Nobody is “ Worthy” to go to Heaven—— We are “ MADE WORTHY” by the Blood Of The Lamb.....Simply Believe that.....Rest in that Alone , and you are “ Fit for Heaven”.....
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Nobody is “ Worthy” to go to Heaven—— We are “ MADE WORTHY” by the Blood Of The Lamb.....Simply Believe that.....Rest in that Alone , and you are “ Fit for Heaven”.....
Indeed...the blood of Jesus sanctifies us in the practical sense (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).
So, if we are "made worthy" then once this has been accomplished we are in fact "Worthy" to go to heaven...even as can be determined from Revelation 3:4.
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Jesus said, not once, but twice, in the same discourse, I tell you, Nay; but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:1-5)
Earburner
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I agree! The discerning factor for any born again christian, who professes that Christ is their Savior ONLY, understands that it is NOT by any of our good works that we are saved.
Romans 7:18
John 3:18
Romans 8:8-9
Earburner
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From the Textus Receptus Greek text (KJV), there are two words for repentance:
Metanoia
Metanoeo
God the Father is looking for us to perform our repentance in the form of Metanoia, through Jesus, which is our conversion.
Unfortunately many spurious bible versions (from Westcott/Hort Greek text), do not discern the difference between the two forms of repentance.
Metanoia is repentance torwards God.
Metanoeo is repentence from sin.
So then the reality is, just because a person repents from sin, that does not mean they repented towards God.
IOWS, repentance from sin IS NOT salvation, but repentance towards God IS salvation.
ChristisGod
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Yes as we read below the difference between the sorrow of the world and the genuine sorrow towards God.
2 Corinthians 7:9-10
9 And now I rejoice, not because you were made sorrowful, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you felt the sorrow that God had intended, and so were not harmed in any way by us. 10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
Earburner
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And thats the problem with most professing christians!! They came to Jesus in repentance, to be made clean (holy) through the blood of His sacrifice, but they never invited Him (His Holy Spirit) to come INTO their lives. Luke 11:9-13 and Revelation 3:20.
And because they have "neglected" the GIFT of His Salvation, they remain to be "None of His". Romans 8:8-9, a member of the "Five virgins", of which Jesus says "I never knew you".
Earburner
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Oh my, I feel so sorry for you! What kind of church are you going to anyway. Don't they know the difference between life before Christ with a sin nature, and after we are born again with a new nature that partakes of the divine nature of God?
Unfortunately, I can't think of a denomination, except some Methodists, that can teach you the truth.
First off , 1 John 1:8 is the same as Paul's "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." That is why Jesus came! To take away that sin nature. You need to read 1 John 1:8 in context with 1 John 1:9. I like the Good News For Modern Man translation. I think even you with your denomination's mistranslation can see that vs. 8 is what we are born with, Romans 7:13, and 9 is how to become a Christian.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and there is no truth in us. 9 But if we confess our sins to God, he will keep his promise and do what is right: he will forgive us our sins and purify us from all our wrongdoing.
And just note that vs. 10 is someone who says they were BORN without sin. Do you know any Christian that can say that? No! So why do people say verses 6 and 8 are about Christians. Dah! NO! Verse 8 is merely someone who sins, and says they don't, like the Pharisees. It is not someone who vs. 9 has been cleansed of all unrighteousness. 1 John 3:5.
And as for Romans 7:14, again, that is someone who is under the law, and does not have the Spirit to make you born again. The law is holy, but the sin nature we were born with makes a tug of war between knowing what is right, and the sin nature that opposes the law. Romans 8:2 the law of the SPIRIT of life in Christ has set me FREE FROM the law of sin and death. In other words, the Spirit sets uf free from that old sin nature. That is what it means to be born again.
Please read this a few times and try to grasp how powerful God is to recreate our nature.
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Someone who repents towards God, but does not repent away from sin, is not saved.
For the nature of salvation is that Jesus came to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21).
Therefore salvation is from sin; and if we are not saved from our sins, we are not saved.
A person is not saved from hell without first being saved from his sins.
We are saved from hell because the reason why we were going to hell, our sins, has been dealt with.
When it says in Psalms 103 that God has removed our sins from us as far as the east is from the west, He is talking about practical sins and not just the penalty for our sins.
1 John 3:9 tells us, whether it is hyperbole or not, that our lifestyle will change from being one of sinning when we become born again of the Holy Spirit.
If we abide in Christ we sin not (1 John 3:6) for ever (1 John 2:17).
Hi C,
Those weren't my fingers, but those of an old friend.
Can you give me some scriptures that say we have both a born again nature AND the old nature?
What I find interesting is the Corinthians came short in no gifts, just like in Matthew 7:21-23, and yet they weren't saved.
2 Corinthians 7:
8 For even if that letter of mine made you sad, I am not sorry I wrote it. I could have been sorry when I saw that it made you sad for a while. 9 But now I am happy—not because I made you sad, but because your sadness made you change your ways. That sadness was used by God, and so we caused you no harm. 10 For the sadness that is used by God brings a change of heart that leads to salvation
Abraham was way before the Law and way before Jesus. Of course, his righteousness was "imputed" because it is only through Jesus that mankind can ever really be truly righteous.
Jhn 3:6, That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
We have all been born of the flesh and therefore we are all made of flesh.
Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Don't forget, Romans 7:18 is BEFORE coming to Christ and filled with the Spirit, so naturally you will still have the sin nature then.
When I come to Christ and am filled with the Spirit, does this now mean that I was never born of the flesh?
Since i was born of the flesh, does this not mean that I am still made of flesh according to the verse in question?
Everyone is born of the flesh with a sin nature since Adam sinned, "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God - If we say we have never sinned, we lie and the truth is not in us." Those verses show that before we become born again in Christ we have all sinned. Paul uses the word flesh for two different meanings. One is our body, and the other is our nature. So Romans 8:9 shows us that we are not in our old carnal sinful nature/flesh when we are in the Spirit. Our nature of sin died on the cross with Jesus, and becomes born again with Christ's resurrection, Romans 6:1-7 and takes on immortality as it is part of our soul and spirit. But our body of flesh will still have to die before it can take on immortality.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
This is another reason why 1 John 1:8 and 10 are NOT about Christians, but are those BEFORE verse 9 of repenting and being cleansed of all sin. Those who are free from sin are called children of God, 1 John 3:1
So first our nature is freed from sin and becomes immortal, and then our body which will die because of Adam's sin, will then take on immortality when it is changed at the resurrection.
ChristisGod
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