKJV)
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

BARNEY BRIGHT · Oct 19, 2020

kcnalp said:
If you really feared God you would believe what He said and stop telling people there is no "eternal fire" that Jesus warned us about.
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

I'm not going to teach people to be unfaithful like you.

Taken · Oct 19, 2020

Butch5 said:
I did above. The key to Gen. 2:7 is that the man, the body "became" a living soul after God breathed into it. Thus a living soul requires a body.

Just the Opposite.
A BODY requires A LIFE source, to Become A Living Body.

The BODY is the Form.
It was neither ALIVE or Dead.
Until-
God Blew a LIFE Source INTO the Body.

The LIFE is Gods Breath.
The SOUL is What Gods Breath is IN.
And thus called A "LIVING SOUL".

The Breath of God IS LIFE.
Gods LIFE Belongs TO God.
All SOULS Belong TO God.

A Body is NOT A Soul.

Man IS a Body and Living Soul.
The Sources are Not the Same.
Body - source - Dust - LIFE - BLOOD
Soul - source - God - LIFE - Gods Breath

"One Man"- Name- ADAM-
Body- Name- ADAM
Living Soul- Name-ADAM

The Soul, The LIFE IN the Soul...DID NOT come from Dust. It belongs to God.
It is Called "your" soul- Because it is iN your Body....and HAS Your same "Name" as your Body.

Your BODY is sentenced/Appointed TO DIE.
You can KILL a Body.

Your Soul and it's LIFE, is NOT yours.
You can NOT Kill a SOUL.

Matt 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

God "Imparted" a soul IN a Body.
THAT Soul Has Gods Life in it.
THAT Soul and LIFE......does Not Die, because the Body Dies.

THAT Soul is Alive, with Gods Life...
And "DEPARTS" the Dying Body.
The BODY is Buried.

THAT Living Soul...
Becomes...with or Without Gods Presence.
Escorted to Gods Presence BY Gods Angel's, and Waits in Comfort and Rest, For Jusdement Day....<--- That Living Soul is called A Restored and Saved Soul.
Or
SENT to Hell, away from Gods Presence, waiting in discomfort (Torments), For Judgement Day. <--- That Living Soul is. Called a Corrupt Unsaved Soul.

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